Your take on people who don't support the soldiers (poll)

Now this isn't asking on whether or not you support the war, it's about the soldiers only. Your take?

I support the soldiers I know and have met...

But when you use such a broad term as " S'port the TROOPS!" you have to realize you're also talking about the soldiers who rape, murder, and kill innocent people. Or...shoot Pat Tillman in the back of the head for disagreeing.

To each his own for all people are individuals.

I have no problem with soldiers.....haven't seen you in awhile.LJS9502_basic

Hah, yeah ive been busy lately so I dont have too much time to post. I try to when i get a chance though.

I support the soldiers I know and have met...

But when you use such a broad term as " S'port the TROOPS!" you have to realize you're also talking about the soldiers who rape, murder, and kill innocent people. Or...shoot Pat Tillman in the back of the head for disagreeing.

To each his own for all people are individuals.

D9-THC

We have a curfew in Japan cause a marine raped a little girl over there. Becasue of him, the rest of us have to pay.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]

I support the soldiers I know and have met...

But when you use such a broad term as " S'port the TROOPS!" you have to realize you're also talking about the soldiers who rape, murder, and kill innocent people. Or...shoot Pat Tillman in the back of the head for disagreeing.

To each his own for all people are individuals.

jngbb

We have a curfew in Japan cause a marine raped a little girl over there. Becasue of him, the rest of us have to pay.

Well of course excluding those who rape..

Each to his own.

It's not as if we live in some kind of fascist nationalistic state...

uh.. i'm sure there are some bad people in the military. so i can not make blanket statements like "i support all the troops" the ones that are good people and trying to make the best of a ---- situation our gov't put them in, yes i'll support them.

uh.. i'm sure there are some bad people in the military. so i can not make blanket statements like "i support all the troops" the ones that are good people and trying to make the best of a ---- situation our gov't put them in, yes i'll support them.

comp_atkins

For the record....saying you support the troops doesn't mean you support individuals that engage in illegal activities.:roll:

Most of the soldiers I've met are classy guys.They aren't bad peoplegenerally speaking,though I can't understand why they would enter into that sort of profession. My family sends the guys over in Iraq a treasure trove of Girl Scout Cookies every now and then... I'm envious.

Most of the soldiers I've met are classy guys.They aren't bad peoplegenerally speaking,though I can't understand why they would enter into that sort of profession. My family sends the guys over in Iraq a treasure trove of Girl Scout Cookies every now and then... I'm envious.

EboyLOL

It's a job....and it helps pay for an education.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]

Most of the soldiers I've met are classy guys.They aren't bad peoplegenerally speaking,though I can't understand why they would enter into that sort of profession. My family sends the guys over in Iraq a treasure trove of Girl Scout Cookies every now and then... I'm envious.

LJS9502_basic

It's a job....and it helps pay for an education.

A lot of jobs do that. I meant that I don't understand why people would sign up for a job that involves killing people. I know that not all positions in the military do that, just the idea though... EboyLOL

If no one signed up there'd be a draft. And the percentage that have to kill is actually rather small.And it's kill or be killed. Self preservation is a motivater.

Not everyone can get a decent job.:|

Speaking from experience I can say that we love and appreciate the support that 99% of the country gives us. The other 1%, it's fine if you don't support us or the war, thatsone of the basic American freedomsthat we're fighting to defend after all.

The only problem I have is with guys who leave the military and then criticise it. You joined the military, now you're upset because you had to go to war? That's the whole freaking point of joining. College benefits, a steady paycheck and travel opportunities are parts of the job that recruiters sell you to sweeten the deal, yes that's true. But if you joined the military and didn't expect to seriously have to kill someone else to defend your own life or the lives of your friends, then you're an idiot.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]A lot of jobs do that. I meant that I don't understand why people would sign up for a job that involves killing people. I know that not all positions in the military do that, just the idea though... LJS9502_basic

If no one signed up there'd be a draft. And the percentage that have to kill is actually rather small.And it's kill or be killed. Self preservation is a motivater.

Not everyone can get a decent job.:|

I support the troops themselves, but not the cause they're being sent out to fulfill.

