I played it, and although it was lacking gameplay, it was artistically ahead of it's time. It took a different view to see what the boys thought during the Columbine incident.
Now, as many of you know, this got first place at Slamdance, but then was pulled due to controversy. It's very unfortunate that this happened, since it the only thing it wanted to achieve was to look through the eyes of the boys who caused it.
He shouldn't have been disqualified from that competition. I was listening to AOTS talk to the creator about it and that was pretty lame that they had to take his game out because of pressure of lawsuits. But it is kind of controversial; however it does not directly involve you shooting people, but gives information about that day and shows different sides of the story.
I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid.
i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoided
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid. Agreed. I should add that the last time I posted something indirectly related to Columbine on Gamespot's forums it was locked and I had points taken away from my account.
[QUOTE="joeamis"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid. Agreed. I should add that the last time I posted something indirectly related to Columbine on Gamespot's forums it was locked and I had points taken away from my account. That is pathetic....
i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoidedinyourface_12
Well, it was under the radar, which the creator intended it to be, until it entered Slamdance. When they were about to take first place, the whole thing just erupted. The creator never wanted it to be controversial, he just wanted to give people a different look at the event.
[QUOTE="inyourface_12"]i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoidedMedia_geek20
Well, it was under the radar, which the creator intended it to be, until it entered Slamdance. When they were about to take first place, the whole thing just erupted. The creator never wanted it to be controversial, he just wanted to give people a different look at the event.
And what was his intended view? That if someone makes fun of you, that you should go through your school shooting random people as a way of retribution? Wow, that's groundbreaking, indeed.
Perhaps he can make another game about shooting up a nursery or something noble like that.
That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.superbradleyo77
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
[QUOTE="Media_geek20"][QUOTE="inyourface_12"]i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoidedsonicare
Well, it was under the radar, which the creator intended it to be, until it entered Slamdance. When they were about to take first place, the whole thing just erupted. The creator never wanted it to be controversial, he just wanted to give people a different look at the event.
And what was his intended view? That if someone makes fun of you, that you should go through your school shooting random people as a way of retribution? Wow, that's groundbreaking, indeed.
Perhaps he can make another game about shooting up a nursery or something noble like that.
The intended view of the creator was to allow the player to look through the eyes of the boys who caused Columbine.
[QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.LostProphetFLCL
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
So is every other tragic event that has ever happened. But to prevent any other events from occuring similar to them, we must understand them to know what went wrong.
[QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.LostProphetFLCL
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
i agree that we should learn from the past but there is no one that simple life experiences of getting bullied a lot like many kids do should turn anyone in to that kind of monster. their is something wrong with someone who reacts like that to start with.
[QUOTE="Media_geek20"][QUOTE="inyourface_12"]i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoidedMedia_geek20
Well, it was under the radar, which the creator intended it to be, until it entered Slamdance. When they were about to take first place, the whole thing just erupted. The creator never wanted it to be controversial, he just wanted to give people a different look at the event.
And what was his intended view? That if someone makes fun of you, that you should go through your school shooting random people as a way of retribution? Wow, that's groundbreaking, indeed.
Perhaps he can make another game about shooting up a nursery or something noble like that.
The intended view of the creator was to allow the player to look through the eyes of the boys who caused Columbine. My immediate and non-bias response to that would be: Why would anyone want to? What possible joy or fascination would someone have in reliving that terrible moment, especially people from that area? I still remember that event happening and it was something that I would like to forget ever happened. I realize that Kliebold and Harris sort of romanticized the fascination with shooting up your HS and taking revenge on all the people who bullied and harrasse them, but they were sick individuals who should have been helped and gave off many warning signals that were ignored. When facts came out later that they had a fascination with guns and the videogame Doom, that just shifted more blame towards videogames and opened a Pandoras Box for all these other school shootings and copycat crimes.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.sonicare
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.sonicare
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
I have never seen a documentary that goes deep into the thoughts of anyone. What went on in the kids head is the most important thing we need to understand. Besides, this is also putting the material into another medium. An interesting thing is you don't even have to play the game persay. You can actually set it to an automatic mode.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.Media_geek20
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
but that is one point. this cant offer any insight. that cant be used as justification. because n one is in that mindset that is playing that game. u cant possibly think like someone that is that sick. it offers no insight into their thoughts at the time
[QUOTE="Media_geek20"][QUOTE="inyourface_12"]i think the idea is stupid. i played it and it was u know basically an old school rpg about the columbine killings. u can tell that all the creator really wanted to do was create controversy. and contrroversy for the sake of controversy is stupid and can be avoidedvideogamer456
Well, it was under the radar, which the creator intended it to be, until it entered Slamdance. When they were about to take first place, the whole thing just erupted. The creator never wanted it to be controversial, he just wanted to give people a different look at the event.
And what was his intended view? That if someone makes fun of you, that you should go through your school shooting random people as a way of retribution? Wow, that's groundbreaking, indeed.
Perhaps he can make another game about shooting up a nursery or something noble like that.
The intended view of the creator was to allow the player to look through the eyes of the boys who caused Columbine. My immediate and non-bias response to that would be: Why would anyone want to? What possible joy or fascination would someone have in reliving that terrible moment, especially people from that area? I still remember that event happening and it was something that I would like to forget ever happened. I realize that Kliebold and Harris sort of romanticized the fascination with shooting up your HS and taking revenge on all the people who bullied and harrasse them, but they were sick individuals who should have been helped and gave off many warning signals that were ignored. When facts came out later that they had a fascination with guns and the videogame Doom, that just shifted more blame towards videogames and opened a Pandoras Box for all these other school shootings and copycat crimes.
