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#1 ionusX
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cod: balck ops will feature dedicated servers BUT it comes at a price...

only through gameservers can your purchase a server of your own and the admin powers are going to be heavily crippled.

in short yay for dedication.. BOO for making it no better than a controlled server.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/09/12/black_ops_dedicated_servers_come_catch

in short cod developers truly hate us.. first they outright ignore us in codmw2.. now they give us what we beg for..but they make all the rules as to how it will be done and where we get it from.. essentially ruining the point.

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#3 Crimsader
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Old news. And I don't care about multiplayer :P
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I wish we got the hardened and prestige editions
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I wish we got the hardened and prestige editionszerosaber456
really? sarcastic? on topic, we still get something workable and I wont complain yet. Now, the game series feels tired and I cant see myself buying it anyhow though.
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#6 haberman13
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People play cod on the PC?

News to me.

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#7 Doom_HellKnight
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People play cod on the PC?

News to me.

haberman13
Why not? It's where the series started...
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#8 TerrorRizzing
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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

People play cod on the PC?

News to me.

Doom_HellKnight

Why not? It's where the series started...

its the internet mentality, it has become much more popular on console since it works on console better than any other shooter has imo. That said, since its so popular on console, the internet mentality is that nobody plays it on pc...

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] its the internet mentality, it has become much more popular on console since it works on console better than any other shooter has imo. That said, since its so popular on console, the internet mentality is that nobody plays it on pc...

TerrorRizzing

Aye, true enough. Such a shame. :(

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#10 UltimateGamer95
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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

People play cod on the PC?

News to me.

Doom_HellKnight
Why not? It's where the series started...

True I agree
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#11 JangoWuzHere
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Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

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#12 JeriKu
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Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

JangoWuzHere

My thoughts exactly!

At least it's some form of a dedicated server.

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#13 mattuk69
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I dont really care as long as i can join a server and play. I also dont care about the biggest noob online game engine of all time.

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#14 Farkeman
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cod engine is so light that any machine could host 18 slot servers , i dont care about graphics but cod games look so ugly to me , textures streched out everywhere (hurts my eyes) not enoug filters , buggy details etc. and the funny part is that ign gave cod mw2 10 for graphics (begin rofl ; end.)
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#15 Baranga
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Inb4 people act like it's worse than MW2.

Oh wait.

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#16 rmfd341
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Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

JangoWuzHere
This.
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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

rmfd341
This.

I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7
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#19 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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[QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

JigglyWiggly_
This.

I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7

Hmm, alot of servers on Call of Duty 4 ask to donate though...complete with a link to the clans paypal. Server's aren't free and somebody's gotta pay for them. Just like how my guild pays for our Vent server.
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#20 FelipeInside
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Old news. And I don't care about multiplayer :PCrimsader
Your missing half the fun...
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#21 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="rmfd341"] This.k0r3aN_pR1d3
I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7

Hmm, alot of servers on Call of Duty 4 ask to donate though...complete with a link to the clans paypal. Server's aren't free and somebody's gotta pay for them. Just like how my guild pays for our Vent server.

Why do you think that? My server is on 24/7 if i host a game, then I don't pay... oh maybe I am paying 2$ difference in the electricity bill due to the added load. Sigh...

I suppose it will cost you if you don't have your own server already, but a lot of people do have their own servers. I mean the website in my sig, I host it on a VM on my box... runs nice.

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#22 TerrorRizzing
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cod engine is so light that any machine could host 18 slot servers , i dont care about graphics but cod games look so ugly to me , textures streched out everywhere (hurts my eyes) not enoug filters , buggy details etc. and the funny part is that ign gave cod mw2 10 for graphics (begin rofl ; end.)Farkeman
well it is one of the only games to run at an actual good framerate on a console, but on pc... well its actually just fine I think.
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#23 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7JigglyWiggly_

Hmm, alot of servers on Call of Duty 4 ask to donate though...complete with a link to the clans paypal. Server's aren't free and somebody's gotta pay for them. Just like how my guild pays for our Vent server.

Why do you think that? My server is on 24/7 if i host a game, then I don't pay... oh maybe I am paying 2$ difference in the electricity bill due to the added load. Sigh...

I suppose it will cost you if you don't have your own server already, but a lot of people do have their own servers. I mean the website in my sig, I host it on a VM on my box... runs nice.

