About "building Dell PCs...."

Is it possible that Dell sends you the hardware stuff and you "build them"?? Because I think my step mom is lying about it. She claims that she built it. But I actually thought when you buy Dell PCs, they are always pre-built. So, can anyone confirm that it is actually possible to "build Dell PCs'' except Dell itself? Also, I was the one that signed on UPS papers when they shipped it to my house and I opened it as a christmas present and it seemed obvious that it came pre-built, I cant remember if the tapes on the boxes were still intact at the time though.

You can customize them, but you are severely limited by your choices.

EDIT: This is what I mean, and what your mom probably did.

Is it possible that Dell sends you the hardware stuff and you "build them"?? Because I think my step mom is lying about it. She claims that she built it. But I actually thought when you buy Dell PCs, they are always pre-built. So, can anyone confirm that it is actually possible to "build Dell PCs'' except Dell itself? Also, I was the one that signed on UPS papers when they shipped it to my house and I opened it as a christmas present and it seemed obvious that it came pre-built, I cant remember if the tapes on the boxes were still intact at the time though.

sethman410

Dells only come pre-built as far as I know.Toxic-Seahorse

That's what I thought. She wasn't lying. I asked her again and she said she just chose what components to have. So, I guess in this case you call them "custimized pre-built PCs". sethman410

Exactly. Most big brand names do that. They have a certain set of available parts, and you get a little bit of input to decide exactly what processor and stuff you want. They still put it together after you pick the parts, and send it to you. And it's still more expensive than if you built it yourself.

Your step-mom lied to you :lol:MonsieurX

The whole Dell publicity campaign is about "build your own system". She probably saw one of those ads so that's how she called it.

why dell?

they are overpriced and terrible

why dell?

they are overpriced and terrible

quebec946

why dell?

they are overpriced and terrible

quebec946

+1, I've had a few and they all fell apart (literally) after 1-2 years. Very cheap hardware and such. Case was made of crappy plastic and chipped and cracked, poor case deisgn....and to top it off they don't use standard case and motherboard sizes (like ATX) so you can't change a part if you need to...you're forced to buy their custom ones.

You can customize them, but you are severely limited by your choices.

EDIT: This is what I mean, and what your mom probably did.

EliteM0nk3y

Oh, my god... $929 + tax for a computer with a 7770 and 1TB HD, $1029 for the 2TB one...

Oh well, I guess that's what most pre-built go for.

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of money people waste buying prebuilt PCs when it's really not that difficult to build one yourself.

I'd sit on the damn phone with somebody and walk them through the process if they paid me. Damn.

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of money people waste buying prebuilt PCs when it's really not that difficult to build one yourself.

I'd sit on the damn phone with somebody and walk them through the process if they paid me. Damn.

airshocker

It's called time and interest. Some people don't have the time or the interest to do it themselves, so they just get it built.FelipeInside

Eh, I don't really agree. I'm as busy as anyone yet I can find time when something needs to be done.

As for the interest part: Why wouldn't you be interested in computers yet interested in computer-gaming? That's kind of silly to me.

When you're paying DOUBLE what it would cost you to do yourself(without ANY formal training required), there is no excuse except laziness.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]It's called time and interest. Some people don't have the time or the interest to do it themselves, so they just get it built.airshocker

Eh, I don't really agree. I'm as busy as anyone yet I can find time when something needs to be done.

As for the interest part: Why wouldn't you be interested in computers yet interested in computer-gaming? That's kind of silly to me.

When you're paying DOUBLE what it would cost you to do yourself(without ANY formal training required), there is no excuse except laziness.

there are heaps of people that love PC Gaming but don't care for PC Building...FelipeInside

Casual gamers.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]there are heaps of people that love PC Gaming but don't care for PC Building...bloodling

Casual gamers.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]there are heaps of people that love PC Gaming but don't care for PC Building...FelipeInside

Casual gamers.

