Your opinion on Jesus

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

I just want a debate about jesus, not religions.

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

Etherninty

Historical evidence suggests so.

I don't want to get into that, because it brings up more questions than it answers. Could he turn wine into water, did the quality of the water affect the quality of the wine, and could he walk on wine? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

Hell no, he preached all the time that he was the son of God. He pretty much founded a religion, dispelling any way of being called Atheist.

yes, yes, no

Oh and even atheists who study history admit he existed

[QUOTE="Etherninty"]

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

Video_Game_King

Historical evidence suggests so.

I don't want to get into that, because it brings up more questions than it answers. Could he turn wine into water, did the quality of the water affect the quality of the wine, and could he walk on wine? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

Hell no, he preached all the time that he was the son of God. He pretty much founded a religion, dispelling any way of being called Atheist.

My room mate idolizes Jesus, and it's because heconsiders Jesus to be the best con artist ever.

I kind of feel the same way.

Cool guy, met him on the subway once. Then I had to get off. I asked him where he gets off and he said, "never, I stay on the subway convincing people to be charitable."

Then as I was getting off the subway he tried to rob me :cry: I guess it was just a bum...

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Etherninty"]

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

worthyofnote

Historical evidence suggests so.

I don't want to get into that, because it brings up more questions than it answers. Could he turn wine into water, did the quality of the water affect the quality of the wine, and could he walk on wine? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

Hell no, he preached all the time that he was the son of God. He pretty much founded a religion, dispelling any way of being called Atheist.

My room mate idolizes Jesus, and it's because heconsiders Jesus to be the best con artist ever.

I kind of feel the same way.

Lol he conned his way RIGHT onto that cross! Seriously man, if you want a snide way of saying jesus wasn't god, make it intelligent. I myself am an atheist but that con artist thing just makes us all sound dumb and annoying.

yes, jesus lives in los angelos and is fluent in spanish. LoG-Sacrament

mademelol

Probably not, from studying Rome at the time you can find out that Religious sects often used "magic tricks", and similar things to get more followers. I'd assume that this a similar event.

We would have no real way of knowing that since everything written about him would of been to promote his religion therefore it would be extremely unlikely any sources saying he was false would of existed. It seems unlikely that he wouldn't of believed in a one god religion though after promoting it so much. That would be like finding out bush is actually a liberal it doesn't make alot of sense and is highly unlikely.

My opinion :

Jesus did exist, a cult followed him. His teachings were simple and passionate. He did not perform miracles because he did'nt have to(it's not even a can he or can't he question). When he died on the cross(because the Romans thought he was about to start a rebellion) his cult glorified him to a divinity status.Religious people wrote down his story of "mouth talk" after some years and romanced it with the Torah.

[QUOTE="worthyofnote"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Etherninty"]

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

darkmoney52

Historical evidence suggests so.

I don't want to get into that, because it brings up more questions than it answers. Could he turn wine into water, did the quality of the water affect the quality of the wine, and could he walk on wine? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

Hell no, he preached all the time that he was the son of God. He pretty much founded a religion, dispelling any way of being called Atheist.

My room mate idolizes Jesus, and it's because heconsiders Jesus to be the best con artist ever.

I kind of feel the same way.

Lol he conned his way RIGHT onto that cross! Seriously man, if you want a snide way of saying jesus wasn't god, make it intelligent. I myself am an atheist but that con artist thing just makes us all sound dumb and annoying.

Not my intention, but I can see how that can be percieved. So I will apologize if that was offensive to anyone.

In all actuality, I can't say whether or not he existed, however it would seem evidently he once lived. I, myself, can say that I lean more towards agnostic beliefs. However, I practice Mahayanna Buddhism.I don't exactly believe in God and the concepts of Christianity, but I'm still open minded to the possibility. I'm just waiting for somehard evidence. So it would seem I will truly learn in the time of my demise.

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

mindstorm

The earliest estimate I know of places the writing of the Gospels at around 90 AD, long after anyone who was personally acquainted with Jesus would have died. None of the Gospels are first hand accounts. Even if they were, their value would be severely limited by nearly two thousand years of editing and translation.

Also important is the fact that the Gospels found in the Bible today were selected centuries after the fact by men who had no way of knowing if they were at all accurate.

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

mindstorm

That means that Jesus existed not that he was God. I know a lot of my friends very well, but that doesn't mean everything I say about them is true.

He was a very tastey fish stick...

