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#1 luamhtrad
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So, I had a SMART predicted failure of one of my RAID-0 drives (2 total). I got 2 new drives in the mail and attempted to set up a RAID-5. The only options I had were mirrored or striped without a BIOS flash. Being pressed for time, I just put all three drives into a striped RAID accidentally and it worked. I installed XP in less than 7 minutes. The throughput is amazing. I realize I have an even larger possibility of data loss if one drive fails, but the reward is worth the risk. Besides, I have 2 500GB NAS drives for backup. So basically, you can have 3 HDs in a RAID-0 stripe. Thought I would let all of you know.
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So, I had a SMART predicted failure of one of my RAID-0 drives (2 total). I got 2 new drives in the mail and attempted to set up a RAID-5. The only options I had were mirrored or striped without a BIOS flash. Being pressed for time, I just put all three drives into a striped RAID accidentally and it worked. I installed XP in less than 7 minutes. The throughput is amazing. I realize I have an even larger possibility of data loss if one drive fails, but the reward is worth the risk. Besides, I have 2 500GB NAS drives for backup. So basically, you can have 3 HDs in a RAID-0 stripe. Thought I would let all of you know.luamhtrad

I also taught it was worth it... until I changed motherboard. I am a person who upgrades alot, so it's a bad deal for me.

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#3 luamhtrad
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I also taught it was worth it... until I changed motherboard. I am a person who upgrades alot, so it's a bad deal for me.Bebi_vegeta
How does RAID change that? Wouldn't you do a reinstall if you upgraded your MOBO?
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]I also taught it was worth it... until I changed motherboard. I am a person who upgrades alot, so it's a bad deal for me.luamhtrad
How does RAID change that? Wouldn't you do a reinstall if you upgraded your MOBO?

What?

Well you need to reinstall you raid setup, that`s why it`s not worth it for me.... losing everything is way more valuable then speed.

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#5 X360PS3AMD05
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Don't backup?
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#6 Bebi_vegeta
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Don't backup?X360PS3AMD05

Never tried a Windows backup disk... but I guess it could be the solution... I really wonder if it works when you change mobo or back up from a raid 0.

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Now, if you did things the right way, you would be able to format at any time without the worry of having to back up to a cd.

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#8 Bebi_vegeta
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Now, if you did things the right way, you would be able to format at any time without the worry of having to back up to a cd.

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what?

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When you change motherboards, you should do a from-scratch install of Windows to be safe. The only way you could get away with not doing this and be certain you will have no problems is if the new motherboard uses all of the exact same onboard devices that will run with the drivers you already had installed. On my old motherboard I had two Raptors in a RAID0 using the onboard RAID. My new motherboard correctly detected that array and wanted to use it right away (same onboard RAID chip). I still rebuilt the array and installed Windows from scratch. The drivers for many devices were different; never mind that this was a switch from an AMD setup to an Intel setup.
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#10 luamhtrad
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]I also taught it was worth it... until I changed motherboard. I am a person who upgrades alot, so it's a bad deal for me.Bebi_vegeta

How does RAID change that? Wouldn't you do a reinstall if you upgraded your MOBO?

What?

Well you need to reinstall you raid setup, that`s why it`s not worth it for me.... losing everything is way more valuable then speed.

I have NAS (Network Attached Storage) for my backup and I would do a full re-install if I upgraded my MOBO regardless of whether or not I had a RAID installed. I fail to see your point.
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#11 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="luamhtrad"] How does RAID change that? Wouldn't you do a reinstall if you upgraded your MOBO?luamhtrad

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Well you need to reinstall you raid setup, that`s why it`s not worth it for me.... losing everything is way more valuable then speed.

I have NAS (Network Attached Storage) for my backup and I would do a full re-install if I upgraded my MOBO regardless of whether or not I had a RAID installed. I fail to see your point.

I have no backup... by the time I had changed my raid setup to another motherboard... it didn't recognize it. So I had to re-do it, losing all.

That's my point. 

I'm pretty sure, that not everyone has a NAS.

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#12 luamhtrad
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I have no backup... by the time I had changed my raid setup to another motherboard... it didn't recognize it. So I had to re-do it, losing all.

