AI might be truly life-like one day

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7740484.stm

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IBM plans 'brain-like' computers

By Jason Palmer
Science and technology reporter, BBC News
Synapse (SPL) Mimicking synapses like this one is crucial to the effort

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IBM has announced it will lead a US government-funded collaboration to make electronic circuits that mimic brains.

Part of a field called "cognitive computing", the research will bring together neurobiologists, computer and materials scientists and psychologists.

As a first step in its research the project has been granted $4.9m (Ā£3.27m) from US defence agency Darpa.

The resulting technology could be used for large-scale data analysis, decision making or even image recognition.

"The mind has an amazing ability to integrate ambiguous information across the senses, and it can effortlessly create the categories of time, space, object, and interrelationship from the sensory data," says Dharmendra Modha, the IBM scientist who is heading the collaboration.

"There are no computers that can even remotely approach the remarkable feats the mind performs," he said.

"The key idea of cognitive computing is to engineer mind-like intelligent machines by reverse engineering the structure, dynamics, function and behaviour of the brain."

'Perfect storm'

IBM will join five US universities in an ambitious effort to integrate what is known from real biological systems with the results of supercomputer simulations of neurons. The team will then aim to produce for the first time an electronic system that behaves as the simulations do.

The longer-term goal is to create a system with the level of complexity of a cat's brain.

Dr Modha says that the time is right for such a cross-disciplinary project because three disparate pursuits are coming together in what he calls a "perfect storm".

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We are going not just for a homerun, but for a homerun with the bases loaded
Dharmendra Modha
IBM Almaden Research Center

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Neuroscientists working with simple animals have learned much about the inner workings of neurons and the synapses that connect them, resulting in "wiring diagrams" for simple brains.

Supercomputing, in turn, can simulate brains up to the complexity of small mammals, using the knowledge from the biological research. Modha led a team that last year used the BlueGene supercomputer to simulate a mouse's brain, comprising 55m neurons and some half a trillion synapses.

"But the real challenge is then to manifest what will be learned from future simulations into real electronic devices - nanotechnology," Dr Modha said.

Technology has only recently reached a stage in which structures can be produced that match the density of neurons and synapses from real brains - around 10 billion in each square centimetre.

Networking

Researchers have been using bits of computer code called neural networks that seek to represent connections of neurons. They can be programmed to solve a particular problem - behaviour that appears to be the same as learning.

But this approach is fundamentally different.

"The issue with neural networks and artificial intelligence is that they seek to engineer limited cognitive functionalities one at a time. They start with an objective and devise an algorithm to achieve it," Dr Modha says.

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Cat n' mouse (AFP/Getty) The ultimate goal is to create a circuit with the complexity of a cat's brain

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"We are attempting a 180 degree shift in perspective: seeking an algorithm first, problems second. We are investigating core micro- and macro-circuits of the brain that can be used for a wide variety of functionalities."

The problem is not in the organisation of existing neuron-like circuitry, however; the adaptability of brains lies in their ability to tune synapses, the connections between the neurons.

Synaptic connections form, break, and are strengthened or weakened depending on the signals that pass through them. Making a nano-scale material that can fit that description is one of the major goals of the project.

"The brain is much less a neural network than a synaptic network," Modha says.

First thought

The fundamental shift toward putting the problem-solving before the problem makes the potential applications for such devices practically limitless.

Free from the constraints of explicitly programmed function, computers could gather together disparate information, weigh it based on experience, form memory independently and arguably begin to solve problems in a way that has so far been the preserve of what we call "thinking".

"It's an interesting effort, and modelling computers after the human brain is promising," says Christian Keysers, director of the neuroimaging centre at University Medical Centre Groningen. However, he warns that the funding so far is likely to be inadequate for such an large-scale project.

That the effort requires the expertise of such a variety of disciplines means that the project is unprecedented in its scope, and Dr Modha admits that the goals are more than ambitious.