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

morewasabi

The earliest estimate I know of places the writing of the Gospels at around 90 AD, long after anyone who was personally acquainted with Jesus would have died. None of the Gospels are first hand accounts. Even if they were, their value would be severely limited by nearly two thousand years of editing and translation.

Also important is the fact that the Gospels found in the Bible today were selected centuries after the fact by men who had no way of knowing if they were at all accurate.

The LATEST writings were in 90 A.D. by John the Apostle. All of the writtings were written from 40 A. D. to 90 A. D.. And what you say about manuscripts changing, the modern translations of the Bible are all based on about 5000 manuscripts dating to about 100 A. D.. Sure, all of the manuscripts are not perfect but nothing major is different other than a couple names, minor verses, and some numbers. The ONLY thing that is doctrinally different is that some of the manuscripts adds the handling of snakes to the scriptures which doesn't line up with the rest of scripture.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

darkmoney52

That means that Jesus existed not that he was God. I know a lot of my friends very well, but that doesn't mean everything I say about them is true.

exactly, even ifhewas the son of god, that does not mean his followers were, that means they follow basic human nature.

The New Testament original texts were written in Koine Greek by various unknown authors after c. AD 45 and before c. AD 140.Its 27 books were gradually collected into a single volume over a period of several centuries.

The LATEST writings were in 90 A.D. by John the Apostle. All of the writtings were written from 40 A. D. to 90 A. D..

mindstorm

Even if this is true(and I'm not sayingit is), the Gospels were still written long after the fact. There is no way to directly link their writing to any specific time or author.

And what you say about manuscripts changing, the modern translations of the Bible are all based on about 5000 manuscripts dating to about 100 A. D.

mindstorm

Then the question of when the originals were written is of much less importance. If the Gospels were translated from writings dating to roughly seventy years after the original events then they cannot be considered eyewitness accounts. Some meaning is always lost in translation, especially when the languages are as different as Hebrew and English. The Gospels are unlikely to be primary sources and are of dubious value from a historical perspective.

Sure, all of the manuscripts are not perfect but nothing major is different other than a couple names, minor verses, and some numbers. The ONLY thing that is doctrinally different is that some of the manuscripts adds the handling of snakes to the scriptures which doesn't line up with the rest of scripture. mindstorm

Internal continuity counts for little. The Gospels that went into the Bible were still selected and propagated centuries later by the Catholic Church.

Did Jesus exist? Yes.

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=37

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

Jesus was not just a moral teacher. There are three things He could have been:

A liar: He knew that what He was speaking wasn't the truth, but He spoke it anyway;

A lunatic: He wasn't speaking the Truth, but was convinced He was;

A lord: He was speaking the Truth.

Now, for the liar. Jesus suffered one of the most painful deaths imaginable. He said He was God. Why would somebody do this if they were not God? Money and fame. Jesus was rather poor. He never kept money that was donated. So it was fame He was after? Well, fame doesn't matter so much when you're facing death by nails to the hands and feet for nine hours.

This is usually countered with the Jesus Martyr argument. Jesus was lying about being God, but it was necessary. Why was it necessary? For the betterment of society. But how could Jesus possibly know that what He was doing would affect society for the better? After all, He died before He could really influence anybody of any real importance within the Roman empire. Also, why would somebody die for a cause they didn't believe in?

So maybe Christ was insane? Nope. He was charged as thus, and found not guilty, many times. He had many witnesses to His miracles. He was very wise. He was indeed sane; After all, what insane man could make such an impact on history?

That leaves only one option.;)

Your opinion on Jesus

Etherninty

He was the raptor leader.

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

mindstorm

Just because they're first hand accounts doesn't mean they're true. BTW your sig makes me sick, its basically saying you can kill someone and if you turn to God you're forgiven..

Yes he did exist, but he wasn't the son of God and all that stuff, he just taught people to love each other.He was also a raptor.RoflSponge

Yes, that's all He taught. . .oh wait.:o

Did Jesus exist? Yes.

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=37

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

Jesus was not just a moral teacher. There are three things He could have been:

A liar: He knew that what He was speaking wasn't the truth, but He spoke it anyway;

A lunatic: He wasn't speaking the Truth, but was convinced He was;

A lord: He was speaking the Truth.

Now, for the liar. Jesus suffered one of the most painful deaths imaginable. He said He was God. Why would somebody do this if they were not God? Money and fame. Jesus was rather poor. He never kept money that was donated. So it was fame He was after? Well, fame doesn't matter so much when you're facing death by nails to the hands and feet for nine hours.