That's my point. 

I'm pretty sure, that not everyone has a NAS.

Bebi_vegeta

That may be, but anyone concerned about losing data on any level should have some sort of backup system in place. If you don't, it still doesn't matter if you run a RAID or not, it just raises your probability of failure if you do.

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]I have no backup... by the time I had changed my raid setup to another motherboard... it didn't recognize it. So I had to re-do it, losing all.

That's my point. 

I'm pretty sure, that not everyone has a NAS.

luamhtrad

That may be, but anyone concerned about losing data on any level should have some sort of backup system in place. If you don't, it still doesn't matter if you run a RAID or not, it just raises your probability of failure if you do.

I had a raid 0 setup... I have seen little increase. That's why for everyday purpose this is not worth it... even in games.

Also, if ever you have a raid setup and just by any chance you want more space... you need to backup everything and make a new raid setup for added HDD... if you change motherboard, you need a new raid setup back up everything again. While with normal HDD, it's just plug and play.

If you're that hungry for speed, solid stat HDD is the new path.

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#14 luamhtrad
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I had a raid 0 setup... I have seen little increase. That's why for everyday purpose this is not worth it... even in games.

Also, if ever you have a raid setup and just by any chance you want more space... you need to backup everything and make a new raid setup for added HDD... if you change motherboard, you need a new raid setup back up everything again. While with normal HDD, it's just plug and play.

If you're that hungry for speed, solid stat HDD is the new path.

Bebi_vegeta

What are you not getting? You can still have additional storage. Other drives are still plug and play in addition to any RAID setup. SSHDs will most likely replace standard platter HDs is the near future. Right now though, the cost/efficiency/storage ratio is still in favor of a traditional SATA RAID array. Also, it's not just about speed. I like having a larger single volume than multiple registered volumes in my drive setup. The fact that there is a decently significant increase in throughput (that is noticeable to me) is just a bonus.

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#15 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]I had a raid 0 setup... I have seen little increase. That's why for everyday purpose this is not worth it... even in games.

Also, if ever you have a raid setup and just by any chance you want more space... you need to backup everything and make a new raid setup for added HDD... if you change motherboard, you need a new raid setup back up everything again. While with normal HDD, it's just plug and play.

If you're that hungry for speed, solid stat HDD is the new path.

luamhtrad

What are you not getting? You can still have additional storage. Other drives are still plug and play in addition to any RAID setup. SSHDs will most likely replace standard platter HDs is the near future. Right now though, the cost/efficiency/storage ratio is still in favor of a traditional SATA RAID array. Also, it's not just about speed. I like having a larger single volume than multiple registered volumes in my drive setup. The fact that there is a decently significant increase in throughput (that is noticeable to me) is just a bonus.

Last time I checked you can't add storage to any Raid-0 once it's configurated. Larger plater??? Did you notice you've lost space just by configuring it into a raid 0? I for one, like to do different partition for different OS on the same drive.. and for other stuff so I get less fragmented files for the OS speed up faster. I haven't seen any big increase in every day pupose or gaming.... i'm still surfing the internet just as fast, playing games just as fast... raid to my opinion is good for servers.

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#16 luamhtrad
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]What are you not getting? You can still have additional storage. Other drives are still plug and play in addition to any RAID setup. SSHDs will most likely replace standard platter HDs is the near future. Right now though, the cost/efficiency/storage ratio is still in favor of a traditional SATA RAID array. Also, it's not just about speed. I like having a larger single volume than multiple registered volumes in my drive setup. The fact that there is a decently significant increase in throughput (that is noticeable to me) is just a bonus.

Bebi_vegeta

Last time I checked you can't add storage to any Raid-0 once it's configurated. Larger plater??? Did you notice you've lost space just by configuring it into a raid 0? I for one, like to do different partition for different OS on the same drive.. and for other stuff so I get less fragmented files for the OS speed up faster. I haven't seen any big increase in every day pupose or gaming.... i'm still surfing the internet just as fast, playing games just as fast... raid to my opinion is good for servers.

I didn't say you can add storage to the RAID array, but you can put additional disks on the system as separate volumes. All drives lose usable space when formatting. There is no way around this.