550w for a 4890/GTX 275.....

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#1 jmsbond35
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Thinking about getting one of these cards soon. I have a new case coming, so if I do need a new PS I'll get it now. will my existing Apevia 500w (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148027) power either of these cards no prob (i'm gonna have two case fans, and a q6600 stock as well)?

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#2 chris24l
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no way, you will need a new PSU. Corsair 650TX, 750TX or 850TX.

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#3 opamando
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If that was a quality 500w PSU, then you would probably be just fine. But Apevia is about as bad as they get, and that is not even their better units. I would definitely suggest getting a new/better PSU.
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#4 czechgangster44
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Of course that power supply is enough!!!The previous comment must hve been a mistake. The q6600 consumes 95watts, the 4890 (which would be my overwhelming choice) consumes at full load, a whoping 140wattts, but this, plus 3 case fans (15watts max) and then harddruve+other peripherals would amount to 400 watts MAXIMUM!! Really, go for it, without buying a new power supply. ATI and Nvidia always over estimate anyway, so the 4890 propably takes more like 120watts, so really, you've got plenty of head room (probably could even crossfire latter on if you want!) Hope this helps.

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#5 opamando
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Of course that power supply is enough!!!The previous comment must hve been a mistake. The q6600 consumes 95watts, the 4890 (which would be my overwhelming choice) consumes at full load, a whoping 140wattts, but this, plus 3 case fans (15watts max) and then harddruve+other peripherals would amount to 400 watts MAXIMUM!! Really, go for it, without buying a new power supply. ATI and Nvidia always over estimate anyway, so the 4890 propably takes more like 120watts, so really, you've got plenty of head room (probably could even crossfire latter on if you want!) Hope this helps.

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DO you know how much power that unit can put out on the 12v line? Cause I cannot find that anywhere, which is usually a BAD sign. Total wattage means nothing, it's all about how it is distributed, and quality.
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#6 robert4561
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that thing probably only has like 30 amps on the 12v too

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Of course that power supply is enough!!!The previous comment must hve been a mistake. The q6600 consumes 95watts, the 4890 (which would be my overwhelming choice) consumes at full load, a whoping 140wattts, but this, plus 3 case fans (15watts max) and then harddruve+other peripherals would amount to 400 watts MAXIMUM!! Really, go for it, without buying a new power supply. ATI and Nvidia always over estimate anyway, so the 4890 propably takes more like 120watts, so really, you've got plenty of head room (probably could even crossfire latter on if you want!) Hope this helps.

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ha wow you sound pretty confident. I just don't want to build this pc then have to take it all out again...But if you insist, I'll stick with it.

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#8 czechgangster44
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Just quickly, my statement about the "comment above this one" was not toward you, i couldn't see yours yet. just want to avoid anger.

But down to biz, on the Specifications it doesn't mention how the power is distributed, but in the Overview tab, there is that exact information. Here i pasted it, to save you some time:

"Two +12V rails (12V1, 12V2), will support most of your components under any load. It has one main connector (20 + 4 pin), one 12V (P4), two SATA, two Floppy, and six peripheral connectors. This state-of-the-art power supply also features universal input and ATX12V v2.03 compliance, so you can use it in a variety of situations and almost everywhere, with confidence."

I am pretty sure two rails is above average (even though the maker may be below) so for power distribution; check(?does that sound right?).

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#9 opamando
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Just quickly, my statement about the "comment above this one" was not toward you, i couldn't see yours yet. just want to avoid anger.

But down to biz, on the Specifications it doesn't mention how the power is distributed, but in the Overview tab, there is that exact information. Here i pasted it, to save you some time:

"Two +12V rails (12V1, 12V2), will support most of your components under any load. It has one main connector (20 + 4 pin), one 12V (P4), two SATA, two Floppy, and six peripheral connectors. This state-of-the-art power supply also features universal input and ATX12V v2.03 compliance, so you can use it in a variety of situations and almost everywhere, with confidence."

I am pretty sure two rails is above average (even though the maker may be below) so for power distribution; check(?does that sound right?).

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There is a LOT more to it that having multiple rails. I found a picture of the label, and it says 12v1-16a, 12v2-18a. But all that means is that those lines can carry that much amperage, NOT that the PSU can actually produce that much. If that label we accurate it could put out 34a (408w) on the 12v line. I would bet a week wages that it cannot put out anywhere near that.
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#10 jmsbond35
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.............so I can't use it now?

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#11 czechgangster44
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so it's a dead end. unless you find a real, in-depth review. But lets test it; get which ever graphics card you want (again, i would recommend the 4890 from XFX) plug it in, run it under full load (assuming it turns on/powers-up) and see waht happens. If the result is bad, buy a new PSU. if not, your good.

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#12 chris24l
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there is no way I would use that Apevia PSU for a 4890 or GTX275, I don't think it will handle it. I had a 680Watt Sunbeam cheapo hooked to my 4870 and the PSU melted, luckliy I noticed before any damage occured, but try it if you want, knock yourself out, but I would not no way.

