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#1 Hinata237
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CM PUNK FOR LIFE

I learned about the straight edge lifestyle before finding out about CM PUNK, and it's to never drink or smoke or do drugs that inflict damage on your health.
Im doing pretty okay on this...

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Straight Edge (also known as sXe, and xXx) refers to a life**** a personal commitment, a philosophy, and a subculture that is closely associated with hardcore punk music. Straight edgers abstain from recrational drugs, including tobacco and alcohol. Some followers of the straight-edge philosophy also abstain from promiscuous sex, the regular use of painkillers, and the intake of caffeine. Some also practice vegetarianism or veganism. Many have claimed to be deeply Spiritual, while still more associate themselves with Atheism, seeing religion as much of a mind-altering substance as drugs and alcohol.

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#2 sigphilwilson
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A Guinness a day will keep the doctor away
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#3 steppinrazor88
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i couldn't do it...I pop pills everyday and on the weekends im drunk all day :?
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#4 Ale_22
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I havent done any drugs yet, I dont drink, I never planned it drugs just dont interest me.
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#5 someotherguy654
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How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?
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#6 Silchas
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? explain please
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#7 helium_flash
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I have no problem, as long as they don't try to ruin the party by telling everyone else to be straight edge.
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#8 Hinata237
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How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?someotherguy654
A few times. These kids at school always get almsot everyone to drink somehow.... don't get me to do it though.
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#9 Hinata237
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? explain pleaseSilchas
Oops. Forgot to explain in the first post. I'll edit it.
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#10 crucifine
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It's alright if you keep it to yourself, but if you preach about it to other people who choose not to be straight edge, then you've crossed a line.  I've met a few people who take it as their personal mission to stop me from doing a few (harmless, I might add) drugs.  But on the other hand, I get along just fine with all the other straight edge people.
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"]How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?Hinata237
A few times. These kids at school always get almsot everyone to drink somehow.... don't get me to do it though.

So, were you straight-edge before you found out about it?
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#12 xhellcatx
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streight edgers...XXX-ers...and I ...we dont get along so great :| I am punk (so ive been told...screw stereotypes though...((as i dont know if this is a contradictory post lol but...yea)), I like my booze, and I like muscle relaxers on occasion (its never anything addictive though and it really really helps with the pain in my knees). o_o.
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#13 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"]How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?someotherguy654
A few times. These kids at school always get almsot everyone to drink somehow.... don't get me to do it though.

So, were you straight-edge before you found out about it?

Didn't actually drink or some so yeah.
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#14 Silchas
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Ok, thanks for the edit ;) I guess i am a bit "straight edge"
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#15 someotherguy654
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"]How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?Hinata237
A few times. These kids at school always get almsot everyone to drink somehow.... don't get me to do it though.

So, were you straight-edge before you found out about it?

Didn't actually drink or some so yeah.

So you just happened to find out that you were straight-edge?
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#16 xhellcatx
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It's alright if you keep it to yourself, but if you preach about it to other people who choose not to be straight edge, then you've crossed a line.  I've met a few people who take it as their personal mission to stop me from doing a few (harmless, I might add) drugs.  But on the other hand, I get along just fine with all the other straight edge people.crucifine
this is why streight edgers and i dont get along. Most of them try to force me to not drink and what not...and they take it too far...A LOT. Especially with this scene. There have been many-a-brawl over the whole thing. (so much for trying to protect their health...)
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#17 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"]How many times have you been offered drugs or alcohol?someotherguy654
A few times. These kids at school always get almsot everyone to drink somehow.... don't get me to do it though.

So, were you straight-edge before you found out about it?

Didn't actually drink or some so yeah.

So you just happened to find out that you were straight-edge?

