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#1 alphamale1989
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http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/17781/

personally I thought that was an uncalled for and immature thing to do. Im sure even some (or many?) athiests and gay rights activists would agree.

I'm sure there have been things like this comming from the other side as well, so I'm not pointing fingers... What do you guys think about this?

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#2 duxup
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Yeah I'm sure most such activists would agree that was inappropriate.
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#3 Vfanek
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Oh well, it's just a church.
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#4 bsman00
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Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as pie
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#5 FrKnPuertoRican
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I hope that this is condemned by the leaders in the homosexual marriage movement, but i doubt it will be.
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#6 Vandalvideo
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Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as piebsman00
Oh yes, I'm even more inclined to ignore legal precedent after this distasteful stunt. :roll:
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#7 bsman00
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[QUOTE="bsman00"]Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as pieVandalvideo
Oh yes, I'm even more inclined to ignore legal precedent after this distasteful stunt. :roll:

Well would they have done this if Prop 8 passed? I dont think so... i would be pissed to if i was gay and wanted to have the same rights as ever other human in america

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#8 194197844077667059316682358889
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*sigh* I wish activists would give a little more thought as to how actions will play, rather than just acting out.
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#9 Oleg_Huzwog
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I love it when activists (of any sort) perform actions that only further damage public opinion towards their cause.
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#10 legend26
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i dont blame them, you allways see religious fanatics protesting gay rights activities and no one complains

but when gays protest at a church "ohhhhh no! that was uncalled for" :roll:

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#11 artichoke
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That was stupid. That hurts them more than it helps.
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#12 syorks1
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i dont blame them, you allways see religious fanatics protesting gay rights activities and no one complains

but when gays protest at a church "ohhhhh no! that was uncalled for" :roll:

legend26

I think it is completely the opposite. G@y rights activists can protest all they want, but if one religious person stands up for their rights they are mocked, made fun of, and bullied.

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#13 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as piebsman00

Oh yes, I'm even more inclined to ignore legal precedent after this distasteful stunt. :roll:

Well would they have done this if Prop 8 passed? I dont think so... i would be pissed to if i was gay and wanted to have the same rights as ever other human in america

Prop 8 did pass............

CA domestic partnerships give same-sex couple most of the rights married couples have, just a different name.

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#14 Cube_of_MooN
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Well, I'm not sure how they thought doing that would help their cause...
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#15 jim_shorts
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Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as piebsman00
The church doesn't exactly have the power do to so.
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#16 Meeeko
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i dont blame them, you allways see religious fanatics protesting gay rights activities and no one complains

but when gays protest at a church "ohhhhh no! that was uncalled for" :roll:

 legend26

Yes, but they could have done it in a more formal way.  Thats for any kind of protest. :(

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#17 Tauruslink
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http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/17781/

personally I thought that was an uncalled for and immature thing to do. Im sure even some (or many?) athiests and gay rights activists would agree.

I'm sure there have been things like this comming from the other side as well, so I'm not pointing fingers... What do you guys think about this?

 

alphamale1989

What an unbiased source.

Edit: On the other hand, I think they crossed the line. This type of stuff hurts the cause more than it helps it.

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#18 nbtrap1212
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The real story here is the mainstream media's refusal to cover this story.
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#19 htekemerald
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They brought it on themselves.  You want to piss on peoples rights and label them as some abomination you can't cry when they come for you.

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#20 Bloodbath_87
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*sigh* How exactly does this help their cause?
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#21 Mafiree
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They brought it on themselves.  You want to piss on peoples rights and label them as some abomination you can't cry when they come for you.

htekemerald

Terrorism is cool

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#22 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

They brought it on themselves.  You want to piss on peoples rights and label them as some abomination you can't cry when they come for you.

