1080p LED tvs, good for gaming?

or no advantage over the 1080p LCDs?

or no advantage over the 1080p LCDs?

multiplat

I just got a 42 inch 1080 P HD LCD Tv. You mix that with the ps3 / 360's graphics + a HD cord (Around 80 bucks) You will get the best graphics imaginable. I play Fall out 3 on this baby and I don't think I can ever go back to standard tv's. Lol

I had a brief experience with the Samsung 240hz LED model. I bought one at Best Buy and owned it for 1 week before i took it back and bought a Panasonic plasma tv instead. The 240 hz mode was a joke; it made movies and tv shows look like soap operas. The picture was ultra super clear, which sounds nice, but in reality it made everything look fake or artificial. You can not play games with this mode turned on because of horrible input lag. There is a game mode which made playing games acceptable, but in the end i was paying for a feature that was usless. The colors and black levels were better than standard lcd tv's, but the picture quality was still much inferior to a good plasma tv for one third the price. I would stay away from LED backlit tv's if i were you.

a HD cord (Around 80 bucks)

deathwishx2

HDMI cord for 80 bucks? Nonononononononononono.

Oh yeah, no.

Don't get cables anywhere else. Well except for Blue Jeans and Amazon 1 cent ones. bought 6 of them and all 3 work perfectly. And I hear Mediabridge makes pretty good cheap ones too. Don't fall for marketing BS!

LEDs are thinner and more power efficent than LCDs. Better contrast and black levels, they offer almost as good of picture as plasma with way less energy useage and weight :P If you can afford it, get one!

I had a brief experience with the Samsung 240hz LED model. I bought one at Best Buy and owned it for 1 week before i took it back and bought a Panasonic plasma tv instead. The 240 hz mode was a joke; it made movies and tv shows look like soap operas. .

Videodogg

lol funny... I just bought the Samsung 55" 6000 series yesterday for $1999. It's shipping for free in 10 days. The dynamic contrast from LED and LCD are a huge difference. If you really want a new big TV, I highly recommend you getting the LED 55".

I asked around...dynamic contrast is NOT what u should look it (It's an advertising trick mostly)...."Static" or "Native" Contrast ratio is what really matters.

120/240 Hz processing creates artificial frames to deal with the inherent blur found in LCD's. This type of processing is not required with plasmas, DLP, or CRT's because there is no inherent motion lag in those display technologies. You are correct that some of the anti-blur/anti-judder technologies can be turned off or set to lower levels, but the 120/240Hz processing can still cause lag in video games. With his return, he upgraded to a Panasonic plasma, so basically he got no motion lag, no game lag, higher contrast, and a wider viewing angle for less money.rastan

The Motion Processing is what really creates the artificial frames in between the what would normally be filled by duplicate frames. Motion Processing or Motion Interpolation is what generates fake frames to simulate smooth 120hz motion and in turn making movies look like soap operas.

As for the Plasma, it's really a double edged blade. Yes you get, no motion lag, no game lag, higher contrast and even a wider colour gamut. But in return you lose the ability to view true white, which my opinion is more important than all the above gains. Plasma cannot show the color white at high luminance, the ABL kicks in everytime the screen is filled with a very light hue or white. This in turn makes white color scenes in games, tv and movies look gray in comparison to LED or LCD. So, yes you get some benefits but you lose the ability to see true white.

I just got a 42 inch 1080 P HD LCD Tv. You mix that with the ps3 / 360's graphics + a HD cord (Around 80 bucks) You will get the best graphics imaginable. I play Fall out 3 on this baby and I don't think I can ever go back to standard tv's. Lol

deathwishx2

aw sorry man, $80, you got taken by the Best Buy sales guy. buy from blujean like the other poster said, that or monoprice or mycablemart. try to take that $80 cable back to teh store if you can. you shoudl be paying more than $5-$8 after paying for the shipping.

as for LED LCD vs LCD, if you dont mind the extra power consumption and weight, go with a plasma. better picture, better refresh rates, better price. as for teh whites issue, ive never heard that before, and i have not experienced it with my Panny plasma.

[QUOTE="rastan"]120/240 Hz processing creates artificial frames to deal with the inherent blur found in LCD's. This type of processing is not required with plasmas, DLP, or CRT's because there is no inherent motion lag in those display technologies. You are correct that some of the anti-blur/anti-judder technologies can be turned off or set to lower levels, but the 120/240Hz processing can still cause lag in video games. With his return, he upgraded to a Panasonic plasma, so basically he got no motion lag, no game lag, higher contrast, and a wider viewing angle for less money.pimperjones

The Motion Processing is what really creates the artificial frames in between the what would normally be filled by duplicate frames. Motion Processing or Motion Interpolation is what generates fake frames to simulate smooth 120hz motion and in turn making movies look like soap operas.

