Your opinion on Taiji/Japanese Dolphin slaughter

As some of you may know the Japanese fisherman in Taiji, Japan fish dolphins for there meat. However IMO I dont think the way they capture the dolphins is humane and its cruel. The way they do it is to use harpoons and machetes to cut and stab the dolphins until they die. . I dont understand why they would be so cruel to dolphins I mean why would they torture these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q They are very imaginative and happy creatures that come to humans to play. The Japanese also brought a problem on there own people. In the 1950's a Japanese factory started dumping toxic wastes in there ocean. The fish were then infected followed by the dolphins, The Japanese ate the dolphins and there children became deformed. The Japanese also slit the throats of baby dolphins in front of there parents just because. The sad thing is that the fisherman say its tradition of Japan, but people in most cities when asked if they consider dolphin food, they said no thats disgusting, and then when told about what was happening in Taiji they had no idea it was happening.

So I ask whats your opinion on the slaughter of dolphins?

Those fishermen are a disgusting and filthy group of degenerates...

What would motivate them to kill Dolphins for poisoned meat, I have no idea. What would motivate them to kill something that makes little money in terms of food is beyond me...Most of Japan doesn't eat dolphin meat, only these jerks.

i could careless, its not my place to say what they can and cant kill for food-DirtySanchez-

It isn't a source of food and not eaten by most of the Japanese, it is more of a luxury and a poisonous one, poison that they have been giving to schools filled with young children. So you should care, even a little.

The whole situation disgusts me. It is a completely unnecessary thing, and one done in a completely inhumane and cruel way to creatures that have recently become considered the second smartest animals behind humans.

As some of you may know the Japanese fisherman in Taiji, Japan fish dolphins for there meat. However IMO I dont think the way they capture the dolphins is humane and its cruel. The way they do it is to use harpoons and machetes to cut and stab the dolphins until they die. . I dont understand why they would be so cruel to dolphins I mean why would they torture these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q They are very imaginative and happy creatures that come to humans to play. The Japanese also brought a problem on there own people. In the 1950's a Japanese factory started dumping toxic wastes in there ocean. The fish were then infected followed by the dolphins, The Japanese ate the dolphins and there children became deformed. The Japanese also slit the throats of baby dolphins in front of there parents just because. The sad thing is that the fisherman say its tradition of Japan, but people in most cities when asked if they consider dolphin food, they said no thats disgusting, and then when told about what was happening in Taiji they had no idea it was happening.

So I ask whats your opinion on the slaughter of dolphins?

IamnotBiased

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As some of you may know the Japanese fisherman in Taiji, Japan fish dolphins for there meat. However IMO I dont think the way they capture the dolphins is humane and its cruel. The way they do it is to use harpoons and machetes to cut and stab the dolphins until they die. . I dont understand why they would be so cruel to dolphins I mean why would they torture these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q They are very imaginative and happy creatures that come to humans to play. The Japanese also brought a problem on there own people. In the 1950's a Japanese factory started dumping toxic wastes in there ocean. The fish were then infected followed by the dolphins, The Japanese ate the dolphins and there children became deformed. The Japanese also slit the throats of baby dolphins in front of there parents just because. The sad thing is that the fisherman say its tradition of Japan, but people in most cities when asked if they consider dolphin food, they said no thats disgusting, and then when told about what was happening in Taiji they had no idea it was happening.

So I ask whats your opinion on the slaughter of dolphins?

Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons'

Dolphins have been declared the world's second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as "non-human person

Some traditions deserve to die out. People shouldn't have such a blasé attitude towards how another culture treats the animals of the world.

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[QUOTE="IamnotBiased"]

As some of you may know the Japanese fisherman in Taiji, Japan fish dolphins for there meat. However IMO I dont think the way they capture the dolphins is humane and its cruel. The way they do it is to use harpoons and machetes to cut and stab the dolphins until they die. . I dont understand why they would be so cruel to dolphins I mean why would they torture these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q They are very imaginative and happy creatures that come to humans to play. The Japanese also brought a problem on there own people. In the 1950's a Japanese factory started dumping toxic wastes in there ocean. The fish were then infected followed by the dolphins, The Japanese ate the dolphins and there children became deformed. The Japanese also slit the throats of baby dolphins in front of there parents just because. The sad thing is that the fisherman say its tradition of Japan, but people in most cities when asked if they consider dolphin food, they said no thats disgusting, and then when told about what was happening in Taiji they had no idea it was happening.