Mafiree

Terrorism is cool

I dont see the relavance to this discussion
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#23 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

They brought it on themselves.  You want to piss on peoples rights and label them as some abomination you can't cry when they come for you.

htekemerald

Terrorism is cool

I dont see the relavance to this discussion

you were advocating gay-rights activist going after Christians in your first post ie. "terrorizing" them

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#24 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Mafiree"]

Terrorism is cool

Mafiree

I dont see the relavance to this discussion

you were advocating gay-rights activist going after Christians in your first post ie. "terrorizing" them

  I dont see how, I at any point, advocated anything withing my argument.  All I did was state a point as to why they did what they did, nothing more.  Please try not to jump to conclusions.

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#25 Zenkuso
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[QUOTE="bsman00"]Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as piejim_shorts
The church doesn't exactly have the power do to so.

Don't make the mistake of thinking the church doesn't hold power on political fronts because they do, many peoples religious views will blind them in positions of political power to decided on choices that they see as moral or immoral and with the masses backing up there views as well because they follow those same idealogies they'll never be seen as political bias from any stand point within a government of democary because the people the majority of people would be agreeing with them.

If the church turned around tomorrow and accepted homosexuality then you would see rapid rights changes across many countries giving them equal rights to do everything non-homosexual people are allowed.

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#26 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Mafiree"]

 

Terrorism is cool

Mafiree

I dont see the relavance to this discussion

 

you were advocating gay-rights activist going after Christians in your first post ie. "terrorizing" them

 

I dont see how, I at any point, advocated anything withing my argument.  All I did was state a point as to why they did what they did, nothing more.  Please try not to jump to conclusions.
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#27 loco145
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:lol: GS. I guess since religious people are dumb in the first place this was right :roll:
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#28 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] I dont see the relavance to this discussionhtekemerald

you were advocating gay-rights activist going after Christians in your first post ie. "terrorizing" them

  I dont see how, I at any point, advocated anything withing my argument.  All I did was state a point as to why they did what they did, nothing more.  Please try not to jump to conclusions.

justifying work better instead of advocating?

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#29 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]

you were advocating gay-rights activist going after Christians in your first post ie. "terrorizing" them

Mafiree

  I dont see how, I at any point, advocated anything withing my argument.  All I did was state a point as to why they did what they did, nothing more.  Please try not to jump to conclusions.

justifying work better instead of advocating?

  I see your incapable of having any sort of discussion on this issue when your bias is so thick as to see some one stating a point is the same as someone justifying an action.
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#30 Mafiree
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I see your incapable of having any sort of discussion on this issue when your bias is so thick as to see some one stating a point is the same as someone justifying an action.htekemerald

"they brought it on themselves"

That sounds like you are justifying their actions........

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#31 TAKE_IT_BACK
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:| That was very rash. Why couldn't they just do a silent protest? A long time ago, my family and I joined our church in a silent march against Focus On the Family. It was very organized and the cops were just fine with it. This, however, was not the right thing to do.
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#32 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="legend26"]

i dont blame them, you allways see religious fanatics protesting gay rights activities and no one complains

but when gays protest at a church "ohhhhh no! that was uncalled for" :roll:

syorks1

I think it is completely the opposite. G@y rights activists can protest all they want, but if one religious person stands up for their rights they are mocked, made fun of, and bullied.

I agree.

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#33 tzar3
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Dosent bother me.

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#34 Silverbond
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Oh well, it's just a church.Vfanek

Explain, please.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Give them there rights and they will stop... easy as piebsman00

Oh yes, I'm even more inclined to ignore legal precedent after this distasteful stunt. :roll:

Well would they have done this if Prop 8 passed? I dont think so... i would be pissed to if i was gay and wanted to have the same rights as ever other human in america

 

Yep. The problem is that no one is really AFRAID of gays. Sure, people HATE gays, and are DISGUSTED by gays, but no one really FEARS them. And that's why gays are never going to get equal treatment as long as they keep doing what they've been doing. They can keep on ASKING to be treated fairly, and the public will continue telling them to get lost. After all, "what can he do to me? He's just gay."