Not to get into this discussion since I do not know a lot about hosting a server, but surely the electricity bill of a high-end machine (server) running 24/7 is more than a few bucks....?
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#24 JigglyWiggly_
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I meant the difference in electricity from cpu usage of 10% vs 15% Though my electricity bill hasn't changed much, I mean afterall the server's specs are: q6600 @ 3.6 ghz 8 gigs of ram 10 hds total 6200LE gpu However, it runs on a 450watt psu, and it hasn't ever turned off once. It's been on the same psu for 2-3 years, so it's all good. I mean most power usage comes from the GPU, and a 6200LE hardly uses anything :P
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#25 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]I meant the difference in electricity from cpu usage of 10% vs 15% Though my electricity bill hasn't changed much, I mean afterall the server's specs are: q6600 @ 3.6 ghz 8 gigs of ram 10 hds total 6200LE gpu However, it runs on a 450watt psu, and it hasn't ever turned off once. It's been on the same psu for 2-3 years, so it's all good. I mean most power usage comes from the GPU, and a 6200LE hardly uses anything :P

Gotcha....I just thought having a big "server" with a big PSU would make a difference in bills, since it's sucking electricity 24/7 (not like a TV which goes on standby etc)
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#26 DigitalExile
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

JeriKu

My thoughts exactly!

At least it's some form of a dedicated server.

Well that's kind of an issue, don't you think? "Oh at least" ... no! There shouldn't be a "at least." They're releasing a video game on the PC platform, but they're not treating it as a PC game. FFS we've been gaming on PC's since before online multiplayer was even envisioned on consoles and they're treating the PC platform as if it's some diseased ridden slave. "Oh, at least we get floor scraps from the king." No. NO.

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"Oh, at least we get floor scraps from the king." No. NO.DigitalExile
:lol: I laughed pretty hard at that. Thank you. I agree. Unfortunately, PC gaming will suffer yet another deafening blow because too many people can not exercise self control and boycott the game. I tell ya, all it takes is one multi million dollar game to be boycotted to change everything for us. The almighty silent dollar. The threats against MW2 were empty, so of course we're getting the resulting treatment from IW/activi$ion.
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#28 schu
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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"] "Oh, at least we get floor scraps from the king." No. NO.tequilasunriser
:lol: I laughed pretty hard at that. Thank you. I agree. Unfortunately, PC gaming will suffer yet another deafening blow because too many people can not exercise self control and boycott the game. I tell ya, all it takes is one multi million dollar game to be boycotted to change everything for us. The almighty silent dollar. The threats against MW2 were empty, so of course we're getting the resulting treatment from IW/activi$ion.

theres nothing wrong with gameservers.com ive used them in the past ...
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"] "Oh, at least we get floor scraps from the king." No. NO.schu
:lol: I laughed pretty hard at that. Thank you. I agree. Unfortunately, PC gaming will suffer yet another deafening blow because too many people can not exercise self control and boycott the game. I tell ya, all it takes is one multi million dollar game to be boycotted to change everything for us. The almighty silent dollar. The threats against MW2 were empty, so of course we're getting the resulting treatment from IW/activi$ion.

theres nothing wrong with gameservers.com ive used them in the past ...

When they are your only option for a server then, yeah, there's something wrong. You should be able to host a sever how ever you want. Be it on your own machine or in Joe Schmoe's game hosting.
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#30 Buttons1990
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[QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Very old news, and who honestly cares? We are still getting mod tools and dedicated servers to manage the games properly.

JigglyWiggly_

This.

I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7

Um... You have always needed to pay for servers... In fact, an 18 player ranked server on Black Ops will cost less than one on WaW and CoD4 do RIGHT NOW on average...

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#31 tequilasunriser
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="rmfd341"] This.Buttons1990

I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7

Um... You have always needed to pay for servers... In fact, an 18 player ranked server on Black Ops will cost less than one on WaW and CoD4 do RIGHT NOW on average...

Read his later post about how he runs his own server. -_-
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#32 schu
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[QUOTE="schu"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"] :lol: I laughed pretty hard at that. Thank you. I agree. Unfortunately, PC gaming will suffer yet another deafening blow because too many people can not exercise self control and boycott the game. I tell ya, all it takes is one multi million dollar game to be boycotted to change everything for us. The almighty silent dollar. The threats against MW2 were empty, so of course we're getting the resulting treatment from IW/activi$ion.tequilasunriser
theres nothing wrong with gameservers.com ive used them in the past ...

When they are your only option for a server then, yeah, there's something wrong. You should be able to host a sever how ever you want. Be it on your own machine or in Joe Schmoe's game hosting.

It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crap

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#33 tequilasunriser
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="schu"] theres nothing wrong with gameservers.com ive used them in the past ...schu

When they are your only option for a server then, yeah, there's something wrong. You should be able to host a sever how ever you want. Be it on your own machine or in Joe Schmoe's game hosting.