So I ask whats your opinion on the slaughter of dolphins?

SaintLeonidas

Unless dolphins are endangered there or something I couldn't care less. It's none of our business.

Meh. If we can kill pigs/cows we can kill dolphins, i dont understand why people grumble.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="carrot-cake"]
Yeah, no that didnt happen, sorry. The mercury poisoning was from eating fish, not dolphins, and it occured in a completely different place in Japan.
Anyway, its really no crueler than how animals are treated in slaughter houses and mass production farms.
I don't have any right to dictate how they should live their lives.

carrot-cake

Although he is wrong about some facts, that incident in which so many died due to mercury being dumped into the ocean was used by the film The Cove to show the effects mercury poisoning can have, and the fact that Japan knows all too well what these effects have done which makes the continued slaughter and selling of these dolphins, which have high levels of mercury, incredibly ridiculous. Also not all dolphins are endangered but some species are.

Either way, when you come to understand the level of intelligence of these dolphins, the way in which they are killed and the fact that there is absolutely NO REASON what so ever for them to be killed, I can not see how one could either support or not care even a little about the situation in Taiji.

Meh. If we can kill pigs/cows we can kill dolphins, i dont understand why people grumble.

Zerocrossings

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Meh. If we can kill pigs/cows we can kill dolphins, i dont understand why people grumble.

markop2003

Although one could say they are both wrong, there are differences.

First of all cows and pigs are actually a very large food source for millions where as most of the entire population of Japan doesn't eat dolphin.

The killing and selling of cows and pigs is a hugei ndustry and would be harder to stop, where as this Taiji situation is very small market in Japan and could easily be shut down.

Also not that it should justify one and not the other, but the intelligence of dolphins has recently been consideredto besecond to humans.

I'm not trying to justify the slaughter or pigs and cows, but it is not the same situation in my opinion.

I remember seeing a video in class of hundreds of dolphins being rounded up in Japan then slaughtered. Some of them were attached at the tail with rope and dragged throught the streets with motorcycles. It's one thing to kill a dolphin in a more humane manner and actually eat them but it's another to round up many dolphinsand torture them just because it is tradition. :(

I remember seeing a video in class of hundreds of dolphins being rounded up in Japan then slaughtered. Some of them were attached at the tail with rope and dragged throught the streets with motorcycles. It's one thing to kill a dolphin in a more humane manner and actually eat them but it's another to round up many dolphinsand torture them just because it is tradition. :(

astrozombie37

I despise the advocating of senseless cruelty through labeling it a 'tradition'. I don't understand why people respond by saying 'who are we to tell them how to behave'. Dolphins are not objects owned by the Japanese - they're animals of the world and should be everyone's responsibility.

I remember seeing a video in class of hundreds of dolphins being rounded up in Japan then slaughtered. Some of them were attached at the tail with rope and dragged throught the streets with motorcycles. It's one thing to kill a dolphin in a more humane manner and actually eat them but it's another to round up many dolphinsand torture them just because it is tradition. :(

astrozombie37

I could give a **** less. The Japanese can fish as they please.

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I remember seeing a video in class of hundreds of dolphins being rounded up in Japan then slaughtered. Some of them were attached at the tail with rope and dragged throught the streets with motorcycles. It's one thing to kill a dolphin in a more humane manner and actually eat them but it's another to round up many dolphinsand torture them just because it is tradition. :(

poptart

I despise the advocating of senseless cruelty through labeling it a 'tradition'. I don't understand why people respond by saying 'who are we to tell them how to behave'. Dolphins are not objects owned by the Japanese - they're animals of the world and should be everyone's responsibility.

There is a video on the web somewhere. The one I seen is pretty intense and this dolphin massacre happens every year.

