what hes tryin tos ay is hed rather bee running it on max with a dx9 card than on low with a dx10 card. obviously the dx9 card on max will look and perform better.
what hes tryin tos ay is hed rather bee running it on max with a dx9 card than on low with a dx10 card. obviously the dx9 card on max will look and perform better.Deamon321
We will see. It is much too early for you to say that...
[QUOTE="Deamon321"]what hes tryin tos ay is hed rather bee running it on max with a dx9 card than on low with a dx10 card. obviously the dx9 card on max will look and perform better.LordEC911
We will see. It is much too early for you to say that... dude look deeeeeeeeeeeeep inside urself and ask yourself, what are the chances of a low end dx10 outperform a high end dx9 card??? just compare the 7300 to the 6800.
dude look deeeeeeeeeeeeep inside urself and ask yourself, what are the chances of a low end dx10 outperform a high end dx9 card??? just compare the 7300 to the 6800.Deamon321
WTF! Please know what you are talking about before you type something that stupid again.
The 8300GT has similar specs to a 7900gt, except it has a 128-bit memory interface compared to 256bit for the 7900gt. Plus where did I say that a lowend DX10 card will outperform a highend DX9 card? I never said that.
[QUOTE="Deamon321"]dude look deeeeeeeeeeeeep inside urself and ask yourself, what are the chances of a low end dx10 outperform a high end dx9 card??? just compare the 7300 to the 6800.LordEC911
WTF! Please know what you are talking about before you type something that stupid again.
The 8300GT has similar specs to a 7900gt, except it has a 128-bit memory interface compared to 256bit for the 7900gt. Plus where did I say that a lowend DX10 card will outperform a highend DX9 card? I never said that. aaight aaight dont trip out on me now... i didnt mean it like an insult. And i put a lotrta thought into that lst post.
The low end Dx10 cards will be able to run Dx10 only games that no Dx9 card can run. Who says that a high end Dx9 cards will run Crysis better then a low end Dx10 card?
roulettethedog
i do, unless u can theres proof that says otherwise. but fo now its just speculation. for all we know the 8300 is liek a gforce 4.
There's always going to be a low end card for each generation. There is more to a video card than raw polygon counts and pipelines. DX10 and the new 8 series cards also have newer, better video processing abilities, which make good entry level or media PC's that don't need to run the latest and greatest games. The low end cards are for general computing and maybe light/casual gaming. On the producer side of things, economics, marketing, and a bit of psychology say that a tiered market leads to increased sales.
not trying to spread rumours but im sure somewhere there was some vague benchmarks for crysis...... from some german company ( could veyr easily be lies ) but it had a uber setup ( best avaiable at the time8800gtx SLI - Quad core )trying to run crysis on max settings and turning out very slowly.... but then again by the time crysis comes out the next set of graphics cards will be out G81 etc etc. by the time crysis comes to the mass market in a years time, im sure there will be graphics cards which can happily max it out, which i suppose is what the developers want, if you look at all games which are graphicly outstanding it seems to take a year or so for consumer hardware to catch up for example.
Half life 2, Fear, far cry, supreme commander all outstanding games but took 6-12months before mass consumer hardware caught up.
of course this is all my own oppion on the subject and is just speculation on the future......
The low end Dx10 cards will be able to run Dx10 only games that no Dx9 card can run. Who says that a high end Dx9 cards will run Crysis better then a low end Dx10 card?
roulettethedog
By the time there are games that require directx 10 harwdare, the 8300 will be too bad. Kind of like a FX5200 being a directx 9 card but being too slow to play games like Far Cry or BF2Â at anything but the lowest detail setting.Â
Obviously a high-end directx 9 card will play Crysis much better and look better at similar framerate than a low-end directx 10 card.
not trying to spread rumours but im sure somewhere there was some vague benchmarks for crysis...... from some german company ( could veyr easily be lies ) but it had a uber setup ( best avaiable at the time8800gtx SLI - Quad core )trying to run crysis on max settings and turning out very slowly.... but then again by the time crysis comes out the next set of graphics cards will be out G81 etc etc. by the time crysis comes to the mass market in a years time, im sure there will be graphics cards which can happily max it out, which i suppose is what the developers want, if you look at all games which are graphicly outstanding it seems to take a year or so for consumer hardware to catch up for example.