It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crap

People have a choice of what servers they play on. If you don't like the performance you're getting on a sever you can always disconnect and find a new server. You do realize that don't you?
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="schu"] theres nothing wrong with gameservers.com ive used them in the past ...schu

When they are your only option for a server then, yeah, there's something wrong. You should be able to host a sever how ever you want. Be it on your own machine or in Joe Schmoe's game hosting.

It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crap

Most people don't have a connection of quality to be hosting servers... This is honestly not that bad of an idea, a server hosted in a proper datacenter will always be a better option than a crappy in comparison home connection. I think people will find a way around this eventually though anyway.
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I look at it this way:

Dedicated servers

console commands

mod support

...

It doesn't get much more PC then that my friends!

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[QUOTE="schu"]

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"] When they are your only option for a server then, yeah, there's something wrong. You should be able to host a sever how ever you want. Be it on your own machine or in Joe Schmoe's game hosting.tequilasunriser

It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crap

People have a choice of what servers they play on. If you don't like the performance you're getting on a sever you can always disconnect and find a new server. You do realize that don't you?

When all the servers are running on the same crappy computer on the same crappy connection from the same crappy location, it doesn't matter which server you are on. You realize that don't you? You can disconnect and use Treyarch's crappy servers, or you can use GameServer's crappy server. Either way, you lose. The whole point of dedicated servers were so you can control them. Being able to kick and ban should be a given, not a feature for PC gaming. Either way, have fun playing Black Ops with the same kiddies that bought and play MW2. I'm pretty sure the same problems from MW2 are going to be there in Black Ops and Black Ops is going to temporarily top the Steam charts and cause a sensation just like MW2. As for me, Black Ops is a no-buy, just like MW2 and CoD4 so I won't be affected.
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#37 ravenguard90
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Whenever there is a monopoly, and it's not partially owned by the government or some other party that prioritizes the interests of the public, it's a known fact that consumers will get screwed over.

And that's exactly what's happening with this crap.

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#38 tequilasunriser
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="schu"] It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crapHOMIE_G64

People have a choice of what servers they play on. If you don't like the performance you're getting on a sever you can always disconnect and find a new server. You do realize that don't you?

When all the servers are running on the same crappy computer on the same crappy connection from the same crappy location, it doesn't matter which server you are on. You realize that don't you? You can disconnect and use Treyarch's crappy servers, or you can use GameServer's crappy server. Either way, you lose. The whole point of dedicated servers were so you can control them. Being able to kick and ban should be a given, not a feature for PC gaming. Either way, have fun playing Black Ops with the same kiddies that bought and play MW2. I'm pretty sure the same problems from MW2 are going to be there in Black Ops and Black Ops is going to temporarily top the Steam charts and cause a sensation just like MW2. As for me, Black Ops is a no-buy, just like MW2 and CoD4 so I won't be affected.

Uhhh... Are you sure you meant to quote me? I really think you should go back and read my posts haha.

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So you telling me that someone here will actually make his own dedicated server on black ops and keep it running but the price is making him change his mind?
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#40 darx55
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yay for alteriw..im not updated on their current projects,but as far as im concerned,they were working on dedicated servers for cod6..
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[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] I care a lot... This is just as bad as no dedicated servers, now you get to hear admins saying DONATE FOR THE SERVER TO CONTINUE 24/7JigglyWiggly_

Hmm, alot of servers on Call of Duty 4 ask to donate though...complete with a link to the clans paypal. Server's aren't free and somebody's gotta pay for them. Just like how my guild pays for our Vent server.

Why do you think that? My server is on 24/7 if i host a game, then I don't pay... oh maybe I am paying 2$ difference in the electricity bill due to the added load. Sigh...

I suppose it will cost you if you don't have your own server already, but a lot of people do have their own servers. I mean the website in my sig, I host it on a VM on my box... runs nice.



I've always wanted to run some proper dedicated PC game servers. However building purpose built machines would cost a pretty penny as I would want real servers with 2 6-core Opterons. If BF3 does go BF2 with dedicated servers and mods (which it probably won't) I'd be very inclined to build a real server, completely dedicated to hosting a dedicated BF3 server via Linux.

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#42 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"] Hmm, alot of servers on Call of Duty 4 ask to donate though...complete with a link to the clans paypal. Server's aren't free and somebody's gotta pay for them. Just like how my guild pays for our Vent server. mouthforbathory

Why do you think that? My server is on 24/7 if i host a game, then I don't pay... oh maybe I am paying 2$ difference in the electricity bill due to the added load. Sigh...