Well, what about the Holocaust? That was tragic, but we investigate it to figure out how to further prevent it. The creator did this, which allows us to know the boys thoughts. With this, we know how to prevent it.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.Media_geek20
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Reanacting a high school shooting is no way to mentally put yourself in their position. I'm sure there's a documentary or something about it. Watch that.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.Media_geek20
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Then shouldn't the game lead up to the events rather than play through them? That just glorifies the violence.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.superbradleyo77
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Reanacting a high school shooting is no way to mentally put yourself in their position. I'm sure there's a documentary or something about it. Watch that.
Does a documentary truly immerse us into the thoughts of the boys? No. Without their thoughts, we don't truly know what drove them to do this.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.sonicare
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Then shouldn't the game lead up to the events rather than play through them? That just glorifies the violence.
It does. Although they don't give a full background of the complete history of the two boys, it offers what is needed to know their intentions. Also, the last thing the game does is glorify violence. The combat is pretty modest, and focuses on their intentions and thoughts, not their actions.
While I'm all for the idea of never forgetting national tragedies for fear that they may happen again, I seriously doubt that our nation will have been transformed by the revelations brought forth out of "Super Columbine Massacre RPG!"
Many tasteful and respectful documenataries and books have been published on the subject, but I fail to see how a game in which you play as the killers and recreate the crime helps anything other than gain notoriety for the author.
While I'm all for the idea of never forgetting national tragedies for fear that they may happen again, I seriously doubt that our nation will have been transformed by the revelations brought forth out of "Super Columbine Massacre RPG!"
Many tasteful and respectful documenataries and books have been published on the subject, but I fail to see how a game in which you play as the killers and recreate the crime helps anything other than gain notoriety for the author.
-Byshop
Byshop
Maybe the nation doesn't understand the point of the game, maybe they're not ready for it. Oh well.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.Media_geek20
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Reanacting a high school shooting is no way to mentally put yourself in their position. I'm sure there's a documentary or something about it. Watch that.
Does a documentary truly immerse us into the thoughts of the boys? No. Without their thoughts, we don't truly know what drove them to do this. We have their thoughts, they kept journals and videotaped themselves. They wanted people to always remember their names and have a legacy.
And you can watch a movie called Elephant, althought it isn't that great a movie.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="superbradleyo77"]That masscre should have never been recreated in any way.videogamer456
Yeah that is a real good way of thinking. Lets never look back on bad events, recreate them, and attempt to find out what went wrong. The massacre was tragic, yes, but it was something that should have been AVOIDED. The problem is, no-one took notice of the kids and no-one attemtped to understand them. I gaurentee you they weren't born monsters, they were made into monsters through their life experiences. If we try to understand them, we just might be able to figure out why they went crazy. Apparently that is too much for the majority of people though. It is this kind of people that hinder society and prevent us from figuring out whats wrong with the world....
I'm sure that's not the point of the game. A documentary about the events of columbine and the effect of peer pressure would be far more informative than a game that lets you play as the killer and hunt down school kids.
But what better way to know the intentions and thoughts of the boys than to be in their position?
Reanacting a high school shooting is no way to mentally put yourself in their position. I'm sure there's a documentary or something about it. Watch that.
Does a documentary truly immerse us into the thoughts of the boys? No. Without their thoughts, we don't truly know what drove them to do this. We have their thoughts, they kept journals and videotaped themselves. They wanted people to always remember their names and have a legacy.
And you can watch a movie called Elephant, althought it isn't that great a movie.
[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid.
They don't deserve to be understood this early. In maybe 50 more years that would be the appropriate time.
[QUOTE="XBebop"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid.
They don't deserve to be understood this early. In maybe 50 more years that would be the appropriate time. Yeah, lets give 50 more years for it to happen again. Real smart.... Humanity nowadays scares the hell out of me. People are so damn afraid to look at recent tragedies. It just sickens me how people are this way. It happened, we can't change it, GET OVER IT! The sooner we can learn from the tragedies, the better.
Maybe the nation doesn't understand the point of the game, maybe they're not ready for it. Oh well. Media_geek20
Why is it I think that the deficiency isn't on the part of "the nation"...
I live in Colorado. My ex is a school teacher and her sisters-in-law went to Columbine. I don't know anyone related to this tragedy in any way for whom this game wouldn't go over like a lead brick.
I love video games, but they are under enough fire for desensitizing our society to violence without representing one of our nations more emotionally scarring events as a 16-bit era Final Fantasy-type game.
You probably disagree with me, and of course you are free to do so, but I think if we put it to a vote you’d find yourself in the minority and I am thankful for that.
The kids who did the shooting were retarted emo goths who had no lives and deserve no recognition other than the fact that they were 2 dumbasses who are a shame to all humanity and their parents. (really they didnt even go after the bullies who messed with them they jus shot random people which is retarted in my book)
[QUOTE="XBebop"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I support it. The kids were misunderstood even before the shooting happened. Years later someone actually tries to understand them and people go ballistic. Totally ******* stupid.
They don't deserve to be understood this early. In maybe 50 more years that would be the appropriate time. In 50 years time we are less liekly to understand them as culture has moved on 50 years...in addition to the decade since it happened. I don't see a problem with the game. ITs based on a real life incident where innocent people die, that is horrible. But if you have a problem with that, then you should also have a problem with WW2 movies and games, same with Vietnam. I don't see a lot of difference between Super Columbine RPG and the Call of Duty games
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