>implying it can only be used as an insult

why get pissed at everything

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

Casual gamers.

wis3boi

>implying it can only be used as an insult

why get pissed at everything

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]there are heaps of people that love PC Gaming but don't care for PC Building...FelipeInside

Casual gamers.

Casual gamers don't play nearly as much or as many games as hardcore gamers do, their interest in games and pc specs is much more limited. If you're a hardcore gamer then that means you at least care about your computer specs a little, and eventually will think about upgrading or building a new monitor. If not, then you're not a hardcore gamer at all. Sure, there must be lots of people between casual gamers and hardcore gamers. I guess I should have said casuals and semi-casuals. Was my point not clear enough?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

Casual gamers.

bloodling

Casual gamers don't play nearly as much or as many games as hardcore gamers do, their interest in games and pc specs is much more limited. If you're a hardcore gamer then that means you at least care about your computer specs a little, and eventually will think about upgrading or building a new monitor. If not, then you're not a hardcore gamer at all. Sure, there must be lots of people between casual gamers and hardcore gamers. I guess I should have said casuals and semi-casuals. Was my point not clear enough?

How else is it to be taken? There are PC gamers out there that don't build their own PCs but play more hours, research more about gaming and becomes hardcore at some games than gamers that like to build their own PC. So are they casual then?FelipeInside

Just because they aren't actively doing research about computer parts doesn't mean that they don't care about computer building and upgrading. But, if they clearly need to upgrade and then they don't care because they just don't like playing games all that much, then they must be casual gamers. I'm not trying to insult anyone by labeling them "casual gamer" without good reasons, I'm just saying, people who fit that category are for the most part casual gamers.

So what ur saying is that you only consider a PC gamer hardcore if they build their own PC? What about someone who doesn't have time to build their own PC, or interest, yet they play hours and hours of PC Games? Have for example 10 Level 85s on WoW? Research their favourite game so much that they know the lore better than the developers? Are all these CASUALS?FelipeInside

Computer building is also about how hardcore gamers have to care at least a little about their specs and how their computer stands up compared to others, and how upgrading could possibly make their gaming experience better. If a person plays a certain game every day for hours and doesn't care about his computer specs when they become obsolete (lag, outdated graphics), then he either doesn't have the money to spend on upgrading or is no longer a hardcore gamer.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]So what ur saying is that you only consider a PC gamer hardcore if they build their own PC? What about someone who doesn't have time to build their own PC, or interest, yet they play hours and hours of PC Games? Have for example 10 Level 85s on WoW? Research their favourite game so much that they know the lore better than the developers? Are all these CASUALS?bloodling

Computer building is also about how hardcore gamers have to care at least a little about their specs and how their computer stands up compared to others, and how upgrading could possibly make their gaming experience better. If a person plays a certain game every day for hours and doesn't care about his computer specs when they become obsolete (lag, outdated graphics), then he either doesn't have the money to spend on upgrading or is no longer a hardcore gamer.

Dells only come pre-built as far as I know.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="quebec946"]

why dell?

they are overpriced and terrible

wis3boi

+1, I've had a few and they all fell apart (literally) after 1-2 years. Very cheap hardware and such. Case was made of crappy plastic and chipped and cracked, poor case deisgn....and to top it off they don't use standard case and motherboard sizes (like ATX) so you can't change a part if you need to...you're forced to buy their custom ones.

Final Fantasy 14 killed my last Dell 10 days into owning it. Last Dell I will ever own. Pieces of garbage. Well, so is FF14...

lol @ people feeling insulted cause someone said they dont play a lot of games.

It's not paying double. You can still get good priced computers from websites. Just because YOU find the time doesn't mean everyone else does as well. Some people are too busy or not interested in ordering parts, building it, testing it etc. They just have the money and want something that works. As for "Why wouldn't you be interested in computers yet interested in computer-gaming? ", there are heaps of people that love PC Gaming but don't care for PC Building....they are completely 2 different things.FelipeInside

It is paying double.

