A survey on game piracy

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#1 darklord888
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I'm doing a study about piracy and seeing as PC is the system that gets the most flak over it I thought I'd post this here. It's just a 6 question survey that'll only take about 30 seconds to do.

Also, I know piracy is a no-no around here but this is just a survey so I hope that's ok, if it's not then please lock this. I didn't see any direct rule against it though, only talking about actually pirating stuff.

One final thing this survey is aimed at people who do pirate things, wether it's a lot or just a few times. If you NEVER pirate, there is no need in doing it. So please help out and thanks! :)


One final thing this survey is aimed at people who do pirate things, wether it's a lot or just a few times. If you NEVER pirate, there is no need in doing it.
One final thing this survey is aimed at people who do pirate things, wether it's a lot or just a few times. If you NEVER pirate, there is no need in doing it.
One final thing this survey is aimed at people who do pirate things, wether it's a lot or just a few times. If you NEVER pirate, there is no need in doing it.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GNK6N2F

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#2 GazaAli
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sadly its going to get locked and you will end up with a warning. Which is unnecessary to be honest.
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#3 darklord888
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sadly its going to get locked and you will end up with a warning. Which is unnecessary to be honest.GazaAli
Damn, really? All it is is a study on a serious topic. I'm not saying for people to spill their guts about what they pirate. I even put it on that surveymonkey site so people didn't need to post the answers here. This is a really hard topic to research as every site but a few(and most of them are warez sites) won't allow me to even ask this kind of thing.
How is anyone meant to get some hard facts on piracy when it's taboo to ask the people who make it happen?

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#4 Renevent42
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Even then you aren't getting "facts"...just responses from people. People lie, embellish, and exaggerate all the time. Most surveys actually know this too and apply statistical adjustments to try and balance the results.
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#5 darklord888
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Even then you aren't getting "facts"...just responses from people. People lie, embellish, and exaggerate all the time. Most surveys actually know this too and apply statistical adjustments to try and balance the results.Renevent42
It's better facts than "Pc is dead!!" or "Crysis would have sold 8 million more without piracy"
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#6 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Even then you aren't getting "facts"...just responses from people. People lie, embellish, and exaggerate all the time. Most surveys actually know this too and apply statistical adjustments to try and balance the results.darklord888
It's better facts than "Pc is dead!!" or "Crysis would have sold 8 million more without piracy"

Not really, you need to understand what a fact is. It's either a fact or not...just because you can point to something even more outlandish, doesn't make something else more factual.

And who made those claims anyway? I remember the crysis devs being dissapointed with how much Crysis was pirated and they probably said they would have sold more had there been none, but I don't remember them saying it would have sold 8 million more copies.

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#7 darklord888
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[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]Even then you aren't getting "facts"...just responses from people. People lie, embellish, and exaggerate all the time. Most surveys actually know this too and apply statistical adjustments to try and balance the results.Renevent42

It's better facts than "Pc is dead!!" or "Crysis would have sold 8 million more without piracy"

Not really, you need to understand what a fact is. It's either a fact or not...just because you can point to something even more outlandish, doesn't make something else more factual.

And who made those claims anyway? I remember the crysis devs being dissapointed with how much Crysis was pirated and they probably said they would have sold more had there been none, but I don't remember them saying it would have sold 8 million more copies.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was basically saying crysis could have hit 8 million sales if it wasn't for piracy which is a load of crap.
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#8 Renevent42
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I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.

didn't crysis sell 3 million? what similar games sell 12,000,000+ on consoles, crazy crytek.
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#10 darklord888
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.

How am I biased? I haven't even said anything that would mean taking a side. And what point do you think I'm trying to make? Maybe go back to system wars, yeah?
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#11 Renevent42
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It's obvious, dude.

Also, I found a quote from the dude that made Crysis:

Well, the perception is of course like this because equally rated games on multiple platforms sell three to four times more. That's the reality. And this wouldn't be like this if it was not for piracy to some degree. I don't think we would sell three to four times more. If piracy were to a certain degree reduced, I think we would double the sales, and doubling the sales would be a drastic impact for us to say, "Yes, we remain completely PC exclusive." If we could double the sales, then hell yeah, we would be platform exclusive because we love the PC platform. But I have my doubts that the PC industry will retain that level, and we will see what happens with Warhead. Cevat Yerli

At the time of the interview Crysis had sold like a million copies...so at most he thought that with reduced piracy they would have saw an additional million sales. Nowhere near 8 million, and he even plainly says he didn't expect console like sales (where games like Halo sell 8 million copies).

And realistically he isn't even claiming that as a fact anyways...

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#12 darklord888
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Who even cares about crysis? I was using that just as an example and that's it. The topic isn't even about crysis and that isn't being bias. Because I get some crysis quote wrong, what? That means I'm bias against...crysis? developers? Pirates? You make no sense.