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#13 czechgangster44
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even though your (all of you for a new PSU right away) have valid arguements/stories.... i would still do it. Keep your case door open, your nose on alert (haha) and just see what happens. I'm running a 8600 GT(i know, old and crumby) on a 150watt (or maybe 180watt) PSU, and the rest of my computer is also running on the same thing, and even though it may be under powered, and from a cheap manufacturer ("China Critcal Compnents") its doing my games (TF2, Crysis on Medium) well. So i would just do it. XFX has really good warranties, just as a side thought.

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#14 chris24l
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even though your (all of you for a new PSU right away) have valid arguements/stories.... i would still do it. Keep your case door open, your nose on alert (haha) and just see what happens. I'm running a 8600 GT(i know, old and crumby) on a 150watt (or maybe 180watt) PSU, and the rest of my computer is also running on the same thing, and even though it may be under powered, and from a cheap manufacturer ("China Critcal Compnents") its doing my games (TF2, Crysis on Medium) well. So i would just do it. XFX has really good warranties, just as a side thought.

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yeah if you are hurtin for money, I could see tryin it, okay. But those cards the 4890 and GTX 275 draw very much more power than a 8600GT with all do respect, they even draw alot more than a 4850. If he can afford it he should get a better one.

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#15 jmsbond35
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Don't get me wrong guys I really want to try it. Basically the thing is i'm transferring to a new case within a few days and won't get the card for at least a few weeks; maybe more. so I guess it just would be easier to buy a new one b/c reinstalling my Apevia, getting a new card, then taking out the Apevia for a new one all in a month seems like quite a bit of trouble. Any good recommendations for a PS? I really need to keep this as cheap as possible while still being able to run a 4890 and everything without worries.

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#16 chris24l
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Don't get me wrong guys I really want to try it. Basically the thing is i'm transferring to a new case within a few days and won't get the card for at least a few weeks; maybe more. so I guess it just would be easier to buy a new one b/c reinstalling my Apevia, getting a new card, then taking out the Apevia for a new one all in a month seems like quite a bit of trouble. Any good recommendations for a PS? I really need to keep this as cheap as possible while still being able to run a 4890 and everything without worries.

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the only PSU I can recommend is the Corsair 650TX. Its a winner. It will power either of those cards easily, I am sure there is other choices but I can't really speak for others. Its probably not as inexpensive as you want it, but here is the link.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

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Of course that power supply is enough!!!The previous comment must hve been a mistake. The q6600 consumes 95watts, the 4890 (which would be my overwhelming choice) consumes at full load, a whoping 140wattts, but this, plus 3 case fans (15watts max) and then harddruve+other peripherals would amount to 400 watts MAXIMUM!! Really, go for it, without buying a new power supply. ATI and Nvidia always over estimate anyway, so the 4890 propably takes more like 120watts, so really, you've got plenty of head room (probably could even crossfire latter on if you want!) Hope this helps.

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#18 --Anna--
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Don't get me wrong guys I really want to try it. Basically the thing is i'm transferring to a new case within a few days and won't get the card for at least a few weeks; maybe more. so I guess it just would be easier to buy a new one b/c reinstalling my Apevia, getting a new card, then taking out the Apevia for a new one all in a month seems like quite a bit of trouble. Any good recommendations for a PS? I really need to keep this as cheap as possible while still being able to run a 4890 and everything without worries.

jmsbond35

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004 $75 after rebate. Cheers

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#19 czechgangster44
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[QUOTE="czechgangster44"]

Of course that power supply is enough!!!The previous comment must hve been a mistake. The q6600 consumes 95watts, the 4890 (which would be my overwhelming choice) consumes at full load, a whoping 140wattts, but this, plus 3 case fans (15watts max) and then harddruve+other peripherals would amount to 400 watts MAXIMUM!! Really, go for it, without buying a new power supply. ATI and Nvidia always over estimate anyway, so the 4890 propably takes more like 120watts, so really, you've got plenty of head room (probably could even crossfire latter on if you want!) Hope this helps.

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Damn! Sorry if i sounded cocky, but i think the comment i responded too wasn't 100% either.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104057

I know this is a downgrade in power, only 460watts, but it's a better manufacturer then Apevia, and the biggest draw adleast for me, is the >85% efficiency that it has (best one i could find) and the 1watt stand by. Otherwise go with the tried and true Corsair.

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#20 Mr_NoName111
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That PSU is rated for a 16A 12V line and an 18A 12V line. So I'd figure about 30A combined, but since it is a cheap quality PSU it is probably rated at 30*C, so even less in realistic conditions. So I wouldn't use that PSU with a GTX275/Radeon 4890. The problem here is not wattage, it is the quality of the PSU. A Corsair 450w would easily power a Q6600 and 4890/gtx275. But this apevia 550w most likely won't.
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[QUOTE="Mr_NoName111"]That PSU is rated for a 16A 12V line and an 18A 12V line. So I'd figure about 30A combined, but since it is a cheap quality PSU it is probably rated at 30*C, so even less in realistic conditions. So I wouldn't use that PSU with a GTX275/Radeon 4890. The problem here is not wattage, it is the quality of the PSU. A Corsair 450w would easily power a Q6600 and 4890/gtx275. But this apevia 550w most likely won't.

what he said. OCZ,corsair,pc power and cooling,thermaltake,coolermaster are reliable brands and even a 450W psu with enough amps on the 12v lines should be ok with that combo but apevia are bad.