OR maybe that gamer doesn't have the time or even interest in upgrading himself, so he goes on a website and orders a new PC cause he has the money (or even pays someone to come and upgrade his PC). So he's casual? I don't agree with ur train of thought. Wether or not a gamer builds his own PC doesn't make him hardcore or not. THE WAY HE PLAYS his/her games makes them hardcore or casual. PS: u think Fatal1ty has time to build his own PC these days? He must be a casual gamer then...FelipeInside

Hardcore gamers care about their specs, hardcore gaming and computer building goes hand in hand. So called hardcore gamers who refuse to learn about new hardware when theirs become obsolete are not so hardcore about gaming, or maybe they're "hardcore retro gamers". You can be pretty damn sure that fatal1ty knows very well what hardware he has. It doesn't matter at all if he isn't the one who did all the research and put it together, he still knows what's inside his machine, and he cares so much about it that he puts it into the hands of someone who's more competent. "Hardcore gamers" who don't even know what's inside their machine are not so hardcore, that's all I'm saying. Even some casual gamers care about PC building... As other people mentionned earlier, if there are hardcore gamers who refuse to care about pc building, they're kinda silly or just love wasting money.

If a hardcore gamer decides to buy a prebuilt pc because he doesn't care about how expensive it is, it makes it easier for him, and the computer has great specs, that doesn't mean he doesn't care about pc building, it means that he chose to go prebuilt for all those reasons (which is really not that common), but he still chose his computer according to its specs. It's almost the same as building it. On the other hand, someone who just buys a Dell computer or any non-gaming prebuild pc with a really weak video card because he either didn't care about great graphics, he didn't care about researching graphics cards, he most likely doesn't care all that much about games and is a casual gamer. That said, some people might buy a prebuilt computer with the intent of upgrading, and those people very much care about pc specs, upgrading and pc building. They just made a choice.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="quebec946"]

why dell?

they are overpriced and terrible

GLaDoSxxx

+1, I've had a few and they all fell apart (literally) after 1-2 years. Very cheap hardware and such. Case was made of crappy plastic and chipped and cracked, poor case deisgn....and to top it off they don't use standard case and motherboard sizes (like ATX) so you can't change a part if you need to...you're forced to buy their custom ones.

Final Fantasy 14 killed my last Dell 10 days into owning it. Last Dell I will ever own. Pieces of garbage. Well, so is FF14...

Damn, you had to remind me that sh!t game existed....and that I beta tested it..../vomits

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]So what ur saying is that you only consider a PC gamer hardcore if they build their own PC? What about someone who doesn't have time to build their own PC, or interest, yet they play hours and hours of PC Games? Have for example 10 Level 85s on WoW? Research their favourite game so much that they know the lore better than the developers? Are all these CASUALS?FelipeInside

Computer building is also about how hardcore gamers have to care at least a little about their specs and how their computer stands up compared to others, and how upgrading could possibly make their gaming experience better. If a person plays a certain game every day for hours and doesn't care about his computer specs when they become obsolete (lag, outdated graphics), then he either doesn't have the money to spend on upgrading or is no longer a hardcore gamer.

>implying a PC can't be built in 1-3 hours

>implying you aren't just trying to justify purchasing a prebuilt yourself.

Just stop.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="bloodling"]

Computer building is also about how hardcore gamers have to care at least a little about their specs and how their computer stands up compared to others, and how upgrading could possibly make their gaming experience better. If a person plays a certain game every day for hours and doesn't care about his computer specs when they become obsolete (lag, outdated graphics), then he either doesn't have the money to spend on upgrading or is no longer a hardcore gamer.

Masenkoe

>implying a PC can't be built in 1-3 hours

>implying you aren't just trying to justify purchasing a prebuilt yourself.

Just stop.

> implying that you like to talk out of your a**.

For your information I always build my own PCs. For your information I was probably fixing and building PCs before you were born kid.

Now, it does take 1-3 hrs to build. It takes more hours to also research and get the best parts and also make sure they are compatible with each other. Takes an extra hour or two to install Windows, Programs and Updates.

