this is a video of the 7600gt and the 8600gt in a argument lmao lol...lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTClgZJTD-Q
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the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2LouieV13
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
[QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2onemic
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2iden2009
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2iden2009
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
I've been pwned? As someone who probably knows A LOT more about video cards than you I've been anything but PWNED. It seems you supporters are really just in self denial that's the card is barely better than a 7600GT, which you can find for $99.
Here's your proof who's been pwned now?
Guru3d
TEST 1
TEST 2
Conclusion
"So in short, both the 8600 GT and GTS are "okay" performers. The one thing that needs to happen for the mainstream user to really accept it is simple. Prices will need to go down. Imagine that GTS at a 150 USD price point."
" The GT is merely 15% faster than a 7600 GT in most scenarios; with the GTS performing at roughly 7900 GS or Radeon X1950 Pro performance. A Radeon X1950 Pro or 7900 GS for example will outperform the GTS in many scenarios and is a good amount cheaper. I can pick either one of them up here in the Netherlands for 150 EUR. Sure, these cards are not DX10 compatible but I think you'll see a lot of reviews today with exactly the same sentiment. Yours truly expected more performance. The 32 Shader cores and the choice of 128-bit memory are the responsible key issues here, and NVIDIA knows this. This is why the clock frequencies on the cards are so high."
"So to sum up my overall impression: The 8600 GT/GTS cards is definitely a fun product series, but it does not have the impact as for example the 7600 GT had when it was released. In fact if you have a 7600 GT or 7900 GS graphics card there really is no huge need to upgrade unless you really want to switch to a DX10 ****graphics card. And from that perspective, that's not what people expected."
Gamespot
Performance test
"The GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT wowed and disappointed us at the same time. Performance in shader intensive games like Oblivion was impressive; however neither of the cards offers performance gains over what you can already purchase in the sub-$200 category. More often than not, the 8600s lag behind the GeForce 7900 GS, the Radeon X1950 Pro, and especially the Radeon X1900 XT. The allure of DirectX 10 support might count for something, but we're not prepared to give Nvidia credit until we see how these cards actually perform with DirectX 10 games. For the moment, we'd pass on the GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT in favor of similarly priced higher-performance DirectX 9 cards."
[QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2onemic
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2iden2009
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
I've been pwned? As someone who probably knows A LOT more about video cards than you I've been anything but PWNED. It seems you supporters are really just in self denial that's the card is barely better than a 7600GT, which you can find for $99.
Here's your proof who's been pwned now?
Guru3d
TEST 1
TEST 2
Conclusion
"So in short, both the 8600 GT and GTS are "okay" performers. The one thing that needs to happen for the mainstream user to really accept it is simple. Prices will need to go down. Imagine that GTS at a 150 USD price point."
" The GT is merely 15% faster than a 7600 GT in most scenarios; with the GTS performing at roughly 7900 GS or Radeon X1950 Pro performance. A Radeon X1950 Pro or 7900 GS for example will outperform the GTS in many scenarios and is a good amount cheaper. I can pick either one of them up here in the Netherlands for 150 EUR. Sure, these cards are not DX10 compatible but I think you'll see a lot of reviews today with exactly the same sentiment. Yours truly expected more performance. The 32 Shader cores and the choice of 128-bit memory are the responsible key issues here, and NVIDIA knows this. This is why the clock frequencies on the cards are so high."
"So to sum up my overall impression: The 8600 GT/GTS cards is definitely a fun product series, but it does not have the impact as for example the 7600 GT had when it was released. In fact if you have a 7600 GT or 7900 GS graphics card there really is no huge need to upgrade unless you really want to switch to a DX10 ****graphics card. And from that perspective, that's not what people expected."
Gamespot
Performance test
"he GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT wowed and disappointed us at the same time. Performance in shader intensive games like Oblivion was impressive; however neither of the cards offers performance gains over what you can already purchase in the sub-$200 category. More often than not, the 8600s lag behind the GeForce 7900 GS, the Radeon X1950 Pro, and especially the Radeon X1900 XT. The allure of DirectX 10 support might count for something, but we're not prepared to give Nvidia credit until we see how these cards actually perform with DirectX 10 games. For the moment, we'd pass on the GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT in favor of similarly priced higher-performance DirectX 9 cards."