But, in the immortal words of John Lennon (he sang for the Beatles, right?): Let it be.

If no one signed up there'd be a draft. LJS9502_basic

Given, but that doesn't mean people should want to go. I have a feeling that those who sign up aren't thinking"if I don't go, then there is going to be a draft anyway, so I might as well".

And the percentage that have to kill is actually rather small.LJS9502_basic

The percentage of those that actually have to kill may be small, but I wouldbe surprisedifsomeone signed up thinkingthat that is not a possibility. You sign up, get trained to use different weapons and how to kill someone quickly. You do the math.

And it's kill or be killed. Self preservation is a motivater. LJS9502_basic

A betterway to preserve oneself is to not risk going into that situation in the first place. And you purposefully put yourself in that "kill or be killed" situation by signing up m'right?

I'm alsosaying thisout of opinion, so you don't need to waste time trying to convince me otherwise.

[QUOTE="ninjacat11"]

I support the troops themselves, but not the cause they're being sent out to fulfill.

But, in the immortal words of John Lennon (he sang for the Beatles, right?): Let it be.

THETRUEDOZAH

I stand corrected.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If no one signed up there'd be a draft. EboyLOL

Given, but that doesn't mean people should want to go. I have a feeling that those who sign up aren't thinking"if I don't go, then there is going to be a draft anyway, so I might as well".

And the percentage that have to kill is actually rather small.LJS9502_basic

The percentage of those that actually have to kill may be small, but I wouldbe surprisedifsomeone signed up thinkingthat that is not a possibility. You sign up, get trained to use different weapons and how to kill someone quickly. You do the math.

And it's kill or be killed. Self preservation is a motivater. LJS9502_basic

A betterway to preserve oneself is to not risk going into that situation in the first place. And you purposefully put yourself in that "kill or be killed" situation by signing up m'right?

I'm alsosaying thisout of opinion, so you don't need to waste time trying to convince me otherwise.

For your third response...see the second comment. There is nothing wrong with serving. Not having those to do so would change your life certainly.

I don't, because the soldiers themselves support war andrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.hungrycow

I don't, because the soldiers themselves support war andrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.hungrycow

[QUOTE="hungrycow"]I don't, because the soldiers themselves support warandrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.Def_Jef88

I don't support ANY of the soldiers that helped in invading Iraq because none of them had to do it. It's not like the government was telling them it's war or prison or another country was invading us. There is 100% no reason to go to war. That's why any dead soldiers in this specific war or any other unnecessary war does not have my sympathy.

the fact of this matter:

if the american public knew the extent to which their government was deceiving them, not a single person would actually agree with our forgein policy, except those who will, and are now, actually benefiting from it.

THETRUEDOZAH

"What luck, for rulers, that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="hungrycow"]I don't, because the soldiers themselves support warandrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.hungrycow

I don't support ANY of the soldiers that helped in invading Iraq because none of them had to do it. It's not like the government was telling them it's war or prison or another country was invading us. There is 100% no reason to go to war. That's why any dead soldiers in this specific war or any other unnecessary war does not have my sympathy.

You do realize that someone who is the military that fails to follow an order is subject to the UMCJ and will be sentenaced to serve time in military prison. There are many people who serve in the military that do not agree with what the administration has done, but it is their job and they DON'T have a choice until it is time to re-enlist.

I support the soldiers I know and have met...

But when you use such a broad term as " S'port the TROOPS!" you have to realize you're also talking about the soldiers who rape, murder, and kill innocent people. Or...shoot Pat Tillman in the back of the head for disagreeing.

To each his own for all people are individuals.

D9-THC

You know nothing about the Pat Tillman situation so I suggest that you don't make accusations like that.

[QUOTE="hungrycow"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="hungrycow"]I don't, because the soldiers themselves support warandrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.dlp21

I don't support ANY of the soldiers that helped in invading Iraq because none of them had to do it. It's not like the government was telling them it's war or prison or another country was invading us. There is 100% no reason to go to war. That's why any dead soldiers in this specific war or any other unnecessary war does not have my sympathy.

You do realize that someone who is the military that fails to follow an order is subject to the UMCJ and will be sentenaced to serve time in military prison. There are many people who serve in the military that do not agree with what the administration has done, but it is their job and they DON'T have a choice until it is time to re-enlist.