Yes, there are people out there with so busy schedules that they would rather use these hours to play the actual games than order, build, install and test.

So you Just stop.

Hi. I have built several computers from scratch over the years. Both for myself and my friends. I like good graphics so I have upgraded video cards in the past as well.

But I always thought that a "hardcore gamer" was one that spent a lot of TIME playing games. Many WOW players spend the majority of their waking hours playing this game.

Yet, WOW doesn't need a high end computer to play the game smoothly. A prebuilt rig can often times play this game with a good framerate. I am not a WOW player. I started

with simulation games and started playing shooters such as Quake 2 and 3, Unreal Tournament series and Serious Sam. Now I am back to simulation games. As it has been

mentioned, a lot of research is best to be able to choose components which give you the most bang for the buck and run your favorite game smoothly. However, I have seen on

this forum time and time again, members that are too afraid to assemble their own rigs fearing that they may break something. So in short, in my opinion, a person could be a

"hardcore gamer" and not necessarily be interested in the details of the computer components.

WOW doesn't need a high end computer to play the game smoothly. A prebuilt rig can often times play this game with a good framerate.

I have seen onthis forum time and time again, members that are too afraid to assemble their own rigs fearing that they may break something.

a person could be a"hardcore gamer" and not necessarily be interested in the details of the computer components.

sihunt

The question doesn't need to be asked if the hardware on which the games are being played is not outdated. Why would anyone care about building a computer if his computer runs his game good enough for his tastes?

My point is, every hardcore gamer asks himself whether or not he needs an upgrade (new computer, advice from someone, build a computer, upgrade a specific part of his computer...). It's not about how interested he is about knowing the difference between this and this type of RAM, it's about trying to basically build a computer that's up to his standards, whether or not he does any research or actually builds it himself.

If a pro gamer buys a pro gaming pc, then that doesn't apply at all since obviously we're not talking about high-end PCs (at least that's not what I'm saying when talking about casual gamers obviously), we're talking about cheap pre-build PC like the Dell one with very limited upgrade capabilities and poor graphical performance. Pro gamers won't buy that unless of course their budget is very limited or they just like wasting money like I said, or if they are really paranois about breaking stuff. I was just talking about in general. Of course you might find some farfetched situation where a pro gamer doesn't care about his pc specs.

So I've been building my own PCs for about 12 years now, but I am still not positive what model processor I have currently. I know its AMD and a quadcore, but the exact GHz and cache escapes me. I know I have 12 GB of RAM, but am not sure which models I have either (I think 4 of the 12 GB are Samsung, but can't be sure).

Does this mean I'm not hardcore?... The plethora of labels and descriptions of hardcore gamers must be beyond me. Can we just stick to passion and enthusiasm for video games? It doesn't even have to be just PC gamers, console gamers can be hardcore too! Next thing we will be saying that you have to be able to write code for video games and be able to write IF THEN clauses in Qbasic. Perhaps we should set up initiation rituals for those that would like to be considered a HARDCORE gamer. Please....

So I've been building my own PCs for about 12 years now, but I am still not positive what model processor I have currently. I know its AMD and a quadcore, but the exact GHz and cache escapes me. I know I have 12 GB of RAM, but am not sure which models I have either (I think 4 of the 12 GB are Samsung, but can't be sure).

Does this mean I'm not hardcore?... The plethora of labels and descriptions of hardcore gamers must be beyond me. Can we just stick to passion and enthusiasm for video games? It doesn't even have to be just PC gamers, console gamers can be hardcore too! Next thing we will be saying that you have to be able to write code for video games and be able to write IF THEN clauses in Qbasic. Perhaps we should set up initiation rituals for those that would like to be considered a HARDCORE gamer. Please....

Amigro

There's a difference between "caring at least a minimum (which is what I said) about PC building" and "being completely mental about how he has the best hardware available in the whole world". That's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, I started saying that casual gamers bought pre-built pc (thinking about the cheaper ones), which means that hardcore gamers would not have bought those PC unless of course they have a very specific reason. But for the most part, what I said is true. As I said, I was just drawing a picture, not trying to give false labels to people.