Yeah:D
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streight edgers...XXX-ers...and I ...we dont get along so great :| I am punk (so ive been told...screw stereotypes though...((as i dont know if this is a contradictory post lol but...yea)), I like my booze, and I like muscle relaxers on occasion (its never anything addictive though and it really really helps with the pain in my knees). o_o. xhellcatx
you're my type of person!! (we should hang out some time and pop teh pills 8) )
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#19 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="crucifine"]It's alright if you keep it to yourself, but if you preach about it to other people who choose not to be straight edge, then you've crossed a line.  I've met a few people who take it as their personal mission to stop me from doing a few (harmless, I might add) drugs.  But on the other hand, I get along just fine with all the other straight edge people.xhellcatx
this is why streight edgers and i dont get along. Most of them try to force me to not drink and what not...and they take it too far...A LOT. Especially with this scene. There have been many-a-brawl over the whole thing. (so much for trying to protect their health...)

I don't preach about it like alot of other do:lol:
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#20 someotherguy654
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.
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#21 Celldrax
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As far as I'm concerned, it's heaps better being straight-edge.
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#22 ArmoredAshes
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CM PUNK FOR LIFE

I learned about the straight edge lifestyle before finding out about CM PUNK, and it's to never drink or smoke or do drugs that inflict damage on your health.
Im doing pretty okay on this...

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Straight Edge (also known as sXe, and xXx) refers to a life**** a personal commitment, a philosophy, and a subculture that is closely associated with hardcore punk music. Straight edgers abstain from recrational drugs, including tobacco and alcohol. Some followers of the straight-edge philosophy also abstain from promiscuous sex, the regular use of painkillers, and the intake of caffeine. Some also practice vegetarianism or veganism. Many have claimed to be deeply Spiritual, while still more associate themselves with Atheism, seeing religion as much of a mind-altering substance as drugs and alcohol.

Hinata237

you're letting a wrestler who is most likely not really like that off camera change your life? And by the way...labels are for soup cans not people.

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#23 xhellcatx
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]streight edgers...XXX-ers...and I ...we dont get along so great :| I am punk (so ive been told...screw stereotypes though...((as i dont know if this is a contradictory post lol but...yea)), I like my booze, and I like muscle relaxers on occasion (its never anything addictive though and it really really helps with the pain in my knees). o_o. steppinrazor88
you're my type of person!! (we should hang out some time and pop teh pills 8) )

lol i usually do tend for the non addictive ones though. I also havent done it in a while..not since my husbands been off to war since i gotta be teh responsible one for now.....but im going on vacation in june - july. YAY FOR BOOZE!
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[QUOTE="steppinrazor88"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]streight edgers...XXX-ers...and I ...we dont get along so great :| I am punk (so ive been told...screw stereotypes though...((as i dont know if this is a contradictory post lol but...yea)), I like my booze, and I like muscle relaxers on occasion (its never anything addictive though and it really really helps with the pain in my knees). o_o. xhellcatx
you're my type of person!! (we should hang out some time and pop teh pills 8) )

lol i usually do tend for the non addictive ones though. I also havent done it in a while..not since my husbands been off to war since i gotta be teh responsible one for now.....but im going on vacation in june - july. YAY FOR BOOZE!

i'm not addicted...*pops a pill* .....but yea man beer ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
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#25 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.
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#26 LoeJance
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haha im getting 40's (40 oz. of beer) tomorrow and weed. Im definatly not straight edge
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#27 Lockedge
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I don't drink booze. I don't smoke anything. I don't do drugs. I don't consider myself straight-edge though. I'm not a punk.
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#28 someotherguy654
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.

Have you ever had a caffeinated drink?
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#29 xhellcatx
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="crucifine"]It's alright if you keep it to yourself, but if you preach about it to other people who choose not to be straight edge, then you've crossed a line.  I've met a few people who take it as their personal mission to stop me from doing a few (harmless, I might add) drugs.  But on the other hand, I get along just fine with all the other straight edge people.Hinata237
this is why streight edgers and i dont get along. Most of them try to force me to not drink and what not...and they take it too far...A LOT. Especially with this scene. There have been many-a-brawl over the whole thing. (so much for trying to protect their health...)