I suppose it will cost you if you don't have your own server already, but a lot of people do have their own servers. I mean the website in my sig, I host it on a VM on my box... runs nice.



I've always wanted to run some proper dedicated PC game servers. However building purpose built machines would cost a pretty penny as I would want real servers with 2 6-core Opterons. If BF3 does go BF2 with dedicated servers and mods (which it probably won't) I'd be very inclined to build a real server, completely dedicated to hosting a dedicated BF3 server via Linux.

WOW, you can actually host a server using Linux?

How?

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#43 simardbrad
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^ lol @ troll

On a side note, I'm in a server class right now that we are using linux in. The only command I know so far is sudo shutdown -P 0

lol.

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#44 tibLeX123
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The New World Order is creeping up on us people, WAKE UP!

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#45 FelipeInside
Member since 2003 • 28548 Posts

^ lol @ troll

On a side note, I'm in a server class right now that we are using linux in. The only command I know so far is sudo shutdown -P 0

lol.

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Love it how people just like to call others trolls without no f...... idea. I honestly asked a question since I have a little bit of experience in Linux, and wanted to know how it was possible. I wasn't trolling at all since I believe Linux is a great OS in it's own right.... Be careful what u write next time bub.....
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#46 rmfd341
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="schu"] It ensures higher quality servers for each game to user that then having people host off their internet connection isnt that the whole complaint about lack of dedicated servers in the first place that it degrades the QUALITY of the connection making the game not as snap responsive

if you want to host off your box then use the p2p type crap

HOMIE_G64

People have a choice of what servers they play on. If you don't like the performance you're getting on a sever you can always disconnect and find a new server. You do realize that don't you?

When all the servers are running on the same crappy computer on the same crappy connection from the same crappy location, it doesn't matter which server you are on. You realize that don't you? You can disconnect and use Treyarch's crappy servers, or you can use GameServer's crappy server. Either way, you lose. The whole point of dedicated servers were so you can control them. Being able to kick and ban should be a given, not a feature for PC gaming. Either way, have fun playing Black Ops with the same kiddies that bought and play MW2. I'm pretty sure the same problems from MW2 are going to be there in Black Ops and Black Ops is going to temporarily top the Steam charts and cause a sensation just like MW2. As for me, Black Ops is a no-buy, just like MW2 and CoD4 so I won't be affected.

Wait Wait Wait. DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THIS UP IF THEY'RE THE ONLY SERVICE PROVIDERS? Of course not, they're going to have some great servers so people will pay them.

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#47 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="HOMIE_G64"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"] People have a choice of what servers they play on. If you don't like the performance you're getting on a sever you can always disconnect and find a new server. You do realize that don't you?rmfd341

When all the servers are running on the same crappy computer on the same crappy connection from the same crappy location, it doesn't matter which server you are on. You realize that don't you? You can disconnect and use Treyarch's crappy servers, or you can use GameServer's crappy server. Either way, you lose. The whole point of dedicated servers were so you can control them. Being able to kick and ban should be a given, not a feature for PC gaming. Either way, have fun playing Black Ops with the same kiddies that bought and play MW2. I'm pretty sure the same problems from MW2 are going to be there in Black Ops and Black Ops is going to temporarily top the Steam charts and cause a sensation just like MW2. As for me, Black Ops is a no-buy, just like MW2 and CoD4 so I won't be affected.

Wait Wait Wait. DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THIS UP IF THEY'RE THE ONLY SERVICE PROVIDERS? Of course not, they're going to have some great servers so people will pay them.

Your loss I guess....

Shame, cause they are really fun games IMO...

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hey guys which stores are selling the PC collectors edition of back ops? Can't find it a anywhere. I doubt us glorious pc gamers have been ignored so much so that we arent getting a CE of black ops.

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#49 FelipeInside
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hey guys which stores are selling the PC collectors edition of back ops? Can't find it a anywhere. I doubt us glorious pc gamers have been ignored so much so that we arent getting a CE of black ops.

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The one with the remote control car? Here in AUS EB Games, GAME and JBHiFi have it.... although probably sold out by now....
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#50 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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in short cod developers truly hate us.. first they outright ignore us in codmw2.. now they give us what we beg for..but they make all the rules as to how it will be done and where we get it from.. essentially ruining the point.ionusX
Simply answer to your dilemma is, don't buy crap. If you feel they aren't being fair with it, don't buy it. I'd wager a ton of people who are going to complain about it are going to buy it anyways, so why should they care if it suits their needs?