Your thoughts on stem cell research.

I want to know what others think about stem cell research.

I think that it should be allowed 100%. I think that the fetus isnt a human being yet, and its aborted anyway, why not put it to some use? Otherwise they just throw it away. I dont understand the President banning it. He's using his religion as a veil to take away the ability to ease pain and suffering from other human beings. If you can ease the pain of another, why not? There is no gain in letting aborted fetus' go to waste when they could be used for incredible good. There is the possibility of curing cancer, parkinson's, alzheimer's, restoring degenerative tissue, etc. The possibilites are endless.

What do you guys think about this issue?

Shouldnt be allowed.Tjeremiah1988

Why, other than your religion. It's not even a human yet. a faint heartbeat doesnt mean your'e a human being yet. And should we just let the aborted fetus' go to waste instead of using them for good?

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Shouldnt be allowed.hillelslovak

Why, other than your religion. It's not even a human yet. a faint heartbeat doesnt mean your'e a human being yet. And should we just let the aborted fetus' go to waste instead of using them for good?

well seeing as I havent heard much about it in year, i shouldnt have said what I did. Maybe this thread will educate me more on this subject :)

It's a real tough debate, and since nobody thats Pro-Life has put up a valid arguement, I'll put one up for you guys. When you say, "It's not human yet" what do you mean? During what part of the fetus' life is it officially human? After all, it is a living organism if not "human" if we classify microscopic cells into certain forms of life, why not with the human fetus, after all, it is life, and we should treat it accordingly.

But in reality, what is George Bush's action against stem cell reasearch, he says that it should not be done, instead, just throw away the fetus. What's the point in that really? If we have to advance then we need to make use of resources that are given to us, and it is curcial that we dont "dispose" of our rescoures that just might find a cure for major diseases like cancer.

I think reasearch should go forth on Stem cell's, as long as its in the name of science. Right?

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Shouldnt be allowed.hillelslovak

Why, other than your religion. It's not even a human yet. a faint heartbeat doesnt mean your'e a human being yet. And should we just let the aborted fetus' go to waste instead of using them for good?

You forget that the young child to be born has all the capacity that you and I have to learn and grow. Some will also change the world. Stem cell research justs creeps me I out. We have yet to solve the morale issues that come with. Would you let a clone to born so you could harvest they organs? Our how about creating a clone army. No one would care if they died, they are just clones after all. History teaches us that when we do not have a grasp on technology we will get burned. Clone research has no boundaries, that is scary.:?

sadly people only focus on emybronic stem cell research which has been a flop, we have put too much money into this and it has barely given results.

Adult stem cell research requires no moral objection and its actually helping people. Adult stem cell research ftw

Embryonic stem cell research FTL.

Adult and especially Umbilical Cord stem cell research FTW!

I like Umbilical Cord stem cell research because the baby gets to live and all babies have one when their born so we'll have much more stem cells to go around. The umbilical cord is thrown away when they cut it off, waisting valuable cells. Why not put them to good use? Its a win-win for everybody!

Its stunning our scientific growth. Tjhats like saying "no, I don't want science to advance. Let all the other countries rise above, further concreting the statement "The US of A is one of the dumbest industrialized nationsDivergeUnify

It's not about science, it's about power. If you honestly believe that embryonic stem cells are the holy grail of medical research, you have clearly already been drafted by the most powerful propoganda machine.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Its stunning our scientific growth. Tjhats like saying "no, I don't want science to advance. Let all the other countries rise above, further concreting the statement "The US of A is one of the dumbest industrialized nationsguynamedbilly

It's not about science, it's about power. If you honestly believe that embryonic stem cells are the holy grail of medical research, you have clearly already been drafted by the most powerful propoganda machine.

Embryonic stem cell research FTL.

Adult and especially Umbilical Cord stem cell research FTW!

I like Umbilical Cord stem cell research because the baby gets to live and all babies have one when their born so we'll have much more stem cells to go around. The umbilical cord is thrown away when they cut it off, waisting valuable cells. Why not put them to good use? Its a win-win for everybody!

Ezgam3r

The fetus is thrown away also when its aborted, why not use that too instead of tossing them in the garbage?

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Its stunning our scientific growth. Tjhats like saying "no, I don't want science to advance. Let all the other countries rise above, further concreting the statement "The US of A is one of the dumbest industrialized nationsguynamedbilly

It's not about science, it's about power. If you honestly believe that embryonic stem cells are the holy grail of medical research, you have clearly already been drafted by the most powerful propoganda machine.

Did you hear that in church?

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

Embryonic stem cell research FTL.

Adult and especially Umbilical Cord stem cell research FTW!

I like Umbilical Cord stem cell research because the baby gets to live and all babies have one when their born so we'll have much more stem cells to go around. The umbilical cord is thrown away when they cut it off, waisting valuable cells. Why not put them to good use? Its a win-win for everybody!

import_fighter1

The fetus is thrown away also when its aborted, why not use that too instead of tossing them in the garbage?

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Shouldnt be allowed.toad1956

Why, other than your religion. It's not even a human yet. a faint heartbeat doesnt mean your'e a human being yet. And should we just let the aborted fetus' go to waste instead of using them for good?