 

But I tell you, things will be different if they start scaring the **** out of people. If they stop ASKING for fair treatment and start DEMANDING fair treatment, I guarantee you that things will be different.

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#36 Theokhoth
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People with the audacity to say "serves them right" really should try and remember a little fact of life: the Church doesn't have the power to legalise or ban gay marriage. Why don't they protest the State of California if they're pissed?

I'm sure if a church were to accost, say, a woman having an abortion, you guys who are all gung-ho about letting gay people ruin a church service for no good reason would have no issue with that, because, after all, we're not hypocrites, now are we?

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#37 Guybrush_3
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I love how they try to make it seem like that is an accurate example of all liberals. Yes what they did was wrong but you dont have to be a complete and total douche bag and do some very nonchristian smearing.
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#38 Theokhoth
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Is anybody else getting this weird glitch with this topic? Everything is black past the first few posts.:? And it's only in this one topic.
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#39 LittleHands134
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Wow. I think I know who's not getting my vote when another gay rights related thing comes up.
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#40 Ravirr
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Is anybody else getting this weird glitch with this topic? Everything is black past the first few posts.:? And it's only in this one topic.Theokhoth

Yeah happened on page 3, skipped to page 4 and it worked fine. I donno whats up

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#41 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Is anybody else getting this weird glitch with this topic? Everything is black past the first few posts.:? And it's only in this one topic.Ravirr

Yeah happened on page 3, skipped to page 4 and it worked fine. I donno whats up

It's not fixing for me.:? The only reason I know what you're saying is because I quoted your message.

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#42 MoonMarvel
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This isn't they way to get tolerance. This will only GIVE the church ammo against you. This will at best make them hate you more and make them and others MORE likely not less to vote for things like prop 8. But what does what happened in MICHIGAN have to do with what happened in CALIFORNIA? Do any of you know if they even supported it? Yes they back traditional marriage but do they support banning gay marriage?
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#44 LikeHaterade
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Shouldn't they be doing that in front of the capital?:|
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#45 Theokhoth
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Shouldn't they be doing that in front of the capital?:|LikeHaterade

Silly rabbit, logic is for kids.

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#46 JohnnySN1P3R
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And this is why I hate all types of Activists.
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#47 siren420
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Wow. I think I know who's not getting my vote when another gay rights related thing comes up. LittleHands134

Who, the Queer Anarchists? Someone also mentioned being at a peaceful protests and how this should have been one. I think the inclusion of the word 'anarchist' into the equation eliminates any chance of organization.

Small faction groups like this are pretty few and far between in the gay community. Most people I know, in Maine which is the furthest from california that you can get, we're organizing marches and rallies. We're not tp'ing our local St. Patricks. And 99.99% of the other reactions to Prop 8 in the US are like us, not this **** in Michigan.

I fully believe that you can't use the masters tool to dismantle his house, meaning sometimes the fight has to be taken to the streets and not the courts.. but what does this do but freak out a bible study? It accomplishes nothing. Maybe that's why the mainstream hasn't picked it up, to give the participants what they want--attention. Bury them on a side bar.

Someone mentioned that christian people would be treated different if they did this. Well, let us point to Fred Phelps, of Kansas, and his "God Hates **** protesters who actually took to protesting the funerals of dead iraqi war soliders to get their anti gay message out. Thankfully, though, a counter group of motorcyclists, the Freedom Riders, are there to shield the mouners from having to see their hate. They do this alot, but you only hear about it if they're in your city.

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#48 Huell_Howser
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sorry to all the gay marriage supporters out there but we live in a democracy where issues like this get put on the ballot where majority decides what should happen. And in California gay marriage still doesn't exist after it was put on the ballot. Which is surprising as California seems like one of the states most likely to have something like this pass in.
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#49 freshgman
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that wont accomplish anything or further the cause
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#50 Lonelynight
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Does doing this actually change anything besides making people hate them?