Advise on 4 to 8 cores.

I'm considering getting this computer http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-envy-phoenix-810-desktop-pc-intel-core-i7-4770k-2tb-hdd-128gb-ssd-12gb-ram-windows-8-1-810-109/10283825.aspx?path=880f4faf153de300811fa8b4d35efea1en02

I know videocard isn't great but was planning on getting a super one in a year or so.

My concern is should i wait for 8 core computers? Even the new Watch dog game wants an 8 core computer.

But right now have 7 year old computer.

that Intel i7 is practically 8 core CPU. all desktop i7 processors use Hyperthreading, so each of the 4 cores can run 2 threads simultaneously, so your computer basicly sees it as 8 core processor. it's as powerful as AMD "true" 8 cores, so go for it. plenty enough for Watch Dogs.

are you sure you don't know anyone who would know how to build you a computer? that $1300 would get you an insanely good gaming PC with a very powerful videocard if you would build it yourself. it's not that hard.

The computer's fine spec-wize, exept for GPU obviously, but I'm sure you can get better quality for less money if you buy all the components separately and put them together yourself. Or pay someone to do it.

I don't want to order from far away, done it before and was a nightmare. I checked local store for parts and came up with this. I'm in Canada its more expensive here :(

SSD drive 100, 2gig hd 100, ram 150, i7 4770k 350, 600watt power supply 60, case 100, motherboard 100, videocard 100, dvd 25, card reader 20 = 1105 I just guessed on tower, motherboard and card reader.

I didn't count keyboard, mouse, win8 (pre-installed), heatsink.

Futureshop is free delivery with 2 week money back if not happy. But do seem to be 200 dollars lower to buy parts at regular prices.

Looks like the HP is not as overpriced as I thought. But I still wouldn't buy a prebuild. I came up with this on PC Parts Picker, it's similar to the HP but with better parts (better quality, CF and SLI support) and GTX 660 which seems to be the best value looking at those prices.

Thanks for advise guys. Like knowing i7 4770k is like an 8 core.

i7 isnt like an 8 core its still a quad core, each 2nd thread on each core uses the left over cpu cycles not being use from the 1st thread. Unless the game or app are designed to use HT correctly your performance will just be like an i5.

get i5 4670 with a better GPU like GTX760 or above and you're good to go

I'll never understand what people post links from future shop or wallmart for their computer needs...

Bah, oh well. Don't get why intel doesn't have 8 core computers being more common and Amd has a bunch of them.

Trying not to make mistake i did 7 years ago when i picked Vista 32bit instead of the 64bit, now can't play 4 gig minimum games. Be another mistake if the norm is 8 core a few yrs from now.

Because its computer i'm thinking of buying.

Sleepy that pc you linked to is awful for the price you pay, here is a much better performance ratio for abit less and will run circles around that HP with gaming.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227547

@Sleepyz: Because Intel's quad core beats AMD's 8 core CPUs.
Go with 4670K or 4770K but for gaming you really don't need a 4770K. That would be a waste of money. You can invest more money into a monster GPU.
Stop being scared and build your own. At one point we didn't know how to build either. It's really easy just do it! Stop wasting your money.
For $1300 you can build a beast.

@Sleepyz: I understood that. My point which I thought was obvious was future shop and other big name stores like it are expensive and some of the worst spots to pick computers and electronics up unless they are on sale. And worst of all they all come with bloated crapware that no one needs or wants. I looked around at prebuilts when i was in the market for one and they are all ways $200-$600 dollars more expensive depending on the brand. So I took a couple of hours read up on some info and watched a few videos on youtube, and ordered the parts instead. If you can read and put lego's together you can put a computer together it's that easy. Plus you have a beast of a machine for far less money. All parts generally come with a warranty anyway so it's not like that's an issue if any of them aren't good.

an i7 is much faster then any 8 core amd cpu, even if its only got 4 physical cores, windows has 8 cpus to deal with so any game will be able to use it. AMD cpus are ok but if your wanting the best go intel... more powerful, use less power, more shiny

modern games can and will utilize HT.