Ownage approved
[QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2onemic
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="LouieV13"]the 8600GT is not horrible i should slap you I can play company of heros everything on and same with bf2iden2009
You're just saying that because you bought it. It's only 15% faster than a 7600GT. It's much better to just get that card and then overclock it or get a 7900GS which completely blows the 8600GT out of the water and it costs the same price. The whole 8600 line of cards is complete crap.
hahahahah yeah rite what based of sites that youve seen reviews for? get one your self then u can talk and give your reveiw.PWNED
I've been pwned? As someone who probably knows A LOT more about video cards than you I've been anything but PWNED. It seems you supporters are really just in self denial that's the card is barely better than a 7600GT, which you can find for $99.
Here's your proof who's been pwned now?
Guru3d
TEST 1
TEST 2
Conclusion
"So in short, both the 8600 GT and GTS are "okay" performers. The one thing that needs to happen for the mainstream user to really accept it is simple. Prices will need to go down. Imagine that GTS at a 150 USD price point."
" The GT is merely 15% faster than a 7600 GT in most scenarios; with the GTS performing at roughly 7900 GS or Radeon X1950 Pro performance. A Radeon X1950 Pro or 7900 GS for example will outperform the GTS in many scenarios and is a good amount cheaper. I can pick either one of them up here in the Netherlands for 150 EUR. Sure, these cards are not DX10 compatible but I think you'll see a lot of reviews today with exactly the same sentiment. Yours truly expected more performance. The 32 Shader cores and the choice of 128-bit memory are the responsible key issues here, and NVIDIA knows this. This is why the clock frequencies on the cards are so high."
"So to sum up my overall impression: The 8600 GT/GTS cards is definitely a fun product series, but it does not have the impact as for example the 7600 GT had when it was released. In fact if you have a 7600 GT or 7900 GS graphics card there really is no huge need to upgrade unless you really want to switch to a DX10 ****graphics card. And from that perspective, that's not what people expected."
Gamespot
Performance test
"he GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT wowed and disappointed us at the same time. Performance in shader intensive games like Oblivion was impressive; however neither of the cards offers performance gains over what you can already purchase in the sub-$200 category. More often than not, the 8600s lag behind the GeForce 7900 GS, the Radeon X1950 Pro, and especially the Radeon X1900 XT. The allure of DirectX 10 support might count for something, but we're not prepared to give Nvidia credit until we see how these cards actually perform with DirectX 10 games. For the moment, we'd pass on the GeForce 8600 GTS and the GeForce 8600 GT in favor of similarly priced higher-performance DirectX 9 cards."
I think this is a good time to say this. you just got owned.Fanboism over different video cards by the same company? You guys are nuts..
Btw, I have a 8800 GTS.. blows both those cards out of the water. :P
-- points to self as a fanboi --
At any rate who the heck cares.. buy what you want.. do what you want so long that it doesn't affect me I could give a darn.. but ripping into one another over benchmarks and over two cards made by the same darn company is just "weird".. now if it was ATI vs Nvidia.. I could understand.. but it isn't.
My 7600 GT XXX has treated me really well, it only cost $230 (after taxes and shipping and I am Canadian). I got it last summer to so it has had quite the long life.TrailorParkBoy
All you have to do is overclock the core and memory around 100MHZ and you'll probably end up with roughly the same performance as the 8600GT lol.
hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
you guys do realize a 8800 GS costs only costs $215 now. The 8600 GT's go for like about $140, but they get raped by the 8800's so if you had the extra $75 you could get a card way more powerful. TrailorParkBoyOkay, 2 things. There is no 8800 gs, and if you meant the 8800 GTS then Iw would like a link to one that is $215. the cheapest I ever saw was $240 and that was a about a month ago.
hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
iden2009
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"]My 7600 GT XXX has treated me really well, it only cost $230 (after taxes and shipping and I am Canadian). I got it last summer to so it has had quite the long life.onemic
All you have to do is overclock the core and memory around 100MHZ and you'll probably end up with roughly the same performance as the 8600GT lol.
Until dx10 games come out ;) thats why they made the 8 series cards.a nother thing hear's a couple things the 7600gt does not have and the 8600gt does including price range.