Half life 2, Fear, far cry, supreme commander all outstanding games but took 6-12months before mass consumer hardware caught up.
of course this is all my own oppion on the subject and is just speculation on the future......
Goldmatter
There are cards out now that can happily max out Crysis, the 8800GTX and 8800GTS.
Some reasons why that benchmark is BS: #1 Crysis was/is still in pre-Alpha, meaning there has been literally no optimization done. #2 Since Crysis is still in developement, I highly doubt they somehow got it playing away from the devs. #3 They said they were playing it in DX10, correct? Well Nvidia still doesn't have any Vista drivers out that support SLI, so they probably would have seen playable framerates if they used only one 8800GTX.
Either way those benchmarks were complete and utter BS.
BTW- we saw Crysis playing maxed out @ 2048x1536 at CES on a single 8800GTX.
a low end dx10 card such as the 8300 GT will not outperform a high end dx9 card such as the 7900 GTX. this is like comparing the FX5200 (a DX9 card) to the geforce4 Ti 4600 (a DX8 card). the ti 4600 will easily beat the 5200 in any game even though it is dx8. just bcuz a card is newer, it dsnt mean it is better unless u are comparing the same catagories such as high-end vs high-end in which case the newer will usually win.
a low end dx10 card such as the 8300 GT will not outperform a high end dx9 card such as the 7900 GTX. this is like comparing the FX5200 (a DX9 card) to the geforce4 Ti 4600 (a DX8 card). the ti 4600 will easily beat the 5200 in any game even though it is dx8. just bcuz a card is newer, it dsnt mean it is better unless u are comparing the same catagories such as high-end vs high-end in which case the newer will usually win.SLI_Yoshi
That is very true, but its a fact that a dx9 card CAN NOT run in DX10 mode, and nobody knows the performance increase from dx9 to 10 so nobody knows which will out perform which.
what i think he's trying to say and this is my opinion, theres not much sense in upgrading to vista and paying for a dx10 card if you can't run it on high, right it kind of defeats the purpose because you might as well use a dx9 card
The low end Dx10 cards will be able to run Dx10 only games that no Dx9 card can run. Who says that a high end Dx9 cards will run Crysis better then a low end Dx10 card?
roulettethedog
i do, unless u can theres proof that says otherwise. but fo now its just speculation. for all we know the 8300 is liek a gforce 4.
We won't know till Crysis comes out if a high end Dx9 card will look better then a low-end Dx10 card. If the 8300 run Crysis prettier, All Dx9 cards will be worth squat which seems unlikely.
no see i mean obviously it can run it "prettier" but the cost of that prettyness will be that you get 10 fps. id rather have it at 40 fps maxed out on dx9 than 5fps maxed out on a 8300 with dx10
[QUOTE="saifiii"]point DX10 will take over, meaning SM3 and DX9 cards will be obsolete in some time Very true, in 2 or 3 years people will be like DX9?
[QUOTE="--JpR--"]is 8800 a good dx10 card?Generalkill8888
No its terrible Its total trash everyone with them, bought the loewst crap dx10 card. IT cant even run in 32bit color mode. Yes its the only DX10 card out right now.
8800 ofcourse! its DX10! As for the 8300GT, it is abit faster than a 7900GT, but this is a double sided sword it could swing both ways. It could run crysis in Dx10 at 1027*768 high 40Fps in DX10 or it could run it at bout 5fps and loose to a 7900GT ;) well have to wait till narch to find out its 'True' power as for now please by all means hold you breath or not! :P
is ibuypower.com a good website to buy comps?--JpR--
8800 is better for the DX10 feature set. In terms of raw performance, I think the 8800GTS is comparable to a 7950GX2 and the 8800GTX is faster than it.
I thought the whole point of DirectX 10 was the fact that cards claiming to be HAD to be able to run all the effects to actually be labeled as "compliant" ? And even then, it's too early to say until the cards are actually out along with the game.
[QUOTE="Deamon321"]dude look deeeeeeeeeeeeep inside urself and ask yourself, what are the chances of a low end dx10 outperform a high end dx9 card??? just compare the 7300 to the 6800.LordEC911
WTF! Please know what you are talking about before you type something that stupid again.