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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.

didn't crysis sell 3 million? what similar games sell 12,000,000+ on consoles, crazy crytek.

they looked at cod4, and figured they would of sold just as well.
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Didnt he say that crytek was moving to console only at some point because he was upset about the P-word?

Liar!!!!

Crysis 2 coming to pc....so there you go, there is still money to be made even if people P-word the game....

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#15 Renevent42
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Because the example is false (or at best greatly exaggerated)? The fact you conjured up this "example" in the first place shines some light into your motivations/bias too.

Didnt he say that crytek was moving to console only at some point because he was upset about the P-word?

Liar!!!!

Crysis 2 coming to pc....so there you go, there is still money to be made even if people P-word the game....

kokonut1971

No, he said they would no longer develop PC only games and focus on multiplatform instead.

Where does all this misinformation come from?

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#16 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.

didn't crysis sell 3 million? what similar games sell 12,000,000+ on consoles, crazy crytek.

At the time of the interview it had only sold a bit over a million or so. Also, according to wiki MW2 sold like 10 million copies world wide.
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]I tried searching and didn't see him make any claim like that. The only thing I did see him say was pointing out how similar titled games on consoles sell 4-5 times more, and that he would not be making PC only titles anymore. Anyways, you sound very biased and it seems instead of doing research, you are merely trying to prove a point with a silly survey.

didn't crysis sell 3 million? what similar games sell 12,000,000+ on consoles, crazy crytek.

At the time of the interview it had only sold a bit over a million or so. Also, according to wiki MW2 sold like 10 million copies world wide.

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas sold like 20 million copies worldwide, which has about as much to do with how well crysis sold.
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#18 Renevent42
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Right, because Crysis is PC exclusive...which of course they are not doing anymore. Will be interesting to see how well Crysis 2 sells.
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Right, because Crysis is PC exclusive...which of course they are not doing anymore. Will be interesting to see how well Crysis 2 sells.Renevent42
I have a feeling that it wont do as well on console as crytek thinks.

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#20 Renevent42
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[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Right, because Crysis is PC exclusive...which of course they are not doing anymore. Will be interesting to see how well Crysis 2 sells.TerrorRizzing

I have a feeling that it wont do as well on console as crytek thinks.

I don't think they will reach MW2 levels of success, partly because Crytek/Crysis isn't as well know as Call of Duty (or similar titles). However, I'd wager they will at least double (maybe triple) their sales from what it was on the PC alone.
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#21 crozon
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a problem with your survey. what of those people who don't pirate games. and yes me and load of my friends now only buy our games and don't pirate.
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a problem with your survey. what of those people who don't pirate games. and yes me and load of my friends now only buy our games and don't pirate.crozon
op said it's for people who do pirate things, i think he's trying to find out why rather than who.
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#23 True_Sounds
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I answered it honestly :D

Although you should really pick a better place than GS if you want correct results. The percentage of people who buy games on here is vastly greater than normal, even though a ton of people download cracked games without publicly stating it on here. Actually, asking on any forum would give a bad bias, because your average gamer probably doesn't participate on forums.

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#25 darklord888
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[QUOTE="crozon"]a problem with your survey. what of those people who don't pirate games. and yes me and load of my friends now only buy our games and don't pirate.Mckenna1845
op said it's for people who do pirate things, i think he's trying to find out why rather than who.

Pretty much yeah. This survey has pirates in mind.
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#26 Lach0121
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Why don't you stop the research and try to make a new research about HOW TO POST RELEVANTLY... seriousely, this research of yours is probably, no, it HAS GOT to be the worst thing i ever seen since the new disney shows... man...

Honnodenrei

... Did you create this account just so you can post irritating, and rather ignorant statements like these?

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Why don't you stop the research and try to make a new research about HOW TO POST RELEVANTLY... seriousely, this research of yours is probably, no, it HAS GOT to be the worst thing i ever seen since the new disney shows... man...

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You don't have to take the survey you know? You could just ignore it.
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[QUOTE="Honnodenrei"]

Why don't you stop the research and try to make a new research about HOW TO POST RELEVANTLY... seriousely, this research of yours is probably, no, it HAS GOT to be the worst thing i ever seen since the new disney shows... man...

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[QUOTE="FadeToBlack90"]

[QUOTE="Honnodenrei"]

Why don't you stop the research and try to make a new research about HOW TO POST RELEVANTLY... seriousely, this research of yours is probably, no, it HAS GOT to be the worst thing i ever seen since the new disney shows... man...

chandu83

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And how was the gourmet you ordered from McDonalds last night?

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#33 Teuf_
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Sorry but you can't post your surveys here.