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#1 muzik_mafia
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Well, I just finished all twelve volumes... brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

I felt anyone could relate to at least one character in the entire novel, even if not the actual Watchmen.

Whose your favourite? I'm going with Rorschach the Badass, patent pending.:P

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#2 sammyjenkis898
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Dr. Manhattan. I kind of agree with his beliefs.
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#3 SaintLeonidas
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After watching the film and rereading the graphic novel Id have to go with

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#4 -_Rain_-
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Rorschach.
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#5 wado-karate
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Adrien Veidt (I forget his Superhero name, its been awhile since reading the comics). His plan was genius.

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#6 Puscifer_No1
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Dr. Manhattan. I kind of agree with his beliefs. sammyjenkis898
This. **SPOILER** It made me mad when he was been accused of giving cancer to members of the minute men...:x stupid paparazzi :x
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#7 -_Rain_-
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Adrien Veidt (I forget his Superhero name, its been awhile since reading the comics). His plan was genius.

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Ozymandias.
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#8 AustXilo
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Well, I just finished all twelve volumes... brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

I felt anyone could relate to at least one character in the entire novel, even if not the actual Watchmen.

Whose your favourite? I'm going with Rorschach the Badass, patent pending.:P

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Long before you made this post I watched the movie. Rorschach is my favorite followed by Dr. Manhattan.
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#9 sammyjenkis898
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Everyone just needs to read the novel. It's miles ahead of the mediocre film.
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#10 wado-karate
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Adrien Veidt (I forget his Superhero name, its been awhile since reading the comics). His plan was genius.

Ozymandias.

Yes, thank you.
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#11 FalcoLX
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Everyone just needs to read the novel. It's miles ahead of the mediocre film.sammyjenkis898
Yeah, I relate most to the second Nite Owl, because he's kinda quiet, and smart.

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#12 TheZ3nMan
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Nite-Owl is my favorite, because he's so realistic. But Rorschach was just 100% B.A.
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#13 Oleg_Huzwog
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The film was just as good as the comic in all areas except one: the ending (which was MUCH better in the film).

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#14 sammyjenkis898
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The film was just as good as the comic in all areas except one: the ending (which was MUCH better in the film).

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The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.
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#15 ferron321
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Everyone just needs to read the novel. It's miles ahead of the mediocre film.sammyjenkis898
Agree'd
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#16 HybridPhoenix
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They weren't called Watchmen... but I'm fond of Rorshach, Nite Owl, and Dr. Manhattan
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#17 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The film was just as good as the comic in all areas except one: the ending (which was MUCH better in the film).

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The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.

The comic's ending left too many ridiculous questions and made Nite Owl look like a douchebag. The movie's ending made sense.
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#18 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The film was just as good as the comic in all areas except one: the ending (which was MUCH better in the film).

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The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.

The comic's ending left too many ridiculous questions and made Nite Owl look like a douchebag. The movie's ending made sense.

No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it.
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none...I never read the Graphic Novel and thought the movie was painfully slow and dull....
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.sammyjenkis898
The comic's ending left too many ridiculous questions and made Nite Owl look like a douchebag. The movie's ending made sense.

No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it.

I really disliked the newspaper vendor in the comic. And I hated reading a comic in a comic. It may have added a little bit to the ending, but it was quite boring to read.
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.

The comic's ending left too many ridiculous questions and made Nite Owl look like a douchebag. The movie's ending made sense.

No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it.

Yet again, agree'd :P I felt the newspaper vendor added quite a daunting feeling to the book that improved the experience.
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#22 Serraph105
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Rorschach because he was actually entertaining

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#23 Oleg_Huzwog
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No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it. sammyjenkis898

Were you watching the same movie as I? Just how many times do the characters need to explicitly state their fear of a nuclear holocaust in order to convey the sense?

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#24 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] The ending didn't even work in the film. It felt like it was just thrown in there, unlike the comic, which had the perfect build up.

The comic's ending left too many ridiculous questions and made Nite Owl look like a douchebag. The movie's ending made sense.

No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it.