The 8300GT has similar specs to a 7900gt, except it has a 128-bit memory interface compared to 256bit for the 7900gt. Plus where did I say that a lowend DX10 card will outperform a highend DX9 card? I never said that. Memory interface makes a huge difference in games like crysis
[QUOTE="Deamon321"]dude look deeeeeeeeeeeeep inside urself and ask yourself, what are the chances of a low end dx10 outperform a high end dx9 card??? just compare the 7300 to the 6800.LordEC911
WTF! Please know what you are talking about before you type something that stupid again.
The 8300GT has similar specs to a 7900gt, except it has a 128-bit memory interface compared to 256bit for the 7900gt. Plus where did I say that a lowend DX10 card will outperform a highend DX9 card? I never said that. Not to mention the fact that the 6800 Ultra was DX9, like the 7300GT. DX10 is based on efficiency, achieving more with less.
dx10 doesnt mean uber gaming performance, look at the dx9 cards, some are very fast whilst others are slowGigagamer2
No it doesn't. Though seeing the numbers of shaders, the core and memory speeds and the suppose added increase of performance from DX10, which we have seen a small glimpse of with a single 8800GTX running Crysis @ 2048x1536, the low end cards do seem to still have quite a punch too them.
dx10 doesnt mean uber gaming performance, look at the dx9 cards, some are very fast whilst others are slowGigagamer2
DX10 is just released and most firms are still grasping all instruction sets that are available. They just started using them, they don't grasp the full potential of it yet because it's in such an early state. But with DX10 comes a newer generation of hardware with better specs. The better tech level and lower transistor size + added transistors, new PSB layout, low-level hardware optimisations, higher clocks, higher RAM freq., more and better RAM, new SM version and higher mem. interface all add to the better performance. It all goes hand in hand. You can have a great card, but if no games can use the full potential of it, it gets interpreted as a weak card, while in really, it really isn't.
That problem can be blamed on a few things (dx9 games on vista's DX10): - DirectX 10 uses a new driver model that has been of significant frustration for nVidia in particular lately. - DirectX 10 basically drops all the different elements of DirectX from prior revisions (DirectInput, DirectSound, etc.) for stuff like XInput... which come from the Xbox 360 development software, hardware and API. - DirectSound3D (which integrated CreativeLabs' EAX) officially nixed in favor of OpenAL, which at the moment, only a very small sample of computer games feature. Vista (out of the box) has no OpenGL support whatsoever, making for graphics manufacturers needing to supply their own ICD to run OpenGL applications within Windows Vista, where there was always at least partial support for it in Windows XP and prior.
i think nvidia's driver trouble is probably more laziness than anything else.. supposedly ATi split their driver team in half well before the vista launch to get working vista drivers ready, hence their drivers being pretty decent right now. as far as the 8300gt thing goes.. 128-bit memory is a pretty huge gimp. it basically spells 'midrange card at best' and has for awhile now. and in the end, the one thing we do have to take a guess at how they'll perform is past experience - a next-gen lowend card has never outperformed the last-gen mid/high end. you're talking radeon 9000 vs. 8500, x300 vs. 9800np, x1300 vs. x850 pro, fx5200 vs. ti4200, 6200 vs. 5900nu, 7300 vs. 6800gt.. and so on. it's a pretty decent bet that in the end, nvidia's going to stick to the business model they've followed for most of the last decade.
the system i have now i just bought for a good price $1150 was a ASUS M2N-SLI DELUXE w/ Nforce 570 MCP 2000mhz HT AMD 5600+ X2 DUAL CORE (2.81ghz rated at 8.40ghz performance given both cores are used of course lets not sugarcoat the issue on that one) ZALMAN 9700 LED I have 2GB of CORSAIR XMS2 PC 6400 DDR2 DUAL CHANNEL I have a LEADTEK WINFAST PX8800 GTS 640 MB (320bit) (stock clock 520/800mhz no oc but ive gone up without a sweat to 575/860 easily and the damn thing never broke a sweat) X-fi extreme music SATA raptor 10k RPM Western Digital 74gb (should of got the 150gb but might as well get the new SATAII's that are out now) and its running on a ANTEC 2.0 500 watt power supply with 4 fans running personally i didnt want to get the GTX cause theyll come out with next set of DX10 cards so might as well wait, and hand it off to my nephew. sexy system for that price to say the least. I play Rainbow 6:vegas at maxxed settings and resolution of 1280x960 :) i get 25-50+ fps and play on realistic mode, absolutely phenomonal if frustrating firefights.
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