This is usually countered with the Jesus Martyr argument. Jesus was lying about being God, but it was necessary. Why was it necessary? For the betterment of society. But how could Jesus possibly know that what He was doing would affect society for the better? After all, He died before He could really influence anybody of any real importance within the Roman empire. Also, why would somebody die for a cause they didn't believe in?

So maybe Christ was insane? Nope. He was charged as thus, and found not guilty, many times. He had many witnesses to His miracles. He was very wise. He was indeed sane; After all, what insane man could make such an impact on history?

That leaves only one option.;)

Silver_Dragon17

so Muhamed was a true prophet too? :|

many insane persons can make such an impact on the world....

you claim that he was very wise yet you show no supporting evidence.....

and people can believe things to be other than what they are.....

[QUOTE="RoflSponge"]Yes he did exist, but he wasn't the son of God and all that stuff, he just taught people to love each other.He was also a raptor.Silver_Dragon17

Yes, that's all He taught. . .oh wait.:o

I know thats not all he taught, but thats the main message of what he was teaching.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Did Jesus exist? Yes.

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=37

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

Jesus was not just a moral teacher. There are three things He could have been:

A liar: He knew that what He was speaking wasn't the truth, but He spoke it anyway;

A lunatic: He wasn't speaking the Truth, but was convinced He was;

A lord: He was speaking the Truth.

Now, for the liar. Jesus suffered one of the most painful deaths imaginable. He said He was God. Why would somebody do this if they were not God? Money and fame. Jesus was rather poor. He never kept money that was donated. So it was fame He was after? Well, fame doesn't matter so much when you're facing death by nails to the hands and feet for nine hours.

This is usually countered with the Jesus Martyr argument. Jesus was lying about being God, but it was necessary. Why was it necessary? For the betterment of society. But how could Jesus possibly know that what He was doing would affect society for the better? After all, He died before He could really influence anybody of any real importance within the Roman empire. Also, why would somebody die for a cause they didn't believe in?

So maybe Christ was insane? Nope. He was charged as thus, and found not guilty, many times. He had many witnesses to His miracles. He was very wise. He was indeed sane; After all, what insane man could make such an impact on history?

That leaves only one option.;)

pie-junior

so Muhamed was a true prophet too? :|

many insane persons can make such an impact on the world....

you claim that he was very wise yet you show no supporting evidence.....

and people can believe things to be other than what they are.....

I never mentioned Mohammad.:|

Such as. . .?

The evidence is right there in the Bible. . .He stunned the Pharisees speechless when He said "Give to Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser. But give to God what belongs to God." When they were trying to trap Him.

Huh?

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[QUOTE="RoflSponge"]Yes he did exist, but he wasn't the son of God and all that stuff, he just taught people to love each other.He was also a raptor.RoflSponge

Yes, that's all He taught. . .oh wait.:o

I know thats not all he taught, but thats the main message of what he was teaching.

He had some radical teachings too.

Did he exist ?

Did he turn water into wine ?

Was Jesus an Atheist ?

I just want a debate about jesus, not religions.

Etherninty

Probably

possibly . It would have taken a few months and some grapes though.

Was he an atheist? lol wut?

I believe in Jesus as a man, who lead people in a time where science was an unheard of concept. He provided answers in a time when people needed them. We have the answers now though, or most of them. All religion does these days is give people false hope and provide a grounds for war.

It's time we moved on. That, is my opinion.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

All of the written accounts of Jesus in the Bible are first hand accounts and also offered testimony by those who knew him best. Matthew wrote his gospel based on his own personal experiences and knowledge of Jesus and his life. That is the same for the rest of the Gospels. All of the New Testament is written by people who directly knew Jesus or knew those who knew him well. (Example: Paul didn't know Jesus personally but he did have much contact with Peter and many others who knew for a fact Jesus was who he said he was.) The writers of the New Testament did not find out about Jesus through bedtime stories. Jesus was the topic of the century and everyone knew about him and his accomplishments.

RoflSponge

Just because they're first hand accounts doesn't mean they're true. BTW your sig makes me sick, its basically saying you can kill someone and if you turn to God you're forgiven..

Someone had made the statement that what is written about Jesus was originally based off of oral tradition, that was my response to it. I just forgot to quote what I was replying to.

And what you say about my signature is true, God will forgive even a murderer. He won't forgive one who lives the life of sin but if one genuinely asks forgiveness (that means they try to change) then God will forgive. God doesn't care about our past if we are one of his. Where you are instulted by the scripture quoted in my sig, I am given assurance, assurance that God will love me no matter my past, he is only concerned with my present and future.