You forget that the young child to be born has all the capacity that you and I have to learn and grow. Some will also change the world. Stem cell research justs creeps me I out. We have yet to solve the morale issues that come with. Would you let a clone to born so you could harvest they organs? Our how about creating a clone army. No one would care if they died, they are just clones after all. History teaches us that when we do not have a grasp on technology we will get burned. Clone research has no boundaries, that is scary.:?

There's a huge difference between clones and a clump of cells. Clones are fully sentient, self-aware beings. A fetus the age of which we can harvest stem cells from doesn't even have a brain yet. And the "it could grow up to be the next Einstein" arguement is the dumbest thing conservatives have come up with. Using that logic masturbation would be genocide. But just to give this "argument" a go, yes, there's an extremely small chance that that fetus could have grown up to be the next Einstein. There's also an equally strong chance that it could have grown up to be the next Hitler That said, neither of those is likely because the people aborting fetuses aren't ready to have kids. You make them have a kid and the child is going to suffer. There's always adoption, but there's already enough orphans in the world and the issue still remains that the child would still face an enormous uphill battle to become the next great person.

Anyway, abortion is legal, there's no reason why stem cell research shouldn't be. The fetus is already dead when they harvest the cells, and it would have died anyway. No one is going to bury it because its just a small mass of chemical scum, its going to get disposed of like medical waste. Furthermore, stunting science in the name of "morals" and religion has already been shown to be the dumbest mistake a civilization can make. If it wasn't for the dark ages putting a pause on intelligent thought for 1000 years we could have already been where we are now hundreds of years ago.

edit: actually I shouldn't even be using the word "fetus" for this arguement. "Embryo" is the correct term. To give you an idea of what we're talking about with an embryo, this is what they look like at the point in development where stem cells can be harvested:

Not the tiny baby that religious groups would have you believe now is it? To put this in perspective, that cell is about 32 cells large. You kill far more life by washing your hands than you do by aborting an embryo.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Its stunning our scientific growth. Tjhats like saying "no, I don't want science to advance. Let all the other countries rise above, further concreting the statement "The US of A is one of the dumbest industrialized nationsimport_fighter1

It's not about science, it's about power. If you honestly believe that embryonic stem cells are the holy grail of medical research, you have clearly already been drafted by the most powerful propoganda machine.

Did you hear that in church?

It's genius how quickly you jumped to the "you must be religious" argument to defend your opinion. I wish I was that skilled in language and debate.

[QUOTE="toad1956"][QUOTE="hillelslovak"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Shouldnt be allowed.gameguy6700

Why, other than your religion. It's not even a human yet. a faint heartbeat doesnt mean your'e a human being yet. And should we just let the aborted fetus' go to waste instead of using them for good?

You forget that the young child to be born has all the capacity that you and I have to learn and grow. Some will also change the world. Stem cell research justs creeps me I out. We have yet to solve the morale issues that come with. Would you let a clone to born so you could harvest they organs? Our how about creating a clone army. No one would care if they died, they are just clones after all. History teaches us that when we do not have a grasp on technology we will get burned. Clone research has no boundaries, that is scary.:?

There's a huge difference between clones and a clump of cells. Clones are fully sentient, self-aware beings. A fetus the age of which we can harvest stem cells from doesn't even have a brain yet. And the "it could grow up to be the next Einstein" arguement is the dumbest thing conservatives have come up with. Using that logic masturbation would be genocide. But just to give this "argument" a go, yes, there's an extremely small chance that that fetus could have grown up to be the next Einstein. There's also an equally strong chance that it could have grown up to be the next Hitler That said, neither of those is likely because the people aborting fetuses aren't ready to have kids. You make them have a kid and the child is going to suffer. There's always adoption, but there's already enough orphans in the world and the issue still remains that the child would still face an enormous uphill battle to become the next great person.

Anyway, abortion is legal, there's no reason why stem cell research shouldn't be. The fetus is already dead when they harvest the cells, and it would have died anyway. No one is going to bury it because its just a small mass of chemical scum, its going to get disposed of like medical waste. Furthermore, stunting science in the name of "morals" and religion has already been shown to be the dumbest mistake a civilization can make. If it wasn't for the dark ages putting a pause on intelligent thought for 1000 years we could have already been where we are now hundreds of years ago.

See, this is a good argument.

It's a real tough debate, and since nobody thats Pro-Life has put up a valid arguement, I'll put one up for you guys. When you say, "It's not human yet" what do you mean? During what part of the fetus' life is it officially human? After all, it is a living organism if not "human" if we classify microscopic cells into certain forms of life, why not with the human fetus, after all, it is life, and we should treat it accordingly.

But in reality, what is George Bush's action against stem cell reasearch, he says that it should not be done, instead, just throw away the fetus. What's the point in that really? If we have to advance then we need to make use of resources that are given to us, and it is curcial that we dont "dispose" of our rescoures that just might find a cure for major diseases like cancer.

I think reasearch should go forth on Stem cell's, as long as its in the name of science. Right?

Blazin_Ice

There's a lot of life that you don't treat well.. In any case, the fetus will never realize it didn't get a life.

Talking about potential.. How many babies can a woman have in her lifetime? How many women can a male impregnante in his lifetime? Everytime you chose not to have sex with a female, you are denying a human the potential to life a fully prosperous life. Fetuses aren't the only soon-to-be-humans that don't get a chance at life. Stuff happens, people are denied their potential, it's just the way nature works.