The television commenters talking about impending war with Russia, the meetings between Nixon and his military, the repeated references to nuclear war? What are those? Dr. Manhattan mentions "nuclear war in the future" at least twice in the movie. Laurie gets a vision of death and destruction that she attributes to nuclear war.
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#25 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it. Oleg_Huzwog

Were you watching the same movie as I? Just how many times do the characters need to explicitly state their fear of a nuclear holocaust in order to convey the sense?

They rarely expressed their feelings on a World War III. The newspaper vendor was the voice of society. The film just added the ridiculous "Nixon", which was just embarrassing. Zach Snyder focused more on his "style" than anything else.
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#26 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] The television commenters talking about impending war with Russia, the meetings between Nixon and his military, the repeated references to nuclear war? What are those? Dr. Manhattan mentions "nuclear war in the future" at least twice in the movie.

You're right, about 5 minutes of the film expresses their worries on World War III. About 2/4 of the book focused on a possible World War III. The ending just didn't work in the film.
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#27 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] The television commenters talking about impending war with Russia, the meetings between Nixon and his military, the repeated references to nuclear war? What are those? Dr. Manhattan mentions "nuclear war in the future" at least twice in the movie.

You're right, about 5 minutes of the film expresses their worries on World War III. About 2/4 of the book focused on a possible World War III. The ending just didn't work in the film.

The big panic when the ending came around? Regardless of build-up, the ending of the film left far fewer plot holes than in the book and thus was better by standards of story-telling; the ending of the book was a useless plot device cleverly tossed in but poorly executed, and the way the people reacted in the book to this plot device was completely absurd. Build-up is great, but plot holes are destructive.
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#28 BeepBoop16
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I haven't watched the film but i've read the twelve volumes that make up the graphic novel. Volume 6 is my favourite because it's centered around Roschach, my favourite character. The Comedian would be my second.

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#29 legend26
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the one i relate with the most, docter manhatten becouse i agrree alot with him

just pure Badassery? RORSHACH ftw

the comic is way better then the movie but i still loved it, my fave movie of 09 so far.

i dont care what anybody says but the movie ending is superior to the comic imo.

one of my problems with the comic ending was that there was no closure between the relationship between night owl II and rorshach. in the comic

SPOILER BELOW!!!

rorshach dies and thats it, no one even notices or ask "hey wtf happend to rorshach?" in the movie night owl actually watches his freind die, its even more sad becouse he was pretty much rorshachs only freind.

also in the comic doc manhatten leaves basiclly becouse he wants to. in the movie he is FORCED to leave, he has no choice.

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The big panic when the ending came around? Regardless of build-up, the ending of the film left far fewer plot holes than in the book and thus was better by standards of story-telling; the ending of the book was useless plot device cleverly tossed in but poorly executed, and the way the people reacted in the book to this plot device was completely absurd. Build-up is great, but plot holes are destructive.-_Rain_-

What plot holes were there? How was the ending a useless plot device that was tossed in? The Tales of the Black Freighter is pretty much parallel with everything that was happening. I would rather have a build up that makes the ending work than an ending that doesn't even work.

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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] The big panic when the ending came around? Regardless of build-up, the ending of the film left far fewer plot holes than in the book and thus was better by standards of story-telling; the ending of the book was useless plot device cleverly tossed in but poorly executed, and the way the people reacted in the book to this plot device was completely absurd. Build-up is great, but plot holes are destructive.sammyjenkis898

What plot holes were there? How was the ending a useless plot device that was tossed in? The Tales of the Black Freighter is pretty much parallel with everything that was happening. I would rather have a build up that makes the ending work than an ending that doesn't even work.

How does the ending not work?
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#32 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] The big panic when the ending came around? Regardless of build-up, the ending of the film left far fewer plot holes than in the book and thus was better by standards of story-telling; the ending of the book was useless plot device cleverly tossed in but poorly executed, and the way the people reacted in the book to this plot device was completely absurd. Build-up is great, but plot holes are destructive.Brutal_Elitegs

What plot holes were there? How was the ending a useless plot device that was tossed in? The Tales of the Black Freighter is pretty much parallel with everything that was happening. I would rather have a build up that makes the ending work than an ending that doesn't even work.

How does the ending not work?

I've explained this already.
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#33 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"]How does the ending not work?sammyjenkis898
I've explained this already.

No you haven't. All you've expressed is a perceived lack of buildup.

