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#1 Spiritgod
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1. How important is the CPU with the GPU? I keep seeing all this awesome graphics cards with what looks like a weak CPU.

2. When a CPU speed is rated at like a 1.8 or a 2.0, is that going to be the actually speed? Like for instance I have a AMD X2 4200, rated at a 2.2 Ghz but if I remember correctly the actually speed was much faster.

3. If AMD are rated higher that what they actually state would an Intel do the same? And if so what would an Intel Core 2 Duo rated at a 1.8 Ghz actually speed and performance be?

Thanks in advance, I am trying to get back in the loop of PC hardware.

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#2 RayvinAzn
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Sounds like you're unsure of how well certain processors actually perform.

Gigahertz are not a good measurement of how good a processor is anymore. An Athlon X2 clocked at 2.0GHz easily bests a 3.0GHz Pentium 4 (or D, for that matter), whereas a Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.4GHz easily bests an Athlon X2 clocked at 3.0GHz. Gigahertz are only good for comparing processors in the same line - so yes, a 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo is better than a 2.13GHz Core 2 Duo, but either chip is better than a 2.6GHz Athlon X2.

So, to answer your questions:

1: Depends on the CPU and GPU in question. A 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo processor is not a significant bottleneck on any single graphics card on the market.

2: Are you talking about the model number? AMD used a system of approximation, where the model number was basically the equivalent of Pentium 4 clock speed. So an Athlon X2 3200+ was approximately equal to a Pentium 4 clocked at 3.2GHz, despete the Athlon only being clocked at 2.0GHz. When dual-core processing comes into play, that's a whole other monster as well - you can't just add the core speeds up on your processor to 4.4GHz, it doesn't work like that. You simply have two 2.2GHz Athlon 64 processors working side-by-side in your computer.

3: An Intel Core 2 Duo clocked at 1.8GHz performs at approximately the same level as an Athlon 64 X2 5000+, which is clocked at 2.6GHz (and according to AMD's nomenclature, approximately equal to a Pentium 4 clocked at 5.0GHz, but that's most likely not as accurate as it was three or four years ago).

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In RTS games CPU is more important, at low res. CPU is more important. Once you play higher res. you'll need a high-end graphics to run it. It all depends, X2s were great for gaming not too long ago and then the Core 2 came out and smoked it (overclocked) so you saw huge FPS increases even at my res. (1680*1050) :) It's all about the architecture, the X2 4200 is called a 4200 because AMD rated it as being as fast as a 4.2GHZ Pentium 4. Now that the Core 2 architecture is out they're going to switch things around and get a new naming scheme. From what i've seen Athlon 64s need to be about 600MHZ ahead to keep pace with a Core 2 Duo, say 2.6ghz X2 = 2.0ghz Core 2, of course once you OC it's not even close.

You were lucky if you could get 3GHZ on air with an Athlon 64 X2,(not sure about the new 65nm though) where as most Core 2 Duos are hitting around 3.4-3.6+GHZ. That plus you take into account that they're about 20-30% faster clock for clock. :) Intel just shrunk their CPUs to the 45nm process and we're seeing people hit 4GHZ on air cooling with ease, those are the best chips right now if all you do is game and don't need a Quad (nothing can really take advantage, except maybe Crysis which will still be unplayable) however if you run Folding@Home a Quad would be the way to go, if you have the money. :P /rant
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#4 Spiritgod
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I think I am kind of getting it. But for save measure I want to give two examples.

There are two laptops, one of them has a Intel Core 2 Duo 2.5 CPU with a GeForce 8600M GS 512MB graphics card. The other has a Intel Core 2 Duo 1.83 CPU with a GeForce 8700M GT 512MB graphics card. I guess I am still in the past because I keep looking at the CPU speeds and always focusing on the 2.5 because to me that looks faster. Which one of the two would out perform in gaming?

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For gaming, the laptop with the 8700M GT will provide a better gaming experience. The 8600M GS had its texture and shader units crippled compared to the 8600M GT, they both got cut in half. The 8700M GT is just clocked a little higher.

I'd shoot for a balance if at all possible though - see if you can get an 8600M GT and a 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo. 2.5GHz is overkill for a laptop Core processor, and the 8700M GT is overpriced for the performance it gives.

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For gaming, the laptop with the 8700M GT will provide a better gaming experience. The 8600M GS had its texture and shader units crippled compared to the 8600M GT, they both got cut in half. The 8700M GT is just clocked a little higher.

I'd shoot for a balance if at all possible though - see if you can get an 8600M GT and a 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo. 2.5GHz is overkill for a laptop Core processor, and the 8700M GT is overpriced for the performance it gives.

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I am actually talking to a rep about trying to get the 8700 GT or better and then I may lower the CPU to kind of even out the price but right now as it stands the two laptops are almost identical in price. But if I couldn't then I was thinking of the laptop with the higher CPU because I need it for more than just gaming.

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I am actually talking to a rep about trying to get the 8700 GT or better and then I may lower the CPU to kind of even out the price but right now as it stands the two laptops are almost identical in price. But if I couldn't then I was thinking of the laptop with the higher CPU because I need it for more than just gaming.

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Cut back to the 8600M GT, and then keep the processor at around 2.2GHz or so, that would be an ideal combination if you ask me.

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I am actually talking to a rep about trying to get the 8700 GT or better and then I may lower the CPU to kind of even out the price but right now as it stands the two laptops are almost identical in price. But if I couldn't then I was thinking of the laptop with the higher CPU because I need it for more than just gaming.

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Cut back to the 8600M GT, and then keep the processor at around 2.2GHz or so, that would be an ideal combination if you ask me.

What would be the difference between 4MB and 6MB of L2 cache, performance wise?

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What would be the difference between 4MB and 6MB of L2 cache, performance wise?

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Depends on the application, but by and large, nothing. Core 2 Duo chips to love cache, but there's usually a sweet spot. 2-4MB is a good amount for the laptop chips.
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#10 Spiritgod
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I think I am getting it. I just hope that what ever graphics card I get it will handle some graphics rendering, or whatever my college decides to throw at me. Thanks for the help, I have been out of the loop for so long that every time I need to upgrade my desktop it takes me a good couple of weeks to learn all the new technologies.