As for the Plasma, it's really a double edged blade. Yes you get, no motion lag, no game lag, higher contrast and even a wider colour gamut. But in return you lose the ability to view true white, which my opinion is more important than all the above gains. Plasma cannot show the color white at high luminance, the ABL kicks in everytime the screen is filled with a very light hue or white. This in turn makes white color scenes in games, tv and movies look gray in comparison to LED or LCD. So, yes you get some benefits but you lose the ability to see true white.

Yes I don't know what I'm talking about. And there is no such thing as an Automatic Brightness Limiter, because we all know that Plasma can display max luminance on all cells at all times. Why don't you do some research before coming on and whining about other people's opinions.

I noticed you got banned. How you like the ban hammerWowroflurah. Keep crying.

Plasmas cannot run all it's cells at maximum luminance. In order for a cell to burn pure white, it needs to be at max luminance, drawing max power, but in order for all the cells to show pure white such as in an snowing scene or a white background, or a dog fight in the skies the power required far exceeds that of which is avaliable.
It's not due to burn in, it's due to power consumption. All Plasma no matter what the price range contains at built in onboard ABL ciruit which dims to TV's luminance during light colored scenes that take up the bulk of the screen. Thus it is not possible for a Plasma to display pure white in anything other than small portions, usually less than 20 percent of it's cells. You cannot turn off ABL, as it is hardwired into the circuit board.

To prevent people from finding out about this, most Plasmas are shipped and calibrated at very low brightness settings, so low that it does not require the ABL to kick in. As soon as you adjust the Plasma to a higher brightness level, the ABL kicks in and will randomly dim your set to adjust for power consumption. Imagine a power saver auto dimming feature permanently turned on all the time.

I owned a 50" top of the line Samsung 1080p Plasma before I returned it for an 120hz Sharp LCD.
Plasmas always have a bigger color gamut than LCDs, so yes the colors are better. But like I said the ABL kills light colored scenes.

To test this, all you need is an white color background and two tvs. I would use the Capcom Logo as it's almost pure white background. Have two TVs one Plasma and one LCD both running at maximum brightness. Run the Capcom Logo on both TVs, you will see that the Plasma will dim the TV, while the LCD will remain at the same luminance. In comparison the Capcom Logo on a Plasma looks light Gray when compared to the Pure White version on the LCD

Trust me, when I first found out about this I spent the better part of a my week trying to figure out how to by-pass the ABL circuit, until the guy at the store told me that this is just an inherent flaw in the Plasma technology that cannot be by-passed. I always watch my TVs at near maximum brightness, so this was a deal killer for me.

Plasmas cannot run all it's cells at maximum luminance. In order for a cell to burn pure white, it needs to be at max luminance, drawing max power, but in order for all the cells to show pure white such as in an snowing scene or a white background, or a dog fight in the skies the power required far exceeds that of which is avaliable.
It's not due to burn in, it's due to power consumption. All Plasma no matter what the price range contains at built in onboard ABL ciruit which dims to TV's luminance during light colored scenes that take up the bulk of the screen. Thus it is not possible for a Plasma to display pure white in anything other than small portions, usually less than 20 percent of it's cells. You cannot turn off ABL, as it is hardwired into the circuit board.

To prevent people from finding out about this, most Plasmas are shipped and calibrated at very low brightness settings, so low that it does not require the ABL to kick in. As soon as you adjust the Plasma to a higher brightness level, the ABL kicks in and will randomly dim your set to adjust for power consumption. Imagine a power saver auto dimming feature permanently turned on all the time.

I owned a 50" top of the line Samsung 1080p Plasma before I returned it for an 120hz Sharp LCD.
Plasmas always have a bigger color gamut than LCDs, so yes the colors are better. But like I said the ABL kills light colored scenes.

