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#1 RyuHayabusaX
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http://www.teslamotors.com/

No doubt, electric cars and hydrogen cars are the future. USA burns 400 million gallons a day, and each gallon releases 20 lbs of CO2, so this'll definitely make a huge difference. They're expensive now, but once they come down to $20,000, who wouldn't want one? A 3 hour charge (around $5) lets you go 250 miles, and hydrogen cars can be the car that you use for long roadtrips (you can't refuel an electric car quickly if the journey is over 250 miles). What do you guys think? Do you want an electric car and hydrogen car in your garage 10 years from now?

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Oh yeah. I'm not sure if they'll have a full infrastructure set up for hydrogen cars within 10 years, but I'd be interested in an electric car 10 years from now. But until then, I'm going to get a VW Golf. Then maybe an electric car after the Golf.
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what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

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#4 Iced_Earth_Rulz
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The first chance i get i'm getting a Tesla.
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what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

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Many plans for electric cars include a backup gasoline engine. For example, the Chevrolet Volt has an electric motor as the primary power source, but when that one runs out a gas engine will start running.
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#6 mlbslugger86
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

Luncbox1

Many plans for electric cars include a backup gasoline engine. For example, the Chevrolet Volt has an electric motor as the primary power source, but when that one runs out a gas engine will start running.

that might work, the prius is a crazy car, when you turn it on it makes no noise...its like a car a ninja would drive

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I would, definitely.
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what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

mlbslugger86
Well for one I haven't been paying $1000s on gas just to prepare for blackouts. If you asked me that question, I would propose for the government to spend billions to get solar panel efficiency to 80%(it's less than 40 right now) so that the world could be living off of a source that creates billions of times more energy in one second than the earth uses in one second. If you have solar panels, problem solved, no blackouts. I know you'll say it can get cloudy for a while, but that's the thing, the same lithium ion batteries that will store your car energy will be able to accumulate a lot of solar energy over weeks of sun time so when a sun drought comes, you'll be prepared. But yea did you also know that hydrogen cars can power your house? I would never be left with just an electric car, both electric and hydrogen probably.
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If they make manual transmissions for them.
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Which is greater - the decrease in my fuel bill, or the increase in my electric bill?

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no. besides the obvious like only 250 miles on a charge (roadtrip?) the power grid has trouble as it is. if a lot of people went electric, we'd have many more issues. plus they're still using electricity from mostly coal plants. where did you get that $5 figure? and right now, i believe the production of most H2 emits greenhouse gases (they make it from natural gas).
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#12 RyuHayabusaX
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[QUOTE="Luncbox1"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

mlbslugger86

Many plans for electric cars include a backup gasoline engine. For example, the Chevrolet Volt has an electric motor as the primary power source, but when that one runs out a gas engine will start running.

that might work, the prius is a crazy car, when you turn it on it makes no noise...its like a car a ninja would drive

Do you know high the electro magnetic radiation emissions of a prius are though? I don't know if they apply to Tesla, but yeah a Prius is a beast, I don't care how people think my car looks, as long as I get a clean ride, I'm fine.
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Which is greater - the decrease in my fuel bill, or the increase in my electric bill?

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Depends on the price of gas, but your typical fill up can be over $15 with today's prices, and the reason that oil countries are at peace now is because people aren't freaking out about $50 per fill up. Oil prices will eventually go back up if OPEC keeps cutting production, so I'd rather be using electricity ($5 for 250 miles) that's in my own country rather than some cheap liquid that greedy countries overprice.
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Whenever I hear about electric cars I think about massive extension cords plugged into wall sockets while people drive around getting the cords wrapped around things.
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#15 shoeman12
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Which is greater - the decrease in my fuel bill, or the increase in my electric bill?

RyuHayabusaX
Depends on the price of gas, but your typical fill up can be over $15 with today's prices, and the reason that oil countries are at peace now is because people aren't freaking out about $50 per fill up. Oil prices will eventually go back up if OPEC keeps cutting production, so I'd rather be using electricity ($5 for 250 miles) that's in my own country rather than some cheap liquid that greedy countries overprice.

again, can you link to where you got that $5 figure?
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Well they don't actually get you anywhere near that distance, top gear had one on thier test track and managed to empty 2 cars completely in one day on a 2 mile circuit
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I would for sure.

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no. besides the obvious like only 250 miles on a charge (roadtrip?) the power grid has trouble as it is. if a lot of people went electric, we'd have many more issues. plus they're still using electricity from mostly coal plants. where did you get that $5 figure? and right now, i believe the production of most H2 emits greenhouse gases (they make it from natural gas).shoeman12
Yea sure how would the power grid handle millions of people charging their car at 5pm when they get back from work? Maybe give electricity bill benefits to people who charge their cars later at night. Or if you're running on solar power, it's your own power source. I got that $5 figure from a Tesla guy I saw on TV, might have been NatGeo. I don't know about hydrogen though, it's the most abundant element on earth, you could just split water to get the hydrogen. Again these are all complicated things, I think that all of this is solved if the USA bothered to spend at least a billion into solar power so we can lose fossil fuels.
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#19 Xx_CYC756_xX
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I want to put a nuclear generator in my car :D One pellet of Uranium gets me the equivalent of an electric car hooked up to a coal power plant burning 1000 tons of coal.
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I would get one if they start making them look like cars and not like Tic Tacs.
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[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Which is greater - the decrease in my fuel bill, or the increase in my electric bill?

shoeman12

Depends on the price of gas, but your typical fill up can be over $15 with today's prices, and the reason that oil countries are at peace now is because people aren't freaking out about $50 per fill up. Oil prices will eventually go back up if OPEC keeps cutting production, so I'd rather be using electricity ($5 for 250 miles) that's in my own country rather than some cheap liquid that greedy countries overprice.

again, can you link to where you got that $5 figure?

