9800 GX2 or HD 4870

Both are $285 on newegg.com :shock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130338 9800 GX2

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121258 HD 4870

:shock:

Both are $285 on newegg.com :shock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130338 9800 GX2

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121258 HD 4870

:shock:

Jamiemydearx3

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

Both are $285 on newegg.com :shock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130338 9800 GX2

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121258 HD 4870

:shock:

PC_X360

If I were to purchase either one of the two, I'd go with the 9800 GX2. But I'm sure most of the ppl here are gonna tell you to go with the 4870 cuz the GX2 generates heat badly and most ppl think it's over-priced. (I've created a topic about the GX2 as well and most of the members here told me to go with the 4870) However, I'm not an ATi fan so I'm going to tell you to go with the GX2.Digital_DJ_00

[QUOTE="Digital_DJ_00"]If I were to purchase either one of the two, I'd go with the 9800 GX2. But I'm sure most of the ppl here are gonna tell you to go with the 4870 cuz the GX2 generates heat badly and most ppl think it's over-priced. (I've created a topic about the GX2 as well and most of the members here told me to go with the 4870) However, I'm not an ATi fan so I'm going to tell you to go with the GX2.Jamiemydearx3

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"][QUOTE="Digital_DJ_00"]If I were to purchase either one of the two, I'd go with the 9800 GX2. But I'm sure most of the ppl here are gonna tell you to go with the 4870 cuz the GX2 generates heat badly and most ppl think it's over-priced. (I've created a topic about the GX2 as well and most of the members here told me to go with the 4870) However, I'm not an ATi fan so I'm going to tell you to go with the GX2.Digital_DJ_00

[QUOTE="Digital_DJ_00"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"][QUOTE="Digital_DJ_00"]If I were to purchase either one of the two, I'd go with the 9800 GX2. But I'm sure most of the ppl here are gonna tell you to go with the 4870 cuz the GX2 generates heat badly and most ppl think it's over-priced. (I've created a topic about the GX2 as well and most of the members here told me to go with the 4870) However, I'm not an ATi fan so I'm going to tell you to go with the GX2.Jamiemydearx3

Boo. :P

Ill just stay with the HD 4870, unless a GTX 260 or 9800 GX2 drops down to like $200. :roll:

If you got a motherboard capable of SLI or Crossfire then i would go for either the 260gtx or 4870 for now, and then upgrade to a second of either later on. Overall either setup will be just fine and provide better performance on games that have enough time scaling with sli/crossfire without needing to go QUAD-sli/cf as well.

The newer cards just offer more.

I say 4870 It beat the 9800GX2 in every bench mark i seenf-a-d-3

No, the 9800GX2 is faster than the 4870 in most games, it even beats the GTX280 in many benchmarks. But there's the issue of microstuttering.

[QUOTE="f-a-d-3"]I say 4870 It beat the 9800GX2 in every bench mark i seenmatrixian

No, the 9800GX2 is faster than the 4870 in most games, it even beats the GTX280 in many benchmarks. But there's the issue of microstuttering.

Beats on highs but loses on min, which is more important.

[QUOTE="matrixian"]

[QUOTE="f-a-d-3"]I say 4870 It beat the 9800GX2 in every bench mark i seenCreasianDevaili

No, the 9800GX2 is faster than the 4870 in most games, it even beats the GTX280 in many benchmarks. But there's the issue of microstuttering.

Beats on highs but loses on min, which is more important.

Oh i didn't know that, interesting. That probably has to do with the microstuttering on the 9800gx2.

Edit: Did you mean it loses on min vs 4870 or vs GTX 280 ?

280gtx. 4870 is geared towards the 260gtx and that segment is a give or take. 4870 is a awsome card, and great corssfire, but its not the single most powerful card because the 280gtx is. However so many combinations in this new generation its hard to ever debate it without it turning into a arguement cause no one wants to take a win and accept a loss where it is due.

280gtx has better min FPS. Check the benchies. It isnt because of microstuttering cause that is another beast in itself. It is because it is two 9800GTX's slapped together in a rather ineffective way. Read about the 9800GX2 and while it does have alot of power due to the sandwich it loses out because of how its designed on the min FPS.

When you put in two of them, quad-sli, it gets even worse and it is rather ineffective.

OP SHOULD go 280gtx if he wants a single card until he replaces it. He SHOULD go 260gtx SLI if he can SLI, and 4870 Crossfire if he can crossfire right now. As in, buy a 260gtx or 4870 and add a second later. Getting a 9800GX2 at this point, with all that the newer cards offer and knowing that the 9800gx2 is only going to suffer worse min FPS in later games, makes it a poor investment.

No one here actually believe the 9800GX2 was that price because it was superior right? It is because almost no one is buying them. All of the hardcore tech sites had people waiting for the step up on evga and xfx for their 9800gx2 for the 280gtx.

So i am not telling the to get the 4870. I say saying if he is smart he has 3 choices. 280gtx if he wants single, 260gtx if he wants to sli, or 4870 if he wants crossfire. He could even just ass another 280gtx later on.. but with the 55nm shrink coming I wouldnt want to invest a crapload in the 280gtx SLI yet.

280gtx. 4870 is geared towards the 260gtx and that segment is a give or take. 4870 is a awsome card, and great corssfire, but its not the single most powerful card because the 280gtx is. However so many combinations in this new generation its hard to ever debate it without it turning into a arguement cause no one wants to take a win and accept a loss where it is due.