To test this, all you need is an white color background and two tvs. I would use the Capcom Logo as it's almost pure white background. Have two TVs one Plasma and one LCD both running at maximum brightness. Run the Capcom Logo on both TVs, you will see that the Plasma will dim the TV, while the LCD will remain at the same luminance. In comparison the Capcom Logo on a Plasma looks light Gray when compared to the Pure White version on the LCD

Trust me, when I first found out about this I spent the better part of a my week trying to figure out how to by-pass the ABL circuit, until the guy at the store told me that this is just an inherent flaw in the Plasma technology that cannot be by-passed. I always watch my TVs at near maximum brightness, so this was a deal killer for me.

pimperjones

and your (edit: pupils!) will contract on a screen of full white regardless, emulating the same thing an ABL will achieve for you. you'd also have to answer the question of why so often one of the first things done in an LCD calibration is to crank the backlight waaaay, way down. probably something about the brightness being far too high for viewing in an actual home environment for most people!

the ABL is primarily intended for power consumption, yes, but it also keeps the contrast consistent when the scene shifts from dark to light or vice versa to the point where our eyes aren't immediately seared out of our sockets on a full white scene. hihi eyestrain, i'm glad those days are done. the only *real* honest-to-god downside to an ABL is that it makes it harder to watch in direct light. you sound like you're an exception, either that your viewing environment has a hell of a lot of ambient light, or your eyes are just weird. either way, it's definitely far out of the ordinary.

Yes I don't watch my TV in an dark closet. It's in the living room, in a Condo, so there is a lot of light coming through the windows. For me the ABL bothers me because I actually notice a shift in luminance. If you're in the theatres the projector does not dim it's projection when a dark scene shifts to a daylight scene. But ABL does this and adjustments the luminance is what bothers me beyond anything. It makes the whole enjoyment of cinema a pain, because I can feel the TV making luminance changes for me without my intervention. For me, I prefer whiter whites, than pure blacks. Probably why LCD are still more popular than the Plasma.

In the end the whole argument is kinda mute since OLED will address all these problems in the long run. In the end both Plasma and LCD are flawed technologies. I really like Plasma's higher color gamut though.

Yes I don't watch my TV in an dark closet. It's in the living room, in a Condo, so there is a lot of light coming through the windows. For me the ABL bothers me because I actually notice a shift in luminance. If you're in the theatres the projector does not dim it's projection when a dark scene shifts to a daylight scene. But ABL does this and adjustments the luminance is what bothers me beyond anything. It makes the whole enjoyment of cinema a pain, because I can feel the TV making luminance changes for me without my intervention. For me, I prefer whiter whites, than pure blacks. Probably why LCD are still more popular than the Plasma.

In the end the whole argument is kinda mute since OLED will address all these problems in the long run. In the end both Plasma and LCD are flawed technologies. I really like Plasma's higher color gamut though.

pimperjones

If you don't mind sitting at a desk while you play, you could get an LED backlit 1080p Monitor to play on... A lot cheaper than big brother, but same quality as long as you are sitting close... (hence the desk reference)...

Holy f***ing s*** Batman. Thread necroing!

It's called input lag. There's nothing you can do about except disable all the "image enhancement" settings on your TV. If that doesn't work, the best you can do is look online for a TV with minimal input lag. Manufacturers don't post these specs so you'll have to visit avsforum.com, for example.

oh and i tried turning game mode on and it helps just a tad but its still just brutal when im playing the game, if anyone has any solutions please do post! thanks!dixon7800

[QUOTE="dixon7800"]oh and i tried turning game mode on and it helps just a tad but its still just brutal when im playing the game, if anyone has any solutions please do post! thanks!Drakan11

Actually plasmas do have input lag. 60 Hz refresh rate + processing = lag.

[QUOTE="Drakan11"][QUOTE="dixon7800"]oh and i tried turning game mode on and it helps just a tad but its still just brutal when im playing the game, if anyone has any solutions please do post! thanks!simplyderp

Actually plasmas do have input lag. 60 Hz refresh rate + processing = lag.

I'll have to research this, but the colors on plasmas are normally better than LCD's and I haven't heard or read anything about plasmas not being able to produce pure white. Maybe that limiter is a setting designed to minimize screen burn-in on older plasmas or to limit maximum power consumption?rastan

does the response time on a tv matter at all? cuz i noticed my old lcd was 4ms and this led is 6msdixon7800

Refresh rate has nothing to do with it.Drakan11

It does. Example, say you have a source that outputs a frame every 1/120 of a second. But the TV "refreshes" every 1/60 of a second. If you need to perform an action when an object appears at a certain frame, then the 60 Hz TV will have to wait another 1/120 of a second after the frame is output.

Response time is what determines input lag.Drakan11

I suggest you do more reading on this. Response time is the time it takes an LCD panel to flip a pixel to a different shade of grey. This is not input lag. Input lag is mainly caused by processing. The techniques that manufacturers use to lower response time can increase input lag, ironically.

Plasmas have a response time of .001ms which blows LCD/LED out of the water.Drakan11

Plasmas don't have "response time." This is a measurement for LCD technology. But the motion of a Plasma is much more smoother than LCD.

