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#1 raufin
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Post all the 5870 and 5850 review u can find here:

Tomshardware: http://www.tomshw.it/graphic.php?guide=20090923

Here is the translated version:http://translate.google.com.bd/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshw.it%2Fgraphic.php%3Fguide%3D20090923&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=

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#2 raufin
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Better than gtx295 in some games especially when AA is cranked up.... great job indeed by Ati.. hope the number improves with some driver updates
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#3 Idontremember
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Looks cool... too bad I can't read it!!!!!

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#4 aura_enchanted
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in short best buy for a high end card if you dont alrdy have one hd 5850 runs the 295 badly through its paces and the 5870 takes it to class in fact it has time to match an asus mars stride for stride (gtx 285x2). but if you own either there really isnt a reason.. in crossfire however they will swamp anything currently available. the 295's only advantage is that its am multigpu and the 5850 and 5870 are single core gpu's if that werent that case 5870 hands down.

in conclusion if your upgrading from anything BUT an hd 4870x2, gtx 295 or asus mars wait it out a little longer. otherwise if you want an upgrade here is the best pick of the litter.

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#5 raufin
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in short best buy for a high end card if you dont alrdy have one hd 5850 runs the 295 badly through its paces and the 5870 takes it to class in fact it has time to match an asus mars stride for stride (gtx 285x2). but if you own either there really isnt a reason.. in crossfire however they will swamp anything currently available. the 295's only advantage is that its am multigpu and the 5850 and 5870 are single core gpu's if that werent that case 5870 hands down.

in conclusion if your upgrading from anything BUT an hd 4870x2, gtx 295 or asus mars wait it out a little longer. otherwise if you want an upgrade here is the best pick of the litter.

aura_enchanted

Dude thats not the advantage thats disadvantage. Anything multigpu on pcb is not very much compatible in games. Thats why u will see in some games in 2560 resolution gtx295 crashes and even u will see in some games the minimum fps is even lower than a gtx280 because games arent fully optimized for multigpu purpose still. Thats why people prefer a single powerful card rather than having weaker cards in sli even though that sli beats the single one. And moreover multigpu means more power consumption and more power means more heat and that means ultimately a little overclocking headroom. I think 5870 is a great buy over gtx295 not only because it costs more than $100 less but also because it is very close to 295 and having those advantages of being single card with 40nm taking less power, less heat and having overclocking headroom and ofcourse the new dx11

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#6 aura_enchanted
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[QUOTE="aura_enchanted"]

in short best buy for a high end card if you dont alrdy have one hd 5850 runs the 295 badly through its paces and the 5870 takes it to class in fact it has time to match an asus mars stride for stride (gtx 285x2). but if you own either there really isnt a reason.. in crossfire however they will swamp anything currently available. the 295's only advantage is that its am multigpu and the 5850 and 5870 are single core gpu's if that werent that case 5870 hands down.

in conclusion if your upgrading from anything BUT an hd 4870x2, gtx 295 or asus mars wait it out a little longer. otherwise if you want an upgrade here is the best pick of the litter.

raufin

Dude thats not the advantage thats disadvantage. Anything multigpu on pcb is not very much compatible in games. Thats why u will see in some games in 2560 resolution gtx295 crashes and even u will see in some games the minimum fps is even lower than a gtx280 because games arent fully optimized for multigpu purpose still. Thats why people prefer a single powerful card rather than having weaker cards in sli even though that sli beats the single one. And moreover multigpu means more power consumption and more power means more heat and that means ultimately a little overclocking headroom. I think 5870 is a great buy over gtx295 not only because it costs more than $100 less but also because it is very close to 295 and having those advantages of being single card with 40nm taking less power, less heat and having overclocking headroom and ofcourse the new dx11

yes but stock you dont see a huge improvement and not everyone OC's i for one dont i view oc'ing gpu's as a bad risk for the gains you might make (5fps.. oh my!)

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#7 Custodian405
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awww... i cant read that review... and the English Toms hardware doesn't have it up. They probably will tomorrow.

Also, Guru3d will have it up on the 23rd.

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#8 raufin
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Oh u meaning while upgrading from 4870x2? yeah ofcourse a person who have a 4870x2 wont be that fool to upgrade his gpu to 5870 when the numbers are pretty identical... i was refering to people who are in the market to buy new graphics card upgrade and want to choose between 5870 and gtx295 they should select 5870 because it has quite good advantages over 295
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#9 iliatay
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wowwwwww this is gaiii i thought its going to blow the water but it can barely beat my 4870x2...... ima get the nvidia gt300's for sure

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#10 raufin
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awww... i cant read that review... and the English Toms hardware doesn't have it up. They probably will tomorrow.

Also, Guru3d will have it up on the 23rd.

Custodian405

just see the benchmark.. the numbers u can read it :) numbers wont lie. I have edited the original post with the translated version (using google translation)

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#11 willx10121013
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wowwwwww this is gaiii i thought its going to blow the water but it can barely beat my 4870x2...... ima get the nvidia gt300's for sure

iliatay

You realize that this is a SINGLE card? the 4870x2's are basically two 4870's on top of eachother.....so the 5870x2 should destroy your 4870x2 (in theory at lest)

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#12 iliatay
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yea but they cost about the same and everyone thought the 5870 alone was gonna blow the gtx295 away, and i will bet u anything that nvidia is going win the dx11 round too

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#13 aura_enchanted
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my one problem.. they reviewed it with NO dx11 systems or any of its bonus features (because no system currently uses them properly if at all) and it wasnt tested with any "proper" drivers it was all prototype. if it works out it should be just as punishing to nivida as they were before the whole hd 2000 incident.

