I heard that the American M1 Garand and Thompson machine guns were superior to the German K98 rifle and MP40. How, then, did the Germans put up such a fight on the ground if they were outgunned by the Americans?
The Nazis had good weaponry as well you know, the Kar 98 and MP40 were good weapons as well but not superior to the thompson and M1, and they also had the MG42.
The Germans also had the Sturmgewehr 44, I think it was the first true assault rifle in the world.
There were a huge amount of different models used during the war, some of them were even used during WW1. In the end it wasn't about having better guns, it was about tactics, numbers and the larger weapon technologies.
I heard that the American M1 Garand and Thompson machine guns were superior to the German K98 rifle and MP40. How, then, did the Germans put up such a fight on the ground if they were outgunned by the Americans? ElectronFlux2
They had the MG42, devastating machine gun. The M1 Garand was superior to the German rifles of the day, but later in the war they had MP44s and the MP40 isn't all that better than the thompson.
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
Doom_HellKnight
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This... AND MORE 0.o
you deserve a high-five for that perfectly educational post
The M1 was a semi automatic rifle making it easier to sqeeze off severl rounds in short succession. The Thompson was great because it used regular .45 calibur bullets that could be mass produced like crazy, it was also the first gun that was made out of pre-cut peices making it easier to mass produce them as well
You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.
You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.hokies1313
ya but we didnt beat Germany using it. Nuclear Weaponry only made a significance in the Pacific
You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.hokies1313
They weren't just several years ahead. They were many, many years ahead. They even got engineers together, to design an orbital station that could launch V2 Rockets at earth from space. Vortex guns to take down aircraft, and hurricane cannons to knock over advancing soldiers without killing them.
Not to mention, they developed the first jet-propelled fighter plane and some of the world's first ICBMs.
Oh, and a curved silencer for crews of the Elefant so that they could fire around corners. They did this, as they forgot to add the spacing the machine-gun on the tank's chassis.
[QUOTE="hokies1313"]You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.Doom_HellKnight
They weren't just several years ahead. They were many, many years ahead. They even got engineers together, to design an orbital station that could launch V2 Rockets at earth from space. Vortex guns to take down aircraft, and hurricane cannons to knock over advancing soldiers without killing them.
Not to mention, they developed the first jet-propelled fighter plane and some of the world's first ICBMs.
Oh, and a curved silencer for crews of the Elefant so that they could fire around corners. They did this, as they forgot to add the spacing the machine-gun on the tank's chassis.
it wasnt a silencer just a corner shot and it was really effective because the bullets would break up in the curve of the pipe and it would have a shotgun like effect
The Germans also had the Sturmgewehr 44, I think it was the first true assault rifle in the world.
There were a huge amount of different models used during the war, some of them were even used during WW1. In the end it wasn't about having better guns, it was about tactics, numbers and the larger weapon technologies.
Hungry_bunny
no actually the B.A.R> was the first assault rifle ever
[QUOTE="hokies1313"]You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.FUBAR24
ya but we didnt beat Germany using it. Nuclear Weaponry only made a significance in the Pacific
the germans were very close to discovering nuclear weaponry
it wasnt a silencer just a corner shot and it was really effective because the bullets would break up in the curve of the pipe and it would have a shotgun like effect
FUBAR24
Yeah, I mean't a silencer-like item applied to the end of the barrel, not a silencer as is. (I can't recall if it was fixed into special variants of the STG44 itself, or if it was removable) The whole shotgun effect was an ingenious idea, though, I have to admit. (Intentional or not) Didn't the device degrade too quickly to be used frequently, or something?
[QUOTE="hokies1313"]You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.FUBAR24
ya but we didnt beat Germany using it. Nuclear Weaponry only made a significance in the Pacific
I was just saying that in the end, they were very advanced in conventional means, but even if they had this advanced technology, in the end the US had nuclear technology that they could have theoretically used in Europe if they had had to.
it wasnt a silencer just a corner shot and it was really effective because the bullets would break up in the curve of the pipe and it would have a shotgun like effect
Doom_HellKnight
Yeah, I mean't a silencer-like item applied to the end of the barrel, not a silencer as is. (I can't recall if it was fixed into special variants of the STG44 itself, or if it was removable) The whole shotgun effect was an ingenious idea, though, I have to admit. Didn't the device degrade too quickly to be used frequently, or something?
ya it only lasted about a third of the time a normal 44 would have
You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.hokies1313
actuallyrussia had a hell of a lot more men then the U.S. more than 11 million russian soldiers were killed or wounded
[QUOTE="hokies1313"]You know, had the Germans actually had the same numbers of say America, They would have dominated in WW2. Their weaponry was several years ahead of the Allies in small arms, tanks, and aircraft. Unfortunately the US was ahead in the one region that would have counted had Germany had the same manpower totals, nuclear weaponry.ishoturface
actuallyrussia had a hell of a lot more men then the U.S. more than 11 million russian soldiers were killed or wounded
I realize that, but even with a smaller number of troops, if that "smaller" number was on par to the size of the US military at the time, they could have held back the russians.
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
Doom_HellKnight
yes the tiger owned the american sherman an stuart tanks but the russian t-80 and the tiger were evenly matched
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
Doom_HellKnight
Cool, but why would you give "props" to the Nazis?
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
billbucker
Cool, but why would you give "props" to the Nazis?
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
billbucker
Cool, but why would you give "props" to the Nazis?
because not all German Soliders were members of the Nazi party. Actually a lot of them wernt fighting for hitler but in defence of their land
The Wehrmact had many weapons superior to those of the allies.
For example, in 1942 they deployed the MG42. Nicknamed "Hitler's Buzz-saw" it had an amazing 1200 - 1500rpm rate of fire. The sound produced alone, was traumatising. They also had superior vehicles in many cases. The Panzer IV was an equal match, around about, for an M4 Sherman. (Varients and upgrades of each not withstanding). The Tiger outgunned the M4 massively. One Tiger could hold it's own against over 4 Shermans. One Tiger once held it's own against 8. They also turned their 8.8cm anti-aircraft gun into a devastating anti-vehicle weapon.They also developed plenty of other weapons. The Sturmgewehr 44, the world's first true assault rifle, was developed later in the war, for example.
If they weren't defeated in 1945, they would have had a chance to deploy the heaviest tank ever created. The 188 Tonne Maus Super-Heavy tank. They were even planning a 1500 Tonne "Tank" armed with the equivilent of the Railroad gun, which fired shells weighing 7 tonnes.
If there's one thing the Germans done in WW2, it was manufacture amazing weaponry.
As stated above though, it wasn't just about weapons. Various other factors, such as battlefield tactics play a considerable role.
billbucker
Cool, but why would you give "props" to the Nazis?
I give "props" to the Wehrmacht and the german engineers, not the Nazi Party or their ideologies.
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