4+ GB of RAM.... Whats the point?

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#1 RFOMownage
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I mean, really, there is no point to it...

I did a test just prior to creating this thread, to see how many programs I could run at once before my RAM was overloaded.

So, I ran Firefox (5 tabs open), PhotoShop CS3e (4 projects open, one over 5000x5000),FIFTEEN SEPERATE BLENDER PROJECTS, Cinema 4d, Sony vegas, Terragen, sketchup, and the crysis sandbox editor.

This was all on 2GB 1333Mhz RAM...

AND I DIDNT EVEN MAX IT OUT.

So really- What is the point to having more than 4GB RAM? Do you want to run 4 Seperate games of crysis at once on your 8GB of ram? lol

No seriously- Im looking for an answer, what is your reason for having more than 4gb of ram? I just want to know.

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#2 imprezawrx500
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so you can have 50 photoshop images open. I don't know to "future proof"
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#3 RFOMownage
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I suppose "Future Proofing" would be a valid reason, but honestly, by the time we need 8GB to run a computer, the other components would probably be heavily outdated, and the clock on the RAM would be insanely slow.
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#4 imprezawrx500
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so true, I see it as a waste
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#5 mike4realz
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4GB+ is for people who does video editing or autocad
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#6 tempest91
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4GB of RAM is only beneficial in OS's that cache programs in the background as vista does. The more RAM you have, the more commonly used programs it can cache in your "unused" RAM, and in effect these often used programs will open much quicker. This is a fairly unknown benefit since it doesn't show up in your actual memory usage. Vista uses this memory to cache programs, but releases it instantly when realtime programs need it. Extremely beneficial for people who run intense programs as it will open them much faster.
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#7 cornholio157
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ive opened every program on my computer and i couldnt even max my 2.5gb of RAM
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#8 rlc-madcat
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Probably if you set your PC as a server?
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#9 RFOMownage
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well, 8GB is much more common, and necessary, in servers.
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#10 PS2_ROCKS
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It's not until you start tabbing between those programs saving, editing and manipulating large amounts of data that you really feel the performance hits from not having enough RAM. Windows will hardly ever max your RAM because it starts dumping apps into the page file before that happens. More programs into the page file means everything else runs slower.
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#11 marcthpro
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only the most new game can really use the Extra ammount of ram such as Cryisis / Supreme commander with lot lot of unit
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#12 CellAnimation
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On a gaming PC in 2008 there really is no reason at all. Having said that though I've deployed many servers this year with 128GB of RAM.
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#13 Macolele
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Some programs can take 2GB or above. OS will cache program, I notice some application boot faster when I open it again. But the gamers don't need to spend extra money to upgrade 4GB now. I think that is 2 or 3 years later.
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#14 Staryoshi87
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Only costs $45 for 4GB of DDR2, there is no reason not to get it now.
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#15 Ba6Ra6K
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if you have OS 64bit its take more ram memory then 32bit so you need more ram
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#16 Truth_Hurts_U
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I suggest you read this if you game.

http://www.corsair.com/_appnotes/AN804_Gaming_Performance_Analysis.pdf

I'm glad I have 4GB... I used to have 2GB but stuff was running like crap and all my RAM was used up in modern games. So my HDD did alot of page swapping. My GTX 280 did not like that at all.

Slapped 4GB and all my problems went away. I hit alt + tab and I can instantly do stuff now.

$40 more is a good investment.

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#17 theragu40
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I suggest you read this if you game.

http://www.corsair.com/_appnotes/AN804_Gaming_Performance_Analysis.pdf

I'm glad I have 4GB... I used to have 2GB but stuff was running like crap and all my RAM was used up in modern games. So my HDD did alot of page swapping. My GTX 280 did not like that at all.

Slapped 4GB and all my problems went away. I hit alt + tab and I can instantly do stuff now.

$40 more is a good investment.