Is it possible that Dell sends you the hardware stuff and you "build them"?? Because I think my step mom is lying about it. She claims that she built it. But I actually thought when you buy Dell PCs, they are always pre-built. So, can anyone confirm that it is actually possible to "build Dell PCs'' except Dell itself? Also, I was the one that signed on UPS papers when they shipped it to my house and I opened it as a christmas present and it seemed obvious that it came pre-built, I cant remember if the tapes on the boxes were still intact at the time though.

sethman410

Your step mom "built it" by configuring the parts she wanted on the website. She is unintentionally misleading you.

[QUOTE="Amigro"]

So I've been building my own PCs for about 12 years now, but I am still not positive what model processor I have currently. I know its AMD and a quadcore, but the exact GHz and cache escapes me. I know I have 12 GB of RAM, but am not sure which models I have either (I think 4 of the 12 GB are Samsung, but can't be sure).

Does this mean I'm not hardcore?... The plethora of labels and descriptions of hardcore gamers must be beyond me. Can we just stick to passion and enthusiasm for video games? It doesn't even have to be just PC gamers, console gamers can be hardcore too! Next thing we will be saying that you have to be able to write code for video games and be able to write IF THEN clauses in Qbasic. Perhaps we should set up initiation rituals for those that would like to be considered a HARDCORE gamer. Please....

bloodling

There's a difference between "caring at least a minimum (which is what I said) about PC building" and "being completely mental about how he has the best hardware available in the whole world". That's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, I started saying that casual gamers bought pre-built pc (thinking about the cheaper ones), which means that hardcore gamers would not have bought those PC unless of course they have a very specific reason. But for the most part, what I said is true. As I said, I was just drawing a picture, not trying to give false labels to people.

YOU: you think that a PC gamer is hardcore only when he cares about his specs or builds his own PC. ME: I think a PC gamer can be hardcore without caring about building PC or specs. I judge a gamer on how much he dedicates to his games, with game-time, dedication, lore research, practice etc. Like the other poster said, there are gamers out there with 1000hrs in WoW or Call of Duty, yet they got a friend to build their PC cause they didn't feel comfortable or have the time themselves. I still consider them hardcore WoW Gamers or hardcore CoD Gamers.FelipeInside

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not going to go through what I just posted with you again because I think I was clear enough, and as I said 2 posts ago "Of course you might find some farfetched situation where a pro gamer doesn't care about his pc specs." I'm saying that CASUAL gamers buy cheap pre-build PCs in general, and HARDCORE gamers and pc building goes hand in hand even though there are always exceptions.

Edit: and I also said that casual gamers can also care about computer building, at least a little, but they are the target audience for low-end pre-built computers. Hardcore gamers most likely want nothing to do with cheap low-end pre-built computers.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]YOU: you think that a PC gamer is hardcore only when he cares about his specs or builds his own PC. ME: I think a PC gamer can be hardcore without caring about building PC or specs. I judge a gamer on how much he dedicates to his games, with game-time, dedication, lore research, practice etc. Like the other poster said, there are gamers out there with 1000hrs in WoW or Call of Duty, yet they got a friend to build their PC cause they didn't feel comfortable or have the time themselves. I still consider them hardcore WoW Gamers or hardcore CoD Gamers.bloodling

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not going to go through what I just posted with you again because I think I was clear enough, and as I said 2 posts ago "Of course you might find some farfetched situation where a pro gamer doesn't care about his pc specs." I'm saying that CASUAL gamers buy cheap pre-build PCs in general, and HARDCORE gamers and pc building goes hand in hand even though there are always exceptions.

Edit: and I also said that casual gamers can also care about computer building, at least a little, but they are the target audience for low-end pre-built computers. Hardcore gamers most likely want nothing to do with cheap low-end pre-built computers.