8600gt-price:119(shop around)
7600gt-price:120(for a good one)
8600gt-features
directx 10(witch is coded better then 9 thus better performance)
new shader madual
pipe line sequence performenss
ability to overclcok to gts speeeds
already faster then 7600gt
better for future games that require shader power.
only required 300 wat powersupply(energy suf)
7600gt-features
directx 9(no dx10)-out of date lol
already slower then 8600gt
not much a differecne in overclocking, have to get a better collingdevice ($30)
requires 350 wat powersupply.
week performance in shader heavy games.
thuse the results add up to a wopping pwned!!!!!!!
[QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
Alkpaz
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
[QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
iden2009
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
[QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
Alkpaz
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
laern how to not be a noob they offer noob courses at many noobiversities(pwned)
[QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
iden2009
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
laern how to not be a noob they offer noob courses at many noobiversities(pwned)
What's "laern" mean?Oh boy, smart group here. Listen, the budget 8-series cards are just that, BUDGET. You never, ever, EVER try to say a budget card is great or "omg ub3r pwnage" as you **** retards like to say. They're for people with tight budgets that still want decent performance out of their current system without having to completely overhaul it. Also, the video **** sucked. Try making the speech bubbles contain decent grammar and stop spurting "ha ha ha i pwn u lol pwnage" so **** much. And like I commented on the video itself, it's truly sad when you have to laugh at your own video to get ONE piece of praise from it.Crunchy_PicklesSomeone who understands! Now, I am going to buy an 8800 gts, but like what Crunchy_pickles (WTF? crunchy pickles?) said, they're for people on budgets.
[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"]you guys do realize a 8800 GS costs only costs $215 now. The 8600 GT's go for like about $140, but they get raped by the 8800's so if you had the extra $75 you could get a card way more powerful. el_carlOkay, 2 things. There is no 8800 gs, and if you meant the 8800 GTS then Iw would like a link to one that is $215. the cheapest I ever saw was $240 and that was a about a month ago.
Oh boy, smart group here. Listen, the budget 8-series cards are just that, BUDGET. You never, ever, EVER try to say a budget card is great or "omg ub3r pwnage" as you **** retards like to say. They're for people with tight budgets that still want decent performance out of their current system without having to completely overhaul it. Also, the video **** sucked. Try making the speech bubbles contain decent grammar and stop spurting "ha ha ha i pwn u lol pwnage" so **** much. And like I commented on the video itself, it's truly sad when you have to laugh at your own video to get ONE piece of praise from it. Oh, and you also forgot one major piece. LOGIC. Show the research, show your argument. Like another person linked in a previous post, link to some benchmarks that compare performance and actually show us how they perform. Crunchy_Pickles
=(7600gt fanboy)-peroid
[QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
el_carl
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
laern how to not be a noob they offer noob courses at many noobiversities(pwned)
What's "laern" mean?it means u have no life and your incredibly board to the point of fixing people's spelling mastakes in forums(pathetic)
[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
iden2009
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
laern how to not be a noob they offer noob courses at many noobiversities(pwned)
What's "laern" mean?it means u have no life and your incredibly board to the point of fixing people's spelling mastakes in forums(pathetic)
Don't tell people they have no lives whens you make videos about graphic cards arguing...=(7600gt fanboy)-peroididen2009What kind of blithering retard do you take me for? You?
I don't claim any bias whatsoever in the video card department of computer technology. It's **** retarded to even think of it. If I were to get a new video card right now, It'd be an AGP version of an 8-series budget line, easily. Not because "omg 8600 pwns lol" or "7600 suxx lolzoasduifp", but because I prefer to think about the parts, compare them, and think of the benefits one has over another. Do not try to pin me to your level, you insufferable plebian.
[QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"][QUOTE="iden2009"]hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
el_carl
In a behavior modification form I would give you 10T for "seeking attention"
and in a troll modification form i would give u a 10T for"noob ation"
Learn to spell, they offer remedial english courses at many universities. I recommend checking the local list of courses at your community college/university.
laern how to not be a noob they offer noob courses at many noobiversities(pwned)
What's "laern" mean?it means u have no life and your incredibly board to the point of fixing people's spelling mastakes in forums(pathetic)
Don't tell people they have no lives whens you make videos about graphic cards arguing...ok momy....lol
7600 GT- $89 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062 8600 GT- lowest I could find would be $130 The 8600 GT costs a lot more yet I doubt your going to get that much more performance.a nother thing hear's a couple things the 7600gt does not have and the 8600gt does including price range.