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Good post, thanks for that link. It is by no means pointless to have 4gb of RAM. I would think the benefits should be obvious. The more RAM you have, then less swapping your computer has to do, and the faster programs will load. I agree that once you get over 2gb, you're no longer going to see immediate performance gains in windows as you would in going from 1 gb to 2gb. But the effect will not go unnoticed if you do a lot of multitasking or if you are a gamer who does enough tweaking to be sensitive to small performance changes.
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#18 bigdave00
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On thoughs 3d apps you must not have anything heavy opened... I often use well over 2Gb in a single 3d application. Plus on my work machine (Im a Software Developer) which has 4 Gb im often using close to that amount, and thats shutting a lot down.
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#19 rlc-madcat
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It really boils down to what you are doing with your PC.
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#20 ele975
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When you use Norton... you really need those extra RAM -.-"
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#21 muirplayer
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I mean, really, there is no point to it...

I did a test just prior to creating this thread, to see how many programs I could run at once before my RAM was overloaded.

So, I ran Firefox (5 tabs open), PhotoShop CS3e (4 projects open, one over 5000x5000),FIFTEEN SEPERATE BLENDER PROJECTS, Cinema 4d, Sony vegas, Terragen, sketchup, and the crysis sandbox editor.

This was all on 2GB 1333Mhz RAM...

AND I DIDNT EVEN MAX IT OUT.

So really- What is the point to having more than 4GB RAM? Do you want to run 4 Seperate games of crysis at once on your 8GB of ram? lol

No seriously- Im looking for an answer, what is your reason for having more than 4gb of ram? I just want to know.

RFOMownage

First of all, your tests are bogus. Just simply having the programs opened proves nothing. Second, windows, no matter what version you have will use the paging file on your hard drive ragardless of how much ram is being used, which is why you never "maxed" your ram. Turn your paging file off and run your test again and see if some errors start popping up or the whole computer freezes.

The upside to having 4gb of ram or more means faster loading times for programs, faster switching between them from the start and during use. Applications don't really start to tag the ram until they're under use. Not just sitting there being open. Having more ram can also improve your hard drive life, due to less use of the paging file.

Also, a lot of the complaints about 4gb of ram being a waste is coming from people who only use their computers to play games (which ram really has no effect game performance after it's loaded), or have no real way of actually utilizing the extra performance of 4+gb of ram.

But hey, you had a bad point of argument from the start. People arent getting more ram for fear of lower amounts maxing out. People are getting more ram for the performance increase.

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#22 9mmSpliff
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4gb does help in loading times for games.
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#23 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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ram is cheap, i just bought 4 gigs while it was low. it will last me for a while. one less thing to worry about upgrading in the near future.
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#24 Brainkiller05
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I guess why not if it's cheap/you have the money.
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#25 Avenger1324
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We have a load of PCs at work running Dual Xeons (reports 8 processors) with 4-8GB RAM. These are used for a distributed build network and regularly make use of the extra processors and RAM.

I'm ordering a new home PC and plan to get 4GB, though its tempting to get 8GB simply because it is so cheap and certainly can't harm the performance.

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#26 erikgergal
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well it helps for load times. and a couple times ive noticed that my comp was using 2.7 gbs of ram when i was playing around in google earth which was using over 1gb of ram(and if you dont believe me i can prove it) im sure for people doing video editing 4+ gbs is needed to make things run smoother.
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#28 muirplayer
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I didn't see anywhere in that test where the higher amount of ram performed slower. It had the same results. Anyhow, why let gaming results determine how much ram you should get if you're going to do more than just play games?
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#29 jasper061992
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If i could, i'd definitely get 4GB of RAM. They really are getting cheap which is good. What hurts having more RAM than you really need just for your games? lol. Setting aside of just the raw games you play, you can also have lots of RAM to reduce harddrive swapping, shorter load times (and quicker boot times) and finally launching lots more programs at once than just your games alone.