They eat dolphine? Word. I am ok since they are not endangered species. But, endangered WHALES!!!!! Arggg,,,, those ******** need to get their head copped off.magicalclick

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[QUOTE="astrozombie37"]

I remember seeing a video in class of hundreds of dolphins being rounded up in Japan then slaughtered. Some of them were attached at the tail with rope and dragged throught the streets with motorcycles. It's one thing to kill a dolphin in a more humane manner and actually eat them but it's another to round up many dolphinsand torture them just because it is tradition. :(

astrozombie37

I despise the advocating of senseless cruelty through labeling it a 'tradition'. I don't understand why people respond by saying 'who are we to tell them how to behave'. Dolphins are not objects owned by the Japanese - they're animals of the world and should be everyone's responsibility.

There is a video on the web somewhere. The one I seen is pretty intense and this dolphin massacre happens every year.

There's an annual event in Denmark that's savage as well. Enlightening as they are, I do find it tough watching those kind of documentaries. Maybe I'll dig around for it when I'm feeling brave one day. What a wuss I am... :P

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]They eat dolphine? Word. I am ok since they are not endangered species. But, endangered WHALES!!!!! Arggg,,,, those ******** need to get their head copped off.SaintLeonidas

Indeed – senseless cruelty is just that, and it's irrelevant as the size of their population.

EDIT: And it amazes me when humans are responsible for the demise of a species of animal, then go forth and congratulate themselves when saving the very species they put on the brink of extinction.

It's like beating a stranger to near death, then taking him to the hospital and giving yourself a pat on the back because you saved his life.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]They eat dolphine? Word. I am ok since they are not endangered species. But, endangered WHALES!!!!! Arggg,,,, those ******** need to get their head copped off.magicalclick

To condemn the practice of eating dolphin meat but not condemn the practice of eating beef is hypocritical. Someone might not like the fact that some people eat dolphin meat because he or she likes dolphins, but keep in mind that cows are a sacred animal to one of the world's largest religions.

Meat is meat. Whether it's dolphin meat or beef, it's meat that some people consume as nourishment. People should not be condemned for their traditional foods. Cuisine is an essential part of culture, and to condemn a cuisine is to condemn a culture. To condemn a culture is a bigoted and reprehensible act.

Don't like how another culture eats or treats its animals? Well too bad, because it's their culture and it's their business. Outsiders have no place meddling in their culture. To try to impose one's cultural preference on another culture is imperialism, and imperialism has absolutely no place in the modern world.

Just as the Spanish carry on their heritage of bullfighting, the people of Taiji carry on their dolphin hunts. To the many people all around the world who carry on their cultural traditions in the face of opposition from nosy foreign activists: carry on brothers, and don't let a bunch of foreigners tell you what to do.

It's like when a bunch of British people get upset about the Spanish bullfights. It's ridiculous. They're Spanish, and they really don't care what the British think. They never have cared and they never will care.

[QUOTE="magicalclick"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] yeah...because we should definitely only wait to worry or care when a species is endangered...especially when they are highly intelligent and killed for no reason :roll:SaintLeonidas

I have an image in my mind of a pig that eats butts.

Also not that it should justify one and not the other, but the intelligence of dolphins has recently been consideredto besecond to humans.

SaintLeonidas

The value of a life is not determined by intelligence. In any hierarchical ranking of species intelligence, there is going to be a second place, no matter the species. To argue that second place on an intelligence ranking merits some sort of protection that other species don't get is arbitrary and makes no sense.

Your policy position is based on emotion, and emotion has no place in policy.

To condemn the practice of eating dolphin meat but not condemn the practice of eating beef is hypocritical. Someone might not like the fact that some people eat dolphin meat because he or she likes dolphins, but keep in mind that cows are a sacred animal to one of the world's largest religions.

Meat is meat. Whether it's dolphin meat or beef, it's meat that some people consume as nourishment. People should not be condemned for their traditional foods. Cuisine is an essential part of culture, and to condemn a cuisine is to condemn a culture. To condemn a culture is a bigoted and reprehensible act.