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#34 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"]How does the ending not work?Oleg_Huzwog

I've explained this already.

No you haven't. All you've expressed is a perceived lack of buildup.

Which makes the ending not work. The ending felt completely useless with no sense of impeding doom. Dr. Manhattan didn't even see the massive pile of dead bodies, he just saw a hole in the ground.
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Rorschach. Even before I picked up the book, I knew he would be my favorite character.
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[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]What plot holes were there? How was the ending a useless plot device that was tossed in? The Tales of the Black Freighter is pretty much parallel with everything that was happening. I would rather have a build up that makes the ending work than an ending that doesn't even work.sammyjenkis898
How does the ending not work?

I've explained this already.

The film ending worked because it didn't include the subplot about the missing people on the island. Instead it substituted it with Ozymandias trying to replicate Dr Manhattan's power. It ends the same, with the world united against a common enemy.

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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] The big panic when the ending came around? Regardless of build-up, the ending of the film left far fewer plot holes than in the book and thus was better by standards of story-telling; the ending of the book was useless plot device cleverly tossed in but poorly executed, and the way the people reacted in the book to this plot device was completely absurd. Build-up is great, but plot holes are destructive.sammyjenkis898

What plot holes were there? How was the ending a useless plot device that was tossed in? The Tales of the Black Freighter is pretty much parallel with everything that was happening. I would rather have a build up that makes the ending work than an ending that doesn't even work.

This post contains spoilers. The characters' reactions to start. Let's see, Rorschach and Nite Owl are good friends, but when Rorschach is blown up, Nite Owl goes off and has sex. Granted, he isn't made aware of Rorschach's death, but here's the plot hole: he never is. Our next scene shows him all bright and happy with the girl. In the movie, Nite Owl witnesses the whole thing--and is torn apart by it. He then returns to attempt to kick Veidt's ass, like I would expect a friend to do. This is probably the biggest and most obvious plot hole; it is completely against Nite Owl's character (and, I'd bet, Silk Spectre's; she didn't like Rorschach ata ll but I don't think she'd approve of him being blown to bits) and makes no sense whatsoever. Next, Dr. Manhattan's departure. He basically goes "okay, I see the meaning to life now and am finally comfortable with humans" and then right the hell out of nowhere says he's leaving for another galaxy--one "less complicated." This is before he says he'll make some new humans--kinda negating the purpose of him leaving in the first place. In the movie, it's basically the same thing--except now, since he's being blamed for the global catastrophe, he's being forced to leave. He has a reason to leave. "Oh, you're leaving Earth forever now that you're being blamed for its near-destruction? Well, I can't blame you." The book's ending is like that episode of Futurama when Fry writes into a book "and then, for no reason, the giant brains leave Earth forever." Next, alien of the book. Yes, it is life-like. Yes, it is intimidating. Yes, its sudden appearance kills hundreds of thousands of people. But it's fake. It's made of metal and paint. Eventually, the world's governments are going to want to find out why this giant monster isn't moving--and then they're going to want to know what's inside. What'll they do, I wonder, when they see that it's an oversized action figure? The entire "peace" thing Veidt was going for would be completely lost; the governments would know it was a fake alien and they would begin blaming eachother for the fake and attack, thus leading everything back to the beginning of the book. This doesn't even include things like "where are the aliens from" and "why didn't we detect them" and "why did they attack us" and "why haven't they ever come back." The movie does not have this issue because the movie uses very real bombs from a very real source: Dr. Manhattan. Next, position of the attack. It's in New York. Cool, right? Yep. But wait a minute: the rest of the world is completely unaffected! In fact, this opens the door for Russia altogether! America is weakened in a time of World War, but the whole world's gonna stop because of a giant alien attack on a single city? I don't buy that at all. The film's ending placed attacks in major cities all over the planet, allowing humanity to actually share in grief and give that "peaceful unity" schtick a fair chance. The movie's ending is far, far better than the book's ending, regardless of Black Freighter, which I never mentioned. Besides, Black Freighter fits the movie's ending just fine.
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I think ozzymandias because when he looks at the tv screens at the end of the novels and said "i did it" it was just priceless

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Dr. Manhatton.