Btw, does anyone know if socket 1150 will get 8 cores from Intel? i know Broadwell will come to 1150, so i guess i'll upgrade to i7 then. why do i need to upgrade from 4670k? well i don't, not today, but i want to stay more future-proof seeing how all games are starting to utilize more than 4 threads.

Don't spew ignorance when you don't know.

yes I know most modern games can use it but in most cases having HT does little to nothing over an i5. Because of the fact that the i7 is nothing more then an i5 with HT and a bit more cache..Also to note when BF3 first came out all cpu's that had HT suffered from fps issues and stutter because BF3 treated each 2nd thread as a real physical cpu core putting too much of a workload on each 2nd thread. After the first update from EA they fixed it by limiting what the game allocated.

Knowing Intel they will come out with a new socket with a new generation of cpu's.

Talking about ignorance? lol

Overall if we pull IPC into the equation, yes. However, with more and more heavily threaded applications coming out a 83xx will match midrange i7's on the daily. If one has cost considerations, that most def. comes into play..esp. since GPU's should be getting a bit more of the budget anyhow. 83xx problem is it could perform as well as a i3 and as high as an i7's, depends on the app.

An 8 core can handle 8 threads, an i7 4 core with HT can handle 8 threads. There is no practical differences. Get a clue.

OMG are you serious? lol ,

8 cores is 8 cores 4 cores is 4 cores having two threads per core does not equal more real cores nor does it automatically increase performance. Like I said earlier 2nd thread's processing power is dependent on the 1st thread's load.

If your going by AMD's results with their 8 core cpu's dont..... since their not true 8 core cpu's themselves, 4 modules with two integer processors per module. Just because i7's perform as well or better then AMD's FX 8's does not mean there's no practical differences when in fact an intel true 8 core cpu would cream an i7 quad with HT with apps and games.

Its no different from comparing a Phenom 2 X4 vs an i3 2100 while the i3 is a dual core with HT making it a quad core in your eyes, The phenom 2 beats the i3 with games that make use of 4 threads and need four real cores.

True , sadly they cost 2000 bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117272

Ivy Bridge-E which has 6 ''real'' cores doesn't outperform the i7 Haswell which has 4.

Depends on how good the HT is; usually if you watch on AMD FX8XXX series they take more Watts and that's for a reason - it uses actual 8 cores, i7 uses almost half of the AMD Watts because of the HT; it really depends on the game or the software to utilize the pontential of the CPU fully; if a game or a software don't use more than 4 cores it's pointless to buy i7 or even FX8XXX; that's why people still recommend i5 4670k as the best CPU for gaming nowdays - because there almost non games that take advantage of more than 4 cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINLgcxuUAU

bwahahaha

Dont ignore the BF4 results....

you think that's solid proof? You seriously have no understanding in whats going on eh?

With Crysis 3 your gpu bound which is why i5 to any i7 yields little, With Metro LL you dont see any real difference beyond an i7 920/FX8350. The Witcher 2 does not make a use more then 4 cores. Then Bioshock infinite is not need more then 2 threads.

most games are not very cpu demanding and or do not make use all cores/threads available. While yes many games you wont see a difference because of what I said earlier however there are games like BF4 that show a different story. More and more games will demand more from the cpu's as gpu's get stronger.

If you look at the Cinebench results those show that 4960x 30% faster

3D Mark 11 (Physics)

Core i7 4960X

13,200Core

i7 4770K

9,140

Also to point out the LGA 2011 does have flaws that show comparing to LGA 1150 based cpu's.

Since next gen consoles have amd 8 cores and really weak ones, about 1.6ghz go with amd.

You could build this.

OR

Buy something like this or this.

Man in the end it is best to build one... Like @insane_metalist stated we all started somewhere. You can youtube a video and build at the same time if that would make it easier. In the end you will get the best bang for your buck with building your own.

This. I'd go with (and i did) a cheaper 4670K and upgrade it later on to i7 Broadwell (Q1 2015). you could still sell your 4670K for a good price then.

btw, you have one crazy rig there. i'm a bit jelly on that 780 SLI :)