It depends on how much your electric company charges you, but otherwise Tesla says $.01 a mile, which is about $2.5 for 250 miles, and then I guess you can say it could reach $5 depending on the electric company, but otherwise it looks to be lower than 5.

http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/charging_and_batteries.php

Electrical Cost to Charge the Batteries

With your electrical company's incentive pricing factored in, it will cost you roughly 1 cent per mile to drive the Tesla Roadster.

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[QUOTE="shoeman12"]no. besides the obvious like only 250 miles on a charge (roadtrip?) the power grid has trouble as it is. if a lot of people went electric, we'd have many more issues. plus they're still using electricity from mostly coal plants. where did you get that $5 figure? and right now, i believe the production of most H2 emits greenhouse gases (they make it from natural gas).RyuHayabusaX
Yea sure how would the power grid handle millions of people charging their car at 5pm when they get back from work? Maybe give electricity bill benefits to people who charge their cars later at night. Or if you're running on solar power, it's your own power source. I got that $5 figure from a Tesla guy I saw on TV, might have been NatGeo. I don't know about hydrogen though, it's the most abundant element on earth, you could just split water to get the hydrogen. Again these are all complicated things, I think that all of this is solved if the USA bothered to spend at least a billion into solar power so we can lose fossil fuels.

even if they charged at different times, that's still a big load on an already outdated system. and if you split a bunch of water, that takes coal powered electricity, then there's a lot less water. we need to build more nuclear power plants.
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Whenever I hear about electric cars I think about massive extension cords plugged into wall sockets while people drive around getting the cords wrapped around things.Bloodbath_87
We don't have a problem with that up north in places that plug in their cars at night.
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[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]no. besides the obvious like only 250 miles on a charge (roadtrip?) the power grid has trouble as it is. if a lot of people went electric, we'd have many more issues. plus they're still using electricity from mostly coal plants. where did you get that $5 figure? and right now, i believe the production of most H2 emits greenhouse gases (they make it from natural gas).shoeman12
Yea sure how would the power grid handle millions of people charging their car at 5pm when they get back from work? Maybe give electricity bill benefits to people who charge their cars later at night. Or if you're running on solar power, it's your own power source. I got that $5 figure from a Tesla guy I saw on TV, might have been NatGeo. I don't know about hydrogen though, it's the most abundant element on earth, you could just split water to get the hydrogen. Again these are all complicated things, I think that all of this is solved if the USA bothered to spend at least a billion into solar power so we can lose fossil fuels.

even if they charged at different times, that's still a big load on an already outdated system. and if you split a bunch of water, that takes coal powered electricity, then there's a lot less water. we need to build more nuclear power plants.

I'm just throwing stuff out here, but I don't care what anyone else says, solar power is the #1 energy source. The trick is catching the energy, which can be done if the government makes the panel efficiency higher using nanotechnology or relays the solar rays from space (panels are in space) back to Earth. NASA has been using hydrogen for years with its space shuttle, so eventually we might use it for our cars. But I firmly believe that solar power is the cleanest, safest, and most plentiful source available. I don't care if it takes $10 billion a month (the same the Iraq war has cost us), it'll save the environment for millions of years to come if the energy that the world uses releases no harmful gases like CO2.
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[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"] Yea sure how would the power grid handle millions of people charging their car at 5pm when they get back from work? Maybe give electricity bill benefits to people who charge their cars later at night. Or if you're running on solar power, it's your own power source. I got that $5 figure from a Tesla guy I saw on TV, might have been NatGeo. I don't know about hydrogen though, it's the most abundant element on earth, you could just split water to get the hydrogen. Again these are all complicated things, I think that all of this is solved if the USA bothered to spend at least a billion into solar power so we can lose fossil fuels.

even if they charged at different times, that's still a big load on an already outdated system. and if you split a bunch of water, that takes coal powered electricity, then there's a lot less water. we need to build more nuclear power plants.

I'm just throwing stuff out here, but I don't care what anyone else says, solar power is the #1 energy source. The trick is catching the energy, which can be done if the government makes the panel efficiency higher using nanotechnology or relays the solar rays from space (panels are in space) back to Earth. NASA has been using hydrogen for years with its space shuttle, so eventually we might use it for our cars. But I firmly believe that solar power is the cleanest, safest, and most plentiful source available. I don't care if it takes $10 billion a month (the same the Iraq war has cost us), it'll save the environment for millions of years to come if the energy that the world uses releases no harmful gases like CO2.