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#14 TerroRizing
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yea but they cost about the same and everyone thought the 5870 alone was gonna blow the gtx295 away, and i will bet u anything that nvidia is going win the dx11 round too

iliatay
Maybe, but it will cost alot more I imagine... unless nvidia changes their ways suddenly.
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#15 UltimateGamer95
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Also guys remember that better drivers and support will come along soon. New technology does take a little bit to get adopted.

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#16 dared3vil0
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Whens it avalible to me? (i already made sure i had room on the credit card ) :P

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#17 UltimateGamer95
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Hey guys here's a video of the card running http://www.guru3d.com/news/tomorrow-23rd-of-september-2009/

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#18 BeavermanA
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http://www.sweclockers.com/articles_show.php?id=6195&page=1

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#19 dared3vil0
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That was in german but i saw a 23 followed by septombaer so i assume thats sep 23'rd :)

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#20 raufin
Member since 2006 • 51 Posts

Whens it avalible to me? (i already made sure i had room on the credit card ) :P

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Here it is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856&Tpk=5870
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#21 UltimateGamer95
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Hey do you think that these reviews could be fudged somehow? I mean Nvidia is really desperate to stall and make some money on the GTX 295 until the GT300 series is released. If any of you happen to get a hold of this card could you do some legit benchmarks please? However, i do understand that there is some heavy CPU bottlenecking here cause the 5870 is one fast card and I don't think even the fastest CPU can handle it lol! See if any of you can benchmark it using a dual socket motherboard with two processors (that's the only way I can think of to reduce the bottleneck beyond overclocking).

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#22 BeavermanA
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If there was really that much cpu bottlenecking the results would be the same among cards. The only one that could potentially be hitting a cpu bottneck is the CF 5870, but that is why they are pushing it with 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 with all the filters. You clearly see huge leaps from 5870 vs CF 5870, so a single 5870 is no where near limited by their cpus.

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#23 raufin
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Hey do you think that these reviews could be fudged somehow? I mean Nvidia is really desperate to stall and make some money on the GTX 295 until the GT300 series is released. If any of you happen to get a hold of this card could you do some legit benchmarks please? However, i do understand that there is some heavy CPU bottlenecking here cause the 5870 is one fast card and I don't think even the fastest CPU can handle it lol! See if any of you can benchmark it using a dual socket motherboard with two processors (that's the only way I can think of to reduce the bottleneck beyond overclocking).

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Not impossible. Nvidia try to do whatever they can. They also stated that their $120 cards are better than the new 58xx series because they offer gpu accelarated physx lol. There's someone who ordered the saphhire 5870 i will post benchmark when he got it.
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#24 raufin
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The 5870 seems to have less hit when AA is turned on. I think it will do much better in dx11 api. But its too early for dx11. The card is not used at the full potential. We will see how it do in hardware tessellation when alien vs predator comes out.
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#25 raufin
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Here's the official english review in some sites :D TomsHardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422.html Guru3d: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/1 TechPowerUp: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/ Anand: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643 TweakTown: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2933/sapphire_radeon_hd_5870_1gb_graphics_card/index.html Legit Reviews: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1080/1/
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as i see the performances on both anad / bit-tech isnt' big enough i hope by a driver next month resolve this and show us the power of 5870 1GB cause it said the 1GB would piratically beat 295GTx on several game and 4870x2 in both minimum / average fps and specially on 1920x1200 that it is require to be focus

There will be a 2GB hopefully it bring the power back and don't cost too much and the driver do it job : or that 5870x2 Hemlock is Getting strong How ever if you notice the gpu ? they are louder and hotter then previous generation but consume less wats in idle but consume more in full-load apparently

if they could also get us some fan that do 40-50DBA AT Load Instead of 66-70DBA : there a huge gap of difference from it : Artic Cooling Did some for 4870x2 :but cost 80$CAD and void warranty for most of GPU Expect XFX i heard : not to mention the temp are higher in both idle / load so there cooler is basically the same as you see on 4870x2

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#27 raufin
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Radeon cards are generally heated more than nvidia cards. Hopefully there will be saphhire vapor-x cards with dual slot cooling so the temp will be much less than the reference design :D
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#28 raufin
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The 5850 is delayed and 5870 is currently out of stock. Seems like there is a shortage of 5870 in different outlets. Newegg told that there will be about 200 gpus next week which is very low. Seems like Amd having hard time to get those things in the market

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#29 thomo081092
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Looks like I'm gonna get a 5850 at xmas probibly. The prices will still be quite high in the Uk so hopefully they will come down abit :). Really lookin forward to gettin this card tbh, it looks a beast compared to my 8800gt xD

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#30 12345678ew
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this means that nvidea's quadro FX series still blows them out of the water, as does ATI's firepro series...... about the same price range too.

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#31 thomo081092
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this means that nvidea's quadro FX series still blows them out of the water, as does ATI's firepro series...... about the same price range too.

12345678ew

Those are workstation gfx cards.................

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#32 9mmSpliff
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I cant wait to see Quad 5870x2 or Tri-5870 reviews. Us higher resolution gamers need to see that more often, then just normal dual GPU setups
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#33 Human-after-all
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Hey do you think that these reviews could be fudged somehow? I mean Nvidia is really desperate to stall and make some money on the GTX 295 until the GT300 series is released. If any of you happen to get a hold of this card could you do some legit benchmarks please? However, i do understand that there is some heavy CPU bottlenecking here cause the 5870 is one fast card and I don't think even the fastest CPU can handle it lol! See if any of you can benchmark it using a dual socket motherboard with two processors (that's the only way I can think of to reduce the bottleneck beyond overclocking).

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You got it the opposite way, its video cards that bottleneck cpus. But no they aren't fudged.