280gtx has better min FPS. Check the benchies. It isnt because of microstuttering cause that is another beast in itself. It is because it is two 9800GTX's slapped together in a rather ineffective way. Read about the 9800GX2 and while it does have alot of power due to the sandwich it loses out because of how its designed on the min FPS.

When you put in two of them, quad-sli, it gets even worse and it is rather ineffective.

OP SHOULD go 280gtx if he wants a single card until he replaces it. He SHOULD go 260gtx SLI if he can SLI, and 4870 Crossfire if he can crossfire right now. As in, buy a 260gtx or 4870 and add a second later. Getting a 9800GX2 at this point, with all that the newer cards offer and knowing that the 9800gx2 is only going to suffer worse min FPS in later games, makes it a poor investment.

No one here actually believe the 9800GX2 was that price because it was superior right? It is because almost no one is buying them. All of the hardcore tech sites had people waiting for the step up on evga and xfx for their 9800gx2 for the 280gtx.

So i am not telling the to get the 4870. I say saying if he is smart he has 3 choices. 280gtx if he wants single, 260gtx if he wants to sli, or 4870 if he wants crossfire. He could even just ass another 280gtx later on.. but with the 55nm shrink coming I wouldnt want to invest a crapload in the 280gtx SLI yet.

CreasianDevaili

GTX280 cost to much money imo.

The 9800GX2 and HD 4870 are the same price atm. Now ive seen some benches where HD 4870 >> 9800GX2

and the other way around. I think ill just get a HD 4870 because I dont want to deal with the micro stuttering nonsense.

The thing about the GX2 is that it offers great performance when it works, but sorry performance when it doesn't. The HD 4870 usually lags behind, but you'll get consistant framerates. kodex1717

The 9800 GX 2 seems more useful on higher res monitors. :?

[QUOTE="matrixian"]

[QUOTE="f-a-d-3"]I say 4870 It beat the 9800GX2 in every bench mark i seenCreasianDevaili

No, the 9800GX2 is faster than the 4870 in most games, it even beats the GTX280 in many benchmarks. But there's the issue of microstuttering.

Beats on highs but loses on min, which is more important.

EACH time I run crysis benches in the SAME settings I get a totally different minimum FPS.I then increase the settings and the minimum FPS can actaully rise.Maybe it's just crysis as I havent benched anything else is such detail but still strange isnt it?

I mean minimum FPS can seem like random...

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="matrixian"]

[QUOTE="f-a-d-3"]I say 4870 It beat the 9800GX2 in every bench mark i seenSpybot_9

No, the 9800GX2 is faster than the 4870 in most games, it even beats the GTX280 in many benchmarks. But there's the issue of microstuttering.

Beats on highs but loses on min, which is more important.

EACH time I run crysis benches in the SAME settings I get a totally different minimum FPS.I then increase the settings and the minimum FPS can actaully rise.Maybe it's just crysis as I havent benched anything else is such detail but still strange isnt it?

I mean minimum FPS can seem like random...

Take the crysis bench and then lower all of those numbers once you actually play where there is alot of smoke, fightings, and debris. 9800gx2 is a great and powerful card but chokes. Have you ever played a game where you get a bit hit on min FPS and then if something big happens right as you hit the dip it just sinks like a total rock?

You never notice the high fps. Honestly that just allows you to enjoy the game. You do notice when it seems you just went "neo in the matrix!" and suddently your The Flash and everything zooms and you catch back up.

The 9800GX2 isnt just two 9800GTX slapped together like how the 4870x2 is going to be. The 9800X2 has two downclocked 9800GTX's.

GeForce 9800 GX2 Quad SLI resulted in some interesting performance results in Crysis. We did not see Quad SLI scale well in Crysis, and as such we had some mixed results. We were able to run at 1920x1200 with 16X AF, same as SLI and 3-way SLI; however we had to lower Objects, Game Effects and Particles to "Medium." But on the other hand we were able to have Physics, Volumetric Effects and Water on "Very High." Overall, GeForce 9800 GTX 3-way SLI provided a better gaming experience in Crysis than GeForce 9800 GX2 Quad SLI did. Remember, the GeForce 9800 GTX is clocked faster than the GeForce 9800 GX2; it has faster stream processors, ROPs and memory frequencies, which Crysis seems to love.

hardocp

Take the crysis bench and then lower all of those numbers once you actually play where there is alot of smoke, fightings, and debris. 9800gx2 is a great and powerful card but chokes. Have you ever played a game where you get a bit hit on min FPS and then if something big happens right as you hit the dip it just sinks like a total rock?

You never notice the high fps. Honestly that just allows you to enjoy the game. You do notice when it seems you just went "neo in the matrix!" and suddently your The Flash and everything zooms and you catch back up.

The 9800GX2 isnt just two 9800GTX slapped together like how the 4870x2 is going to be. The 9800X2 has two downclocked 9800GTX's.

CreasianDevaili

Obviously the time when your FPS dips is the most crucial in your enjoyment and smoothness of the game in terms of performance.What I meant was that the minimum most FPS that was reached during a bench is something that doesnt matter since it can vary so wildly.When you look at benchmarks showing minimum FPS,they are showing the lowest FPS reached be it for just a second which is quite misleading and as I said before it seems to have randomness attached to it rather than superior hardware.

That figure simply does not realy tell you how smooth and consistent the framerates were.