"We are going not just for a homerun, but for a homerun with the bases loaded," he says.
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#2 LTZH
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the next president should bann A.I research after a certain point, it doesn't take a mathmeticion to look at an exponential function based on an intelligence increase, it's clearly disturbing. Ever hear of the terminator? not that far fetched.
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AI already is on my computer. My AI is so great that has taken over my min-- Wait.... Must Buy Gears of War 3. Cliffy is Great.
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humanity will let this get out of control and it'll be too late by the time we realize that the machine overlords could of been stopped. :P

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Makes me wonder if I've seen too many scifi movies, or if this is a really really bad idea...
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#6 F1_2004
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haha, flashbacks of terminator are the first thing that came to my mind too. While the premise (thinking, self-aware machines) seemed ridiculous at the time of the movie, the idea that if they did exist they'd try to take over certainly seemed plausible. Now that it seems inevitable that the first part of the equation will eventually become true, you really have to wonder how far it could go.
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#7 thusaha
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That's very interesting.
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As a programmer I don't like this at all. When computers start thinking they won't need programmers anymore to solve problems
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I might win the lottery one day
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AI already is on my computer. My AI is so great that has taken over my min-- Wait.... Must Buy Gears of War 3. Cliffy is Great.biggest_loser
LOL.
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#11 rs0101
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As a programmer I don't like this at all. When computers start thinking they won't need programmers anymore to solve problemsanolecrabcf
In the year 5000 maybe. Remember how they predicted that in 2006 we will all be driving flying cars and robots will have human like intelligence and they will do anything for us. It will be a completely high tech place like in the futuristic movies.
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actually at the rate humanity is showing intelligence on teh average end-user base. the AI wont have to work hard to have more common sense and wisdom then that of the average human...

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humanity is like a dying man being fed thru a plastic tube...

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and everybody i have met does not understand "truth" because everybody i met confuses it for social authentication..

if i say somethign is A

and you say something is B... but you get 6 people to say it with you... that is what humanity considers "truth" but it isnt, its social authentication. and nothing more.

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and that is how every theory, or religion has ever been created.... for people to vouch for it... Ā Ā  and that is what we call truth... lol

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actually at the rate humanity is showing intelligence on teh average end-user base. the AI wont have to work hard to have more common sense and wisdom then that of the average human...

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humanity is like a dying man being fed thru a plastic tube...

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and everybody i have met does not understand "truth" because everybody i met confuses it for social authentication..

if i say somethign is A

and you say something is B... but you get 6 people to say it with you... that is what humanity considers "truth" but it isnt, its social authentication. and nothing more.

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and that is how every theory, or religion has ever been created.... for people to vouch for it... Ā Ā  and that is what we call truth... lol

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This has nothing to do with the actual complexity of the human brain and how it functions. If scientists can come up with intelligent machines that think the same way we do, even if it is flawed, then that would be an amazing achievement.

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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

actually at the rate humanity is showing intelligence on teh average end-user base. the AI wont have to work hard to have more common sense and wisdom then that of the average human...

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humanity is like a dying man being fed thru a plastic tube...

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and everybody i have met does not understand "truth" because everybody i met confuses it for social authentication..

if i say somethign is A

and you say something is B... but you get 6 people to say it with you... that is what humanity considers "truth" but it isnt, its social authentication. and nothing more.

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and that is how every theory, or religion has ever been created.... for people to vouch for it... Ā Ā  and that is what we call truth... lol

F1_2004

This has nothing to do with the actual complexity of the human brain and how it functions. If scientists can come up with intelligent machines that think the same way we do, even if it is flawed, then that would be an amazing achievement.

actually it has quite abit to do with the human brain..Ā  this is how the majority thinks..Ā  not to mention a brain on anti-depressants, and cocaine, and pot, and all this medication people take... that changes things in the human brain...

but i am not disagreeing with you this would be an amazing acheivement and the only way we could explore "space" efficiently as it is now...

think about it.. nano machines, building more nanomachines... and the smaller somethign is, teh faster it can travel in space.

so yeah it would be a great achievement,Ā 

but what i have listed is what these AI will be based upon.. not truth, because humanity doesnt know what that is.. it will be based on social authentication.

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hmm... then this will also open up the possibility of robot or AI versions of Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  ted bundy.... or charles manson? Ā  or george bush lol...

Ā i mean it would be stupid to say that people with these personalities will never be able to get their hands on this technology to build it like that or program it...

because if George W. Bush became president of the united states.... Ā Ā  then this is a possibillity

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the world will become cyberpunk
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Nothing bad has ever happend by giving machines the ability to think. Geez.
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Nothing bad has ever happend by giving machines the ability to think. Geez.rik666

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Yet.

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#18 dan-rofl-copter
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everyone is over reacting
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Better learn how to make an EMP then, you know, just in case. >.>
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#20 artur79
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If machines start to think for themselves one day, we're screwed. The logical thing is to get rid of human kind. When Agent Smith told Morpheus that we act as a virus, he wasn't too far off imo. And I totally agree on the EMP-bombs, lol. That's what rednecks of the next century will be buying like maniacs before Obama's grandson moves into the White House. (I'm so getting mod'ed right now...)
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Better learn how to make an EMP then, you know, just in case. >.>Xefiroderc

^Lol,I have to agree with you.We have to be prepared for anything,who knows what might happen.I'm already waiting to be plugged out of the Matrix.....uh....:D

Anyways those are pretty interesting news.

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#22 Kaelken
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The closest we can get to AI in every day life is, well, Windows rofl

AI will never amount to more than a zombie - which is exactly why Left 4 dead is so right.Ā 

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the next president should bann A.I research after a certain point, it doesn't take a mathmeticion to look at an exponential function based on an intelligence increase, it's clearly disturbing. Ever hear of the terminator? not that far fetched.LTZH

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As long as they could make me a cyborg, bring it on.

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Bring it on!!!!

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If machines start to think for themselves one day, we're screwed. The logical thing is to get rid of human kind. When Agent Smith told Morpheus that we act as a virus, he wasn't too far off imo. And I totally agree on the EMP-bombs, lol. That's what rednecks of the next century will be buying like maniacs before Obama's grandson moves into the White House. (I'm so getting mod'ed right now...)artur79

exactly...

think about it... most of the people in your (multi-redesigned history) were not people that set by and obeyed and watched the world turn...

they had certian paranoia.Ā  that fueled then to see things, in a way which most people are too brainwashed to see.

we as a humanityĀ  spread as a virus... we keep our lower societies in the dark about what is going on, and when these societies that are above the lower ones, realize there is one above them keeping them in the dark as well.Ā  we consume.

there are people oon this planet, and i have a means to protect myself from it... guns, knives etc....Ā Ā Ā  need new ones for these... some kind of emp.

but throw in robots... that could possibly be doing the drug seisures on your personal home, for pot... or police the already (police state)

that could throw everybody out of jobs,,, because robots would be more efficient at paying back the interest that is (infinitely accumulating) to the central bank. for every dollar it loans out to the government.

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call me paranoid, or say im over-reacting,Ā 

cause in my eyes you might be under-reacting.

but who does that make right?.... Ā  the only thing we have as evidence on this is how many people we can get to say the same thing you, or i say?

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I can picture it now "Please activate the Fifa 2030 game" "No, I want to play Quake 5" "Shutting down" "Son of a...."
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I can picture it now "Please activate the Fifa 2030 game" "No, I want to play Quake 5" "Shutting down" "Son of a...."Treflis

yeah,,, heres one, all the married couples that fight and bicker and put up with BS from their spouse, just got married again... to the TV, Stereo, PC, etc.

putting up with the same BS that they do with their spouse.