I don't preach about it like alot of other do:lol:

well word of caution, careful who you hang out with, cause a lot of the times it seems they will go out looking for trouble. The ones I know are extremely confrontational about their beliefs and trying to force it on others. A few make it their "religion" instead of just a life style, and thats where they cross the line and contradict themselves. They dont like to have their minds altered, but they try to alter others minds. :| BUT, I try to just get to know people before judging them. If you want to life LIKE the life-style..and just keep it to the life style, then kudos to you. BUT, i like my beer and such and im definatly old enough to make the decision if i want to drink it or not. (obviously over 21).
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#30 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.

Have you ever had a caffeinated drink?

Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...
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#31 Greatgone12
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"]

CM PUNK FOR LIFE

I learned about the straight edge lifestyle before finding out about CM PUNK, and it's to never drink or smoke or do drugs that inflict damage on your health.
Im doing pretty okay on this...

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Straight Edge (also known as sXe, and xXx) refers to a life**** a personal commitment, a philosophy, and a subculture that is closely associated with hardcore punk music. Straight edgers abstain from recrational drugs, including tobacco and alcohol. Some followers of the straight-edge philosophy also abstain from promiscuous sex, the regular use of painkillers, and the intake of caffeine. Some also practice vegetarianism or veganism. Many have claimed to be deeply Spiritual, while still more associate themselves with Atheism, seeing religion as much of a mind-altering substance as drugs and alcohol.

ArmoredAshes

you're letting a wrestler who is most likely not really like that off camera change your life? And by the way...labels are for soup cans not people.

Hardcore punks=musicians.

They're really good about keeping up with it, too. I know a guy like that.

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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="steppinrazor88"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]streight edgers...XXX-ers...and I ...we dont get along so great :| I am punk (so ive been told...screw stereotypes though...((as i dont know if this is a contradictory post lol but...yea)), I like my booze, and I like muscle relaxers on occasion (its never anything addictive though and it really really helps with the pain in my knees). o_o. steppinrazor88
you're my type of person!! (we should hang out some time and pop teh pills 8) )

lol i usually do tend for the non addictive ones though. I also havent done it in a while..not since my husbands been off to war since i gotta be teh responsible one for now.....but im going on vacation in june - july. YAY FOR BOOZE!

i'm not addicted...*pops a pill* .....but yea man beer ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

lol yes. yes it does. BUT...im pretty much just a social drinker. Drinking alone makes me feel pretty pathetic. It makes the time with my friends more fun it seems. especially when we go bowling ^_^
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#33 someotherguy654
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"] Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

Yeah, I'll stop bothering you about it. Thanks for answering me.
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#34 SinkO
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It's alright. But I really hate it when some straight edgers think they are somehow better than others. I mean just a couple of weeks ago I went to a local punk concert, and there were some straight edgers with their fancy X's on their arms. One of them saw me enjoying a nice beer and a smoke, and the fool came and started to preach to me all kinds of crap about his lifestyle, even though I know plenty of it since I have few friends who are straight edgers themselves. When I told the guy that it's really my own choice to drink alcohol and smoke, he nearly punched me to the face. I mean I'm pretty sure thatIan MacKaye didn't mean that you should come and force the straight edge down people's throats. :?
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

Yeah, I'll stop bothering you about it. Thanks for answering me.

No problem. I love to answer questions and respond to hate mail:lol:
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.

Have you ever had a caffeinated drink?

Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

*gigglz* you were a poser! ...:lol: ....BUT its alright. ^_^ i just kid :) you can still keep most of the values from it and still be a "better person" if thats what you want
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#37 someotherguy654
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

Yeah, I'll stop bothering you about it. Thanks for answering me.