8600gt-price:119(shop around)
7600gt-price:120(for a good one)
8600gt-features
directx 10(witch is coded better then 9 thus better performance)
new shader madual
pipe line sequence performenss
ability to overclcok to gts speeeds
already faster then 7600gt
better for future games that require shader power.
only required 300 wat powersupply(energy suf)
7600gt-features
directx 9(no dx10)-out of date lol
already slower then 8600gt
not much a differecne in overclocking, have to get a better collingdevice ($30)
requires 350 wat powersupply.
week performance in shader heavy games.
thuse the results add up to a wopping pwned!!!!!!!
iden2009
[QUOTE="iden2009"]7600 GT- $89 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062 8600 GT- lowest I could find would be $130 The 8600 GT costs a lot more yet I doubt your going to get that much more performance.a nother thing hear's a couple things the 7600gt does not have and the 8600gt does including price range.
8600gt-price:119(shop around)
7600gt-price:120(for a good one)
8600gt-features
directx 10(witch is coded better then 9 thus better performance)
new shader madual
pipe line sequence performenss
ability to overclcok to gts speeeds
already faster then 7600gt
better for future games that require shader power.
only required 300 wat powersupply(energy suf)
7600gt-features
directx 9(no dx10)-out of date lol
already slower then 8600gt
not much a differecne in overclocking, have to get a better collingdevice ($30)
requires 350 wat powersupply.
week performance in shader heavy games.
thuse the results add up to a wopping pwned!!!!!!!
TrailorParkBoy
look around more(noobs)
look around more(noobs)iden2009Seeing as how Newegg is one of the best sites for computer components, with often the lowest prices around, you won't find much difference in price ranges.
hahahahah ones more!!!if u go to a whole bunch of gaming review sites all their card review's for teh 8600gt are fully differet infact....one site shows results that the 8600gt blowssss away teh 7600gt and then their is a nother to say teh 7600gt blows the 8600gt away...thus hahaha lmao YOU are PWNED!!!!! hahahahahahhaah :)
iden2009
wow....just wow....You're really sad you know that? The fact that you're even suggesting that guru3d is wrong with their benchmarks proves how deep in self denial you are.(Just so you know guru3d is one of the most reputable sources for anything related to PC hardware, but you probably didn't know that....)
Oh and what are these other sites you speak of? If gamespot and guru3d are so wrong with their benchmarks please show us these sites that show the 8600GT blowing away the 7600GT.
EDIT: oh and seeing by the way you're reacting to everyone I bet your next post responding to this one will contain no information on these magical site that show how amazing the 8600GT is and you'll probably call us all noobs too, while giving us no factual info about how the 8600GT actually performs.
[QUOTE="iden2009"]look around more(noobs)Crunchy_PicklesSeeing as how Newegg is one of the best sites for computer components, with often the lowest prices around, you won't find much difference in price ranges.
GOT MINE FROM CERCUITCITY FOR 119 AFTER MAIL IN REBATE AND INSTINT 20 DOLLOR SAVINGS ADING UP TO 119-PWNED!!!
IT IS A TERIBLE REVIEW I KNOW I WAS IN A RUSH HAD TO POOP!!!:Diden2009Mind isn't the only severely underdeveloped organ in that body of yours, I see?
GOT MINE FROM CERCUITCITY FOR 119 AFTER MAIL IN REBATE AND INSTINT 20 DOLLOR SAVINGS ADING UP TO 119-PWNED!!!iden2009Can't really count MIR's, since they're hardly ever available except on certain dates and on sales. And stop typing like a hyperactive 10-year-old, before I start having some -real- fun and start linking images that your mother might ground you for looking at.
Seeing as how Newegg is one of the best sites for computer components, with often the lowest prices around, you won't find much difference in price ranges.[QUOTE="Crunchy_Pickles"][QUOTE="iden2009"]look around more(noobs)iden2009
GOT MINE FROM CERCUITCITY FOR 119 AFTER MAIL IN REBATE AND INSTINT 20 DOLLOR SAVINGS ADING UP TO 119-PWNED!!!
Ya sure you did.....Liar
Oh and do you mind responding to my last post?
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