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In the graphic novel and movie , I rather liked Rorsach ( sorry I can't spell ). But the movie version made me appreciate more of Ozymandias' character for some reason.

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#41 curono
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Everyone just needs to read the novel. It's miles ahead of the mediocre film.sammyjenkis898
Film was not mediocre. The ending changed slightly, but kept original idea, however, most of picture had an obsessive like faithfulness. You must understand that Watchmen had too much to keep COMPLETE it into a single movie. The movie rocked!
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]No, it didn't. In the comic there was a sense of paranoia and doom. In the film there was absolutely no sense of impeding doom. One of the reasons is because the newspaper vendor wasn't in it. sammyjenkis898

Were you watching the same movie as I? Just how many times do the characters need to explicitly state their fear of a nuclear holocaust in order to convey the sense?

They rarely expressed their feelings on a World War III. The newspaper vendor was the voice of society. The film just added the ridiculous "Nixon", which was just embarrassing. Zach Snyder focused more on his "style" than anything else.

Are you freaking kidding me?! How the hell do you honestly expect them to fit in all of that in a theatrical release? The cuts they made had to be done..For what it was it was a very faithful adaption. Of course film cant reach the same depth the GN could. All of that newspaper vendor stuff is being included into the ultimate directors cut...:|

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Dr. Manhattan on Mars was my wallpaper of a long while.
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#44 curono
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Were you watching the same movie as I? Just how many times do the characters need to explicitly state their fear of a nuclear holocaust in order to convey the sense?

blazinpuertoroc

They rarely expressed their feelings on a World War III. The newspaper vendor was the voice of society. The film just added the ridiculous "Nixon", which was just embarrassing. Zach Snyder focused more on his "style" than anything else.

Are you freaking kidding me?! How the hell do you honestly expect them to fit in all of that in a theatrical release? The cuts they made had to be done..For what it was it was a very faithful adaption. Of course film cant reach the same depth the GN could. All of that newspaper vendor stuff is being included into the ultimate directors cut...:|

Agreed.... the movie lasted 2:40 without those things, and that is pushing a film too far. Don't be that nerdy.
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#45 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]Everyone just needs to read the novel. It's miles ahead of the mediocre film.curono
Film was not mediocre. The ending changed slightly, but kept original idea, however, most of picture had an obsessive like faithfulness. You must understand that Watchmen had too much to keep COMPLETE it into a single movie. The movie rocked!

The movie was as good it could've been, but that doesn't mean Watchmen should've been made into a movie.
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#46 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Were you watching the same movie as I? Just how many times do the characters need to explicitly state their fear of a nuclear holocaust in order to convey the sense?

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They rarely expressed their feelings on a World War III. The newspaper vendor was the voice of society. The film just added the ridiculous "Nixon", which was just embarrassing. Zach Snyder focused more on his "style" than anything else.

Are you freaking kidding me?! How the hell do you honestly expect them to fit in all of that in a theatrical release? The cuts they made had to be done..For what it was it was a very faithful adaption. Of course film cant reach the same depth the GN could. All of that newspaper vendor stuff is being included into the ultimate directors cut...:|

I didn't expect them to fit all of it in the theatrical release. I knew it wouldn't live up to the novel, but it could have been so much better, especially if there was no slow motion.
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#47 omfg_its_dally
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#48 Avistann
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] I didn't expect them to fit all of it in the theatrical release. I knew it wouldn't live up to the novel, but it could have been so much better, especially if there was no slow motion.

I did not mind the slow mo. It let you swallow all that was happening instead of being a shaky, dark fight scene where I have no clue what is going. Maybe I just have slow eyes though :?
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#49 sammyjenkis898
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[QUOTE="Avistann"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] I didn't expect them to fit all of it in the theatrical release. I knew it wouldn't live up to the novel, but it could have been so much better, especially if there was no slow motion.

I did not mind the slow mo. It let you swallow all that was happening instead of being a shaky, dark fight scene where I have no clue what is going. Maybe I just have slow eyes though :?

The scene where The Comedian was jumping off of the ship didn't need slow motion.
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#50 nZiFFLe
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rorshach.

btw, any1 else thought the movie was a terrible adaptation of the book?

EDIT: scratch adaption, but the acting ruined it for me.