No problem. I love to answer questions and respond to hate mail:lol:

I don't hate you. >_>
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#38 Hinata237
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It's alright. But I really hate it when some straight edgers think they are somehow better than others. I mean just a couple of weeks ago I went to a local punk concert, and there were some straight edgers with their fancy X's on their arms. One of them saw me enjoying a nice beer and a smoke, and the fool came and started to preach to me all kinds of crap about his lifestyle, even though I know plenty of it since I have few friends who are straight edgers themselves. When I told the guy that it's really my own choice to drink alcohol and smoke, he nearly punched me to the face. I mean I'm pretty sure thatIan MacKaye didn't mean that you should come and force the straight edge down people's throats. :?SinkO
LMAO, I wouldn't punch someone for drinking:lol:
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#39 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

Yeah, I'll stop bothering you about it. Thanks for answering me.

No problem. I love to answer questions and respond to hate mail:lol:

I don't hate you. >_>

I know, I get occasional hate mail when I tell about myself. Well, not hate mail but negative feedback when im talking to someone.
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guess what guys??? the mods are emo bashers :cry: (I don't care anymore...I can't believe this... :| )
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It's alright. But I really hate it when some straight edgers think they are somehow better than others. I mean just a couple of weeks ago I went to a local punk concert, and there were some straight edgers with their fancy X's on their arms. One of them saw me enjoying a nice beer and a smoke, and the fool came and started to preach to me all kinds of crap about his lifestyle, even though I know plenty of it since I have few friends who are straight edgers themselves. When I told the guy that it's really my own choice to drink alcohol and smoke, he nearly punched me to the face. I mean I'm pretty sure thatIan MacKaye didn't mean that you should come and force the straight edge down people's throats. :?SinkO
I hate that too. They think they're all High and mighty. so im a pot head, so what? haha I just watched Dazed and Confused again, I love that movie.
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#42 staindcoldlp
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I live a straight edge lifestyle myself (No drinking, drugs, or promiscuous sex). I'm one of those rare straight edge kids that doesn't proudly display it and preach to others. We all make different choices in life. If you do drugs, I don't care. All my friends do drugs.
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#43 Hinata237
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.

Have you ever had a caffeinated drink?

Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

*gigglz* you were a poser! ...:lol: ....BUT its alright. ^_^ i just kid :) you can still keep most of the values from it and still be a "better person" if thats what you want

I don't care if im a poser lol, im not going to become a vegitarian if it tells me too
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#44 SinkO
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LMAO, I wouldn't punch someone for drinking:lol:Hinata237


Yeah but that's how some of them are. That really wasn't the first time when something like that happened to me. Of course not all of them are like that, in fact most of the straight edgers I know are some of the nicest people I have ever met. But I'll have to admit that I don't use any pretty words when I tell them to go away. But that's what I do to anyone who comes to me and starts preaching. :P
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#45 DuffGuy
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I don't drink booze. I don't smoke anything. I don't do drugs.
I don't consider myself straight-edge though. I'm not a punk.Lockedge

I used to be passionate about wearing the label, but grew up and got tired of it being a part of who I was. I've just dropped the label completely, since it's exactly that -- a label -- and nothing more. When you preach straight edge or try to covertly slip it into who you are so that people will see it, you're trying to push a holier-than-thou agenda. I know. I used to be that way.

 Once I realized that I wanted to just keep to myself and really make it my own choice, I stopped the whole "True til Death!" ordeal. Backing out of that allowed me to try drinking without fear of feeling I had "sold out," and I have reaffirmed that drinking just isn't for me since then. Also, dropping the whole label allowed me to drop this whole stigma I had built in that all people who drink, use or smoke (tobacco or otherwise) are horrible people. It's just not the truth. In that sense, straight edge only clouds your mind, which contradicts the label's goal of trying to clear it.

So, in short, straight edge sucks. Just keep to yourself.

 

EDIT: Fixed the wall of text. 