Don't like how another culture eats or treats its animals? Well too bad, because it's their culture and it's their business. Outsiders have no place meddling in their culture. To try to impose one's cultural preference on another culture is imperialism, and imperialism has absolutely no place in the modern world.

Just as the Spanish carry on their heritage of bullfighting, the people of Taiji carry on their dolphin hunts. To the many people all around the world who carry on their cultural traditions in the face of opposition from nosy foreign activists: carry on brothers, and don't let a bunch of foreigners tell you what to do.

It's like when a bunch of British people get upset about the Spanish bullfights. It's ridiculous. They're Spanish, and they really don't care what the British think. They never have cared and they never will care.

dkrustyklown

The difference is, every year in Japan hundreds of dolphins are rounded up and just slaughtered. At least here we eat the cows or pigs while they eat almost none of it. They do it simply because they believe it is tradition. They are doing this massacre in large quantities as opposed to a few.

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/educate.php

Thedifference is, every year in Japan hundreds of dolphins are rounded up and just slaughtered. At least here we eat the cows or pigs while they eat almost none of it. They do it simply because they believe it is tradition. They are doing this massacre in large quantities as opposed to a few.astrozombie37

I'm pretty sure that they eat the dolphins.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

To condemn the practice of eating dolphin meat but not condemn the practice of eating beef is hypocritical. Someone might not like the fact that some people eat dolphin meat because he or she likes dolphins, but keep in mind that cows are a sacred animal to one of the world's largest religions.

Meat is meat. Whether it's dolphin meat or beef, it's meat that some people consume as nourishment. People should not be condemned for their traditional foods. Cuisine is an essential part of culture, and to condemn a cuisine is to condemn a culture. To condemn a culture is a bigoted and reprehensible act.

Don't like how another culture eats or treats its animals? Well too bad, because it's their culture and it's their business. Outsiders have no place meddling in their culture. To try to impose one's cultural preference on another culture is imperialism, and imperialism has absolutely no place in the modern world.

Just as the Spanish carry on their heritage of bullfighting, the people of Taiji carry on their dolphin hunts. To the many people all around the world who carry on their cultural traditions in the face of opposition from nosy foreign activists: carry on brothers, and don't let a bunch of foreigners tell you what to do.

It's like when a bunch of British people get upset about the Spanish bullfights. It's ridiculous. They're Spanish, and they really don't care what the British think. They never have cared and they never will care.

astrozombie37

The difference is, every year in Japan hundreds of dolphins are rounded up and just slaughtered. At least here we eat the cows or pigs while they eat almost none of it. They do it simply because they believe it is tradition. They are doing this massacre in large quantities as opposed to a few.

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/educate.php

The big question is what do you want to do about it? There's nothing you can do either way, so just let them do what they do.

[QUOTE="astrozombie37"] Thedifference is, every year in Japan hundreds of dolphins are rounded up and just slaughtered. At least here we eat the cows or pigs while they eat almost none of it. They do it simply because they believe it is tradition. They are doing this massacre in large quantities as opposed to a few.dkrustyklown

I'm pretty sure that they eat the dolphins.

It's disgusting.

[QUOTE="astrozombie37"]

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

To condemn the practice of eating dolphin meat but not condemn the practice of eating beef is hypocritical. Someone might not like the fact that some people eat dolphin meat because he or she likes dolphins, but keep in mind that cows are a sacred animal to one of the world's largest religions.

Meat is meat. Whether it's dolphin meat or beef, it's meat that some people consume as nourishment. People should not be condemned for their traditional foods. Cuisine is an essential part of culture, and to condemn a cuisine is to condemn a culture. To condemn a culture is a bigoted and reprehensible act.

Don't like how another culture eats or treats its animals? Well too bad, because it's their culture and it's their business. Outsiders have no place meddling in their culture. To try to impose one's cultural preference on another culture is imperialism, and imperialism has absolutely no place in the modern world.