But they signed up for the military. They signed up for it. The military is an army which INVADES OTHER COUNTRIES AND KILLS AND RAPES INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING. We don't have any country invading us at the moment so it's not necessary to join the military. How could they not deserve what they signed up for?

But they signed up for the military. They signed up for it. The military is an army which INVADES OTHER COUNTRIES AND KILLS AND RAPES INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING. We don't have any country invading us at the moment so it's not necessary to join the military. How could they not deserve what they signed up for?

hungrycow

No one involved in the invasion of either Iraq or Afghanastan new that we were going to invade those countries. You can not blame a single soldier(especially the enlisted).

Many soldiers do a job because someone has to do it, and if they didn't do it, you know what would happen, they would draft people to do it. So you should thank the brave soldiers who put themselves out there to prevent people like you from being drafted.

[QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="hungrycow"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="hungrycow"]I don't, because the soldiers themselves support warandrisk their lives for the political agenda of some politicians. In a way they deserve the bullets that are coming from them. This might be different when another countryinvades us or conscription.hungrycow

I don't support ANY of the soldiers that helped in invading Iraq because none of them had to do it. It's not like the government was telling them it's war or prison or another country was invading us. There is 100% no reason to go to war. That's why any dead soldiers in this specific war or any other unnecessary war does not have my sympathy.

You do realize that someone who is the military that fails to follow an order is subject to the UMCJ and will be sentenaced to serve time in military prison. There are many people who serve in the military that do not agree with what the administration has done, but it is their job and they DON'T have a choice until it is time to re-enlist.

But they signed up for the military. They signed up for it. The military is an army which INVADES OTHER COUNTRIES AND KILLS AND RAPES INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING. We don't have any country invading us at the moment so it's not necessary to join the military. How could they not deserve what they signed up for?

what if you sign up for the army before a war even starts. A war starts and you are forced (by your contract) to go? it really is prison or war. They believe in what they are doing, that's why people sign up for the army. Your views are very narrow-minded and flat out wrong.

I disagree with the war and those supporting it but i do support the soldiers who have been forced into fighting in a war that there was no need to start in the first place. It just seems and unecessary waste of life and money in my opinion.

It's easy to say "oh the soldiers could just turn around and say no i dont want to fight" but then thats classed as some form of treason and most likely punishable with a prison sentence and being labelled a traitor. That and a soldiers job isn't to question his/her orders but to carry them out to the best of his/her ability.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If no one signed up there'd be a draft. EboyLOL

Given, but that doesn't mean people should want to go. I have a feeling that those who sign up aren't thinking"if I don't go, then there is going to be a draft anyway, so I might as well".

And the percentage that have to kill is actually rather small.LJS9502_basic

The percentage of those that actually have to kill may be small, but I wouldbe surprisedifsomeone signed up thinkingthat that is not a possibility. You sign up, get trained to use different weapons and how to kill someone quickly. You do the math.

And it's kill or be killed. Self preservation is a motivater. LJS9502_basic

A betterway to preserve oneself is to not risk going into that situation in the first place. And you purposefully put yourself in that "kill or be killed" situation by signing up m'right?

I'm alsosaying thisout of opinion, so you don't need to waste time trying to convince me otherwise.

to the first part, I didn't think of it that way when I enlisted. You're right on that. None of us did.

on the sedond part, yeah we all realized that there's a possibility of having to defend ourselves (I was a combat reporter). However, we're trained in Defense, not Offense.

lastly, he's right, it's kill or be killed. and you're right. self preservation is not putting yourself in that sort of situation. But I'd rather it be me than the people I love out there doing it.

This is from my point of view (I was enlisted in the army national guard). I didn't make it through training because I got a knee injury that wasn't repairable. My fiance enlisted when I did and when they asked him, he said the same thing I did to pretty much the same points that you pointed out.

We do it because somebody has to and there will be wars whether we agree with them or not. I'd rather fight them over there than here whether or not I agree with them. And I'd rather know that I know how to defend my family rather than put their lives in someone else's hands.