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It's alright. But I really hate it when some straight edgers think they are somehow better than others. I mean just a couple of weeks ago I went to a local punk concert, and there were some straight edgers with their fancy X's on their arms. One of them saw me enjoying a nice beer and a smoke, and the fool came and started to preach to me all kinds of crap about his lifestyle, even though I know plenty of it since I have few friends who are straight edgers themselves. When I told the guy that it's really my own choice to drink alcohol and smoke, he nearly punched me to the face. I mean I'm pretty sure thatIan MacKaye didn't mean that you should come and force the straight edge down people's throats. :?SinkO
ive been in the same exact situation :( happened to ME at a subhumans concert. Im im just a tiny little thing! i almost got flattened on the edge of the mosh pit x_x and this guy comes over and says "YOU SHOULDNT SMOKE"...and blah blah blah streight edge blah. then I told him, "Listen. Its my choice. now go away" ....he got pretty mad and looked like he was gonna punch me. I glared right back at him though and went toe to toe with him and said 'i ------- dare you' o_o ...he walked away angrily hehe ^_^...i miss those days :|
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#47 Fortier
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Straight edge is fine for those who believe it...obviously. The question is how many of them can hold to their commitment for as long as they want to pursue it. It wouldn't work for me though...Freedom's just another drink, don't leave me hangin' dry...
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#48 xhellcatx
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[QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"][QUOTE="someotherguy654"][QUOTE="Hinata237"] Yeah:D

It doesn't work like that.

Ever since I found out about it, I changed by putting tape on my hands and putting black X's on them :lol: and I have a serious thing about drinking. Before I was just thinking "I would drink sooner or later" but now, I made a goal to never drink or smoke.

Have you ever had a caffeinated drink?

Im not fully straight edge because I drink a soda occasionally.... dang it...

*gigglz* you were a poser! ...:lol: ....BUT its alright. ^_^ i just kid :) you can still keep most of the values from it and still be a "better person" if thats what you want

I don't care if im a poser lol, im not going to become a vegitarian if it tells me too

lol i was just kidding anyhow..and thats good that you wouldnt change yourself for it. make your own goals ^_^ be YOU :D
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#49 Hinata237
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Prepare too see more religous type threads by me:lol: Just kidding.
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#50 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I don't drink booze. I don't smoke anything. I don't do drugs.
I don't consider myself straight-edge though. I'm not a punk.DuffGuy


I used to be passionate about wearing the label, but grew up and got tired of it being a part of who I was. I've just dropped the label completely, since it's exactly that -- a label -- and nothing more. When you preach straight edge or try to covertly slip it into who you are so that people will see it, you're trying to push a holier-than-thou agenda. I know. I used to be that way.

Once I realized that I wanted to just keep to myself and really make it my own choice, I stopped the whole "True til Death!" ordeal. Backing out of that allowed me to try drinking without fear of feeling I had "sold out," and I have reaffirmed that drinking just isn't for me since then. Also, dropping the whole label allowed me to drop this whole stigma I had built in that all people who drink, use or smoke (tobacco or otherwise) are horrible people. It's just not the truth. In that sense, straight edge only clouds your mind, which contradicts the label's goal of trying to clear it.

So, in short, straight edge sucks. Just keep to yourself.

 

EDIT: Fixed the wall of text.


Aye. I have reasons for why I don't do what I don't do. I don't drink because I hate the taste of alcohol, and I wouldn't trust myself to act appropriately if I did. I don't smoke because I feel ill with even the smell of smoke. I don't do drugs because...well, I don't see the point. They're very expensive as well. And I'm crazy enough as is. I don't really look down on anyone for anything they do, only if they use it as an excuse for their behaviour. For instance, my brother and his best friend were at a yearly festival with their girlfriends, and late that night he saw his best friend making out with some other girl, so he got a tad upset and decided to find the girls and all go home. They got to the van, my brother got in the driver's seat with the window down, and his best friend proceeded to beat the living **** out of my brother from outside, then disappeared back into the festival. He blamed it on the amount of alcohol he had. That's disgusting.