I have a 24" LED monitor less than a month now, it's bright and clear, thin and very light. loving it when I play game.... I would get a bigger screen LED TV for my livingroom aswell in the future if my old LCD ever die, but not gonna happen cuz the Toshiba seems gonna last for a while.

[QUOTE="rastan"]I'll have to research this, but the colors on plasmas are normally better than LCD's and I haven't heard or read anything about plasmas not being able to produce pure white. Maybe that limiter is a setting designed to minimize screen burn-in on older plasmas or to limit maximum power consumption?soulreaper-4

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="rastan"]I'll have to research this, but the colors on plasmas are normally better than LCD's and I haven't heard or read anything about plasmas not being able to produce pure white. Maybe that limiter is a setting designed to minimize screen burn-in on older plasmas or to limit maximum power consumption?rastan

DON'T TELL ME EACH SIX MONTHS or year the tv you bough is garbage.soulreaper-4

Didn't you know that once anything (with technology) hits the shelf it becomes obsolete?

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]DON'T TELL ME EACH SIX MONTHS or year the tv you bough is garbage.oldskooler79

Didn't you know that once anything (with technology) hits the shelf it becomes obsolete?

[QUOTE="deathwishx2"]

I just got a 42 inch 1080 P HD LCD Tv. You mix that with the ps3 / 360's graphics + a HD cord (Around 80 bucks) You will get the best graphics imaginable. I play Fall out 3 on this baby and I don't think I can ever go back to standard tv's. Lol

hd5870corei7

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"][QUOTE="deathwishx2"]

I just got a 42 inch 1080 P HD LCD Tv. You mix that with the ps3 / 360's graphics + a HD cord (Around 80 bucks) You will get the best graphics imaginable. I play Fall out 3 on this baby and I don't think I can ever go back to standard tv's. Lol

soulreaper-4

Yeah but we need to use logic, these are tvs not consoles, graphic cards etc. Then for you if you bought a tv for your ps3 or 360 it is trash and you need to get a new model the next six months for $500 dollars or more?soulreaper-4

I totally agree. I was just sayin'..

When I replace my 54" Sony rear projection unit in my family room (still an awesome HD picture by the way) it will be with a plasma.rastan

Then please take my advise and wait for a good one. Nothing on the market today is worth a damn unless you find a Kuro. I've had both the 63C8000 and 58VT25 and they both FAIL MISERABLY next to my Pioneer 5020fd. The panasonic, which supposedly is the best you can buy atm, has floating blacks that will drive you crazy to no end. Whenever you watch dark scenes (practically every movie), the anamorphic black bars rise up to near grey. It does this all throughout the movie. The Samsung C8000 plasma is a very nice 3D plasma. In fact if you were limited to what's on the shelf now I would go for this one. The blacks are stable and deep. The main issue I have with this one is the 24hz bug. You MUST use 3:2 pulldown for all sources. If not, the blacks will rise. This is a known flaw that Sammy has dealt with for a few years now. This isn't acceptable IMO.

No other manufacturer is worth mentioning here. We're talking plasmas and we're talking the best. After owning a Kuro for a few months, you won't take any other display seriously again either.

So just wait and see if Panny gets their act together. Otherwise it would be in your best interest to seek out a Kuro now. I seriously doubt the 9G Kuro will be triumped in the next couple years. If your that desperate for a tv now you could always pick up a Sony 34XBR960 off Craigslist. At only 34" you would need to move your couch/chair closer, and probably not the ideal size for you. However, nothing beats the picture quality on this set (I have two of them). Nothing. Not even a calibrated 9G Pio Elite.

You should be able to find a 9G Kuro non-elite (5020 or 6020fd) for a reasonable price. Maybe not the 60" but the 5020 can still be found. Outside an Elite, it will be the benchmark for the coming years...

...and I play on a 96" front projection LCD projector. Doesn't stop me from saying that plasma produces the best picture available today in a fixed pixel display. When I replace my 54" Sony rear projection unit in my family room (still an awesome HD picture by the way) it will be with a plasma.rastan

I wonder is it GREED or EGO that's corrupting people minds these days.soulreaper-4

No to both of these. The simple truth is that the best technology isn't available in smaller sizes. If it were, I may have considered. It has nothing to with money, even though I make alot of it. It's not my fault I took an interest in success.

EDIT --> As I noted above, I mentioned the 34" Sony as having the best picture on a consumer hdtv that can be had for a couple hundred clams on craigslist after a few weeks shopping. Proof that EGO and GREED gets thrown out the window. We simply want a solid picture for our hobby and know better, that's all.