Need opinions, the cards are the same price. Radeon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127271 Geforce: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130056 According to gpu review[I changed clocks so they match;Radeons memory is underclocked and Geforce is oced]. These are the specs. 3dmark scores: x1950pro: 5080 7900gs: 4650 Radeon: Core Clock: 575 MHz Memory Clock: 600 MHz (1200 DDR) Memory Bandwidth: 38.4 GB/sec Shader Operations: 20700 Operations/sec Pixel Fill Rate: 6900 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 6900 MTexels/sec Vertex Operations: 1150 MVertices/sec Geforce: Core Clock: 450 MHz Memory Clock: 660 MHz (1320 DDR) Memory Bandwidth: 42.24 GB/sec Shader Operations: 9000 Operations/sec Pixel Fill Rate: 7200 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 9000 MTexels/sec Vertex Operations: 787.5 MVertices/sec The geforceobviously needs less power so I'm leaning towards it. Will those shader ratings on the geforce kill me when playing shadowrun?[Gonna play dx9 shadowrun on vista] I don't play at above 1280x960 if you need to know...
go for the ATI!!! its the far faster card in this case. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=584&model2=607&chart=228 check the 2 bar's highlighted as blue. the lower one being the 7900gs.
the x1950's are not known for overclocking, actualy, i tested out plenty myself.
As for me, my 7900gs xt, is overclocked at 600/800, running at 41 degrees celcius on a cheap Zalman CU 700 cooler, at medium fan speed, and very much outperformes the x1950pro video card. Also, optimized drivers for the nvidia card provide better image quality and performance.
the 7900gt maybe, not the GS. the GT compares, the GS is the lower end card. also, you may need to think, that not everyone is overclocking with uber cooling. they just might want a "normal" computer
Well one of my concerns is that the memory on the x1950pro is clocked down by 200mhz. And the gs is overclocked. And these tests show the pro winning, but in this case the clocks are slightly dif. I'm guessing the radeon still has the performance advantage but I should be able to do some slight OCing to get those extra needed frames out with less power and heat. Still think I should go with the radeon?
[QUOTE="DarthVaderNDS"]Well one of my concerns is that the memory on the x1950pro is clocked down by 200mhz. And the gs is overclocked. And these tests show the pro winning, but in this case the clocks are slightly dif. I'm guessing the radeon still has the performance advantage but I should be able to do some slight OCing to get those extra needed frames out with less power and heat. Still think I should go with the radeon? I think you should try for the step-up program personally, but if you're dead-set on keeping the card, the X1950Pro is the better buy if you're not looking to overclock it.
Second, why not overclock? its simple, and without a dought, easy to do! Also, the x1950pro seems to get a lot of praise from some sites as others don't. Out of experience, the card seems to performe exactly like what these guys say: Xtreview
The card is good for sure, at stock settings, it performes better, by sometimes a lot or not. But once the 7900gs is overclocked, the x1950pro just cannot keep up with it.
Now, time for me to get ready to volt mod my 7900gs, so I can get it past GTX speeds, and have it performe very very well!
heck, go get the pre-overclocked 7900gs KO from EVGA, great performance, can probably beat out the x1950pro at stock speeds, and it is considered stock speeds on the 7900gs KO. Go get XG drivers too, great drivers. I am about to review the latest 94.20 drivers from XG, against the normal drivers, and other tweaked drivers.
[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="DarthVaderNDS"]Well one of my concerns is that the memory on the x1950pro is clocked down by 200mhz. And the gs is overclocked. And these tests show the pro winning, but in this case the clocks are slightly dif. I'm guessing the radeon still has the performance advantage but I should be able to do some slight OCing to get those extra needed frames out with less power and heat. Still think I should go with the radeon? I think you should try for the step-up program personally, but if you're dead-set on keeping the card, the X1950Pro is the better buy if you're not looking to overclock it. The slight drawback is that the X1950pro demands more power than the 7900GS. The 7900GS only needs a 350W PSU whereas the X1950pro requires a 400W.
[QUOTE="Cyborg-21"] The slight drawback is that the X1950pro demands more power than the 7900GS. The 7900GS only needs a 350W PSU whereas the X1950pro requires a 400W. I'd also recommend that anyone who wants to game and doesn't have at least a 500w supply (or very high-quality 400 watt unit) look into upgrading that before they start buying graphics cards.
[QUOTE="Cyborg-21"][QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="DarthVaderNDS"]Well one of my concerns is that the memory on the x1950pro is clocked down by 200mhz. And the gs is overclocked. And these tests show the pro winning, but in this case the clocks are slightly dif. I'm guessing the radeon still has the performance advantage but I should be able to do some slight OCing to get those extra needed frames out with less power and heat. Still think I should go with the radeon? I think you should try for the step-up program personally, but if you're dead-set on keeping the card, the X1950Pro is the better buy if you're not looking to overclock it. The slight drawback is that the X1950pro demands more power than the 7900GS. The 7900GS only needs a 350W PSU whereas the X1950pro requires a 400W. Getting this psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817159040 It should handle both cards fine but the gs strains the psu less. Heres some other stuff for you guys to know. I'm only 14 so I'm oozing for money as it is, I can't afford a step-up program or a 20 buck zalman cooler, which may be sad but true. I'm getting vista and just want to be able to run shadowrun on high, and crysis on mid which both use dx9.
[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="Cyborg-21"] The slight drawback is that the X1950pro demands more power than the 7900GS. The 7900GS only needs a 350W PSU whereas the X1950pro requires a 400W. I'd also recommend that anyone who wants to game and doesn't have at least a 500w supply (or very high-quality 400 watt unit) look into upgrading that before they start buying graphics cards. Of course. A good PSU with a lot of amperage is essential for these newer graphics cards.
and do not forget, the 350w is only if the system is already at full load (or almost). I can almost debunk the theory of getting a 500w for SLI based cards.
SKYMTL's Budget PSU roundup
Why do I trust that review? probably because he used the same equipment that Johnny Guru uses, which is what most professional companys (which SKY owns in montreal) that tests PSU's with Oscilloscope (to measure the ripple).
this test shows that a enermax 400w PSU can almost handle the 7900GTO's at SLI.
   x1950pro all the way it can do AA and HDR Lights at same time great 4 image quality. also handy to have 2gigs of ram and dual core processor or youll bottleneck it.
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