Just as the Spanish carry on their heritage of bullfighting, the people of Taiji carry on their dolphin hunts. To the many people all around the world who carry on their cultural traditions in the face of opposition from nosy foreign activists: carry on brothers, and don't let a bunch of foreigners tell you what to do.

It's like when a bunch of British people get upset about the Spanish bullfights. It's ridiculous. They're Spanish, and they really don't care what the British think. They never have cared and they never will care.

The difference is, every year in Japan hundreds of dolphins are rounded up and just slaughtered. At least here we eat the cows or pigs while they eat almost none of it. They do it simply because they believe it is tradition. They are doing this massacre in large quantities as opposed to a few.

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/educate.php

The big question is what do you want to do about it? There's nothing you can do either way, so just let them do what they do.

*ahem*

it was cow and chicken that dropped the atomic bombs on japan, not whale and dolphin

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

Also not that it should justify one and not the other, but the intelligence of dolphins has recently been consideredto besecond to humans.

dkrustyklown

The value of a life is not determined by intelligence. In any hierarchical ranking of species intelligence, there is going to be a second place, no matter the species. To argue that second place on an intelligence ranking merits some sort of protection that other species don't get is arbitrary and makes no sense.

Your policy position is based on emotion, and emotion has no place in policy.

It should be considered in some sort of way. Being intelligent does make mass slaughter, when the animal can comprehend the fear and pain, worse than if they were far less intelligent.Especially when they arenowconsidered by some to be non-human persons because they are so intelligent.Has nothing to do with emotion, when you take everything into consideration, to think it is an okay thing is ridiculous.

SaintLeonidas

Dolphins are not persons. A few crackpot scientists calling dolphins persons does not make them persons. Reality is not defined by unhinged scientists that have become far to emotionally involved in their work.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

Also not that it should justify one and not the other, but the intelligence of dolphins has recently been consideredto besecond to humans.

dkrustyklown

The value of a life is not determined by intelligence. In any hierarchical ranking of species intelligence, there is going to be a second place, no matter the species. To argue that second place on an intelligence ranking merits some sort of protection that other species don't get is arbitrary and makes no sense.

Your policy position is based on emotion, and emotion has no place in policy.

I don't understand how you can rationalize cruelty with such a blasé attitude. Surely cruelty is a term that we can define universally (and although the value of life is not determined by intelligence, the degree of cruelty is partially guided by the level intelligence a particular species possesses), and senseless cruelty we can agree on if it has no underlying practical purpose. To stand up and say cruelty is justified because 'it's their culture to be cruel' betrays the responsibility that we have as the animals atop the hierarchy of the animal kingdom, and as civilized beings.

Wow... Look at everyone comparing this to pigs and cows.... Not the same thing people.

It's an entirely different process.

It's the process that is disturbing.

Nothing to do with the fact that we kill to eat. :roll:

They don't. They do it because it is tradition and a form of pest control. They want as much fish a possible without the dolphins interfering. Have you seen the video of what they do to the dolphins?astrozombie37

They do eat the dolphins. The article that you linked does not challenge this. The article says that the motive is pest control, but it in no way challenges the fact that the dolphins are, in fact, consumed as food.

Wow... Look at everyone comparing this to pigs and cows.... Not the same thing people.

It's an entirely different process.

It's the process that is disturbing.

Nothing to do with the fact that we kill to eat. :roll:

Rikusaki

Yeah because all pig and cows get killed humanly.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

It should be considered in some sort of way. Being intelligent does make mass slaughter, when the animal can comprehend the fear and pain, worse than if they were far less intelligent.Especially when they arenowconsidered by some to be non-human persons because they are so intelligent.Has nothing to do with emotion, when you take everything into consideration, to think it is an okay thing is ridiculous.

Dolphins are not persons. A few crackpot scientists calling dolphins persons does not make them persons. Reality is not defined by unhinged scientists that have become far to emotionally involved in their work.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Wow... Look at everyone comparing this to pigs and cows.... Not the same thing people.

It's an entirely different process.

It's the process that is disturbing.

Nothing to do with the fact that we kill to eat. :roll:

Zerocrossings

Yeah because all pig and cows get killed humanly.