Solar energy is extremely inefficient. NASA's extremely high-powered solar panels are only 25% efficient and are stupidly expensive.
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#26 mlbslugger86
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

RyuHayabusaX

Well for one I haven't been paying $1000s on gas just to prepare for blackouts. If you asked me that question, I would propose for the government to spend billions to get solar panel efficiency to 80%(it's less than 40 right now) so that the world could be living off of a source that creates billions of times more energy in one second than the earth uses in one second. If you have solar panels, problem solved, no blackouts. I know you'll say it can get cloudy for a while, but that's the thing, the same lithium ion batteries that will store your car energy will be able to accumulate a lot of solar energy over weeks of sun time so when a sun drought comes, you'll be prepared. But yea did you also know that hydrogen cars can power your house? I would never be left with just an electric car, both electric and hydrogen probably.

to me, hydrogen seems a better alternative to electric, water is everywhere, and its the most abundant resource on earth

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mini cooper is releasing the Mini Cooper E this year. id buy one if i had the money for the lease which is like 850 a month and they are only leasing 500 in socal, new york and new jersey
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To be honest, I couldn't care less what my car runs on, unless it is costing me time to re-fuel.
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[QUOTE="Luncbox1"][QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] even if they charged at different times, that's still a big load on an already outdated system. and if you split a bunch of water, that takes coal powered electricity, then there's a lot less water. we need to build more nuclear power plants.

I'm just throwing stuff out here, but I don't care what anyone else says, solar power is the #1 energy source. The trick is catching the energy, which can be done if the government makes the panel efficiency higher using nanotechnology or relays the solar rays from space (panels are in space) back to Earth. NASA has been using hydrogen for years with its space shuttle, so eventually we might use it for our cars. But I firmly believe that solar power is the cleanest, safest, and most plentiful source available. I don't care if it takes $10 billion a month (the same the Iraq war has cost us), it'll save the environment for millions of years to come if the energy that the world uses releases no harmful gases like CO2.

Solar energy is extremely inefficient. NASA's extremely high-powered solar panels are only 25% efficient and are stupidly expensive.

I know they're inefficient, and expensive. So then why are oil companies and governments investing millions into them? Like I said, it's clean, plentiful, and safe. These companies keep getting closer, now they're using nano technology to improve the efficiency to get the other colors of the spectrum (since the hot colors are the main ones that get absorbed). It's worth the billions of dollars to get it up to 80%. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSxUKyDoRbc Really nice series, it'll explain what I'm talking about, they're getting closer. sry can't link in quick quote.
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To be honest, I couldn't care less what my car runs on, unless it is costing me time to re-fuel.kyleali11
Well it kinda does, with electric cars you just plug it in and do your stuff at home (or charge it through the night) and wake up with a fully charged car.
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

RyuHayabusaX

Well for one I haven't been paying $1000s on gas just to prepare for blackouts. If you asked me that question, I would propose for the government to spend billions to get solar panel efficiency to 80%(it's less than 40 right now) so that the world could be living off of a source that creates billions of times more energy in one second than the earth uses in one second. If you have solar panels, problem solved, no blackouts. I know you'll say it can get cloudy for a while, but that's the thing, the same lithium ion batteries that will store your car energy will be able to accumulate a lot of solar energy over weeks of sun time so when a sun drought comes, you'll be prepared. But yea did you also know that hydrogen cars can power your house? I would never be left with just an electric car, both electric and hydrogen probably.

Solar panels are most definitely below 40% efficiency.

The most effective ones only capture a few percentage points of the sun's energy that hits them, last I checked. The most effective are titanium dioxide panels due to some weird nanotech crap, but those only capture, at most, 15-20%. There's no way in hell that we're getting 80% efficiency without major, major breakthroughs in technology. Simple improvements upon current tech won't do crap.

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http://www.reuk.co.uk/40-Percent-Efficiency-PV-Solar-Panels.htm

This was 2 years ago.

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http://www.reuk.co.uk/40-Percent-Efficiency-PV-Solar-Panels.htm

This was 2 years ago.

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Electric cars have alot of torque, and you can get alot of horsepower out of them too, but they would have to be too big for that. But the torqu numbers are still outstanding. But I still wouldn't want one unless maybe you figure out how to make them work with a manual transmission. But Hydrogen, that I think I would enjoy alittle more. Not a fuel cell hydrogen car, but an internal combustion hydrogen engine. I think it could be possible to work with a manual transmission, since its the same basic principal that we use today, the only difference would be it emits water instaid of harmful emissions.
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Electric cars are fundamentally flawed. Hydrogen fuelled internal combustion cars are the future. I've seen articles that state that hydrogen burning IC engines can theoretically produce more power than a typical gasoline engine of the same displacement.
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

what happens if theres a blackout?

and you haven't charged it in a couple of days,

you basically gotta go on foot

Luncbox1
Many plans for electric cars include a backup gasoline engine. For example, the Chevrolet Volt has an electric motor as the primary power source, but when that one runs out a gas engine will start running.

Those are called Hybrids. There have been hybrids on the rode for the almost the past decade......