Aion thoughts (Suggestions)

This will be brief, for those of you in the beta, if you haven't "acended" yet, just wait until you hit lvl 10. The main city looks so amazing and everytihng about the flying mechanics and combat are just superb. Aion may yet bring me back in to mmo's from the horror that was AoC.

This will be brief, for those of you in the beta, if you haven't "acended" yet, just wait until you hit lvl 10. The main city looks so amazing and everytihng about the flying mechanics and combat are just superb. Aion may yet bring me back in to mmo's from the horror that was AoC.

fatzebra

[QUOTE="fatzebra"]

This will be brief, for those of you in the beta, if you haven't "acended" yet, just wait until you hit lvl 10. The main city looks so amazing and everytihng about the flying mechanics and combat are just superb. Aion may yet bring me back in to mmo's from the horror that was AoC.

neatfeatguy

Yea, Im loving it as well. I can not *wait* for the abyss, and I dunno, something about group gameplay in this game that to me seems to surpass other MMO's, being in groups with these classes/etc. is just a blast. 21 sorceror atm, 4 more levels to gooooo!

[QUOTE="neatfeatguy"][QUOTE="fatzebra"]

This will be brief, for those of you in the beta, if you haven't "acended" yet, just wait until you hit lvl 10. The main city looks so amazing and everytihng about the flying mechanics and combat are just superb. Aion may yet bring me back in to mmo's from the horror that was AoC.

trijity

Yea, Im loving it as well. I can not *wait* for the abyss, and I dunno, something about group gameplay in this game that to me seems to surpass other MMO's, being in groups with these classes/etc. is just a blast. 21 sorceror atm, 4 more levels to gooooo!

Good to see you're having fun. I don't have the time to play much during the OB and it is finally nice that they fixed the lag issues. I hit level 14 just a little bit ago, but that's probably about as far as I'll make it this time through - I'm out of town early Thursday morning so I won't be playing tomorrow night because I'm getting ready to leave. Plus, I'm off to bed now.

I hit level 26 in the Closed Betas - by the time I did make it to 26 though, the lag was so bad (was bad in CB5 and CB6) that I couldn't play and I never did get to try out the Abyss. Hopefully it'll be a blast!

Have fun when you get there.

Isn't the game basically old-school MMO tank & spank? Where's the fun in that?F1_2004

People likes simple things, else MMORPGs in general wouldn't be as popular and consoles wouldn't exist.

Im still downloading the what seems like 100s of patches before I can even play the beta. Getting very angry as I want to play the game before the beta window closes.

Enjoy getting ganked at higher levels :D

Have to love the games that send you through PVP zones to complete PVE quests!

Isn't the game basically old-school MMO tank & spank? Where's the fun in that?F1_2004

*facepalm*

PvE isn't the focus in the first place, but if you'd looked in to the game even a little bit (instead of listening to the clueless) you would have seen that even the 6-man PvE boss encounters aren't tank & spank...

Enjoy getting ganked at higher levels :D

Have to love the games that send you through PVP zones to complete PVE quests!SimpJee

Yup, PvP and PvE are tied together in this game. You'll often have to do PvP in order to gain access to or complete PvE content.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Isn't the game basically old-school MMO tank & spank? Where's the fun in that?Velocitas8

*facepalm*

PvE isn't the focus in the first place, but if you'd looked in to the game even a little bit (instead of listening to the clueless) you would have seen that even the 6-man PvE boss encounters aren't tank & spank...

Not even the first boss of The Deadmines was tank and spank if you put it that way :roll:

Not even the first boss of The Deadmines was tank and spank if you put it that way :roll:Mograine

Please tell me you're kidding..

Sure, that video makes it look easy..but were you reading the messages on-screen?

What makes something not "tank & spank" in your mind? Having 40 people instead of 6? LOL DON'T STAND IN THE FIRE GUIZE.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]Enjoy getting ganked at higher levels :D

Have to love the games that send you through PVP zones to complete PVE quests!Velocitas8

Yup, PvP and PvE are tied together in this game. You'll often have to do PvP in order to gain access to or complete PvE content.

I just hope PVP doesn't get boring, like PVP in Warhammer did near the end. Warhammer was also much more PVP focused compared to Aion, so Aion has a lot of work to make it interesting. Although it is taking a cheap route to that effect by making it that you MUST participate in PVP because PVE quests take you through bottlenecked PVP areas that can be camped (an excellent idea :roll: )

[QUOTE="Mograine"]Not even the first boss of The Deadmines was tank and spank if you put it that way :roll:Velocitas8

Please tell me you're kidding..

Sure, that video makes it look easy..but were you reading the messages on-screen?

What makes something not "tank & spank" in your mind? Having 40 people instead of 6? LOL DON'T STAND IN THE FIRE GUIZE.

Well...to be honest, that fight looked like a mashed up Ragnaros and Chromaggus fight...

...but maybe that's just me.

I'd have played the game if they would separate them out or at least some of them like Warhammer Online did.People who enjoy PVP, AND have a group of people to play with whenever they are on, will be the only ones having fun. Those who would just like to PVE with their friends can't do that.

I just hope PVP doesn't get boring, like PVP in Warhammer did near the end. Warhammer was also much more PVP focused compared to Aion, so Aion has a lot of work to make it interesting. Although it is taking a cheap route to that effect by making it that you MUST participate in PVP because PVE quests take you through bottlenecked PVP areas that can be camped (an excellent idea :roll: )SimpJee

I understand there's people who don't like PvP..yeah, this game isn't for those people. It's for people who can appreciate and compete in both PvP and PvE.

And no, Warhammer is not more PvP oriented than this game. This game doesn't even have "PvE areas"..once you reach level 20-25, you WILL begin to encounter PvP..either through rifting, or your eventual entrance into The Abyss. You can't run off and hide in a corner of The Abyss, leveling only in "PvE areas" like you could in Warhammer (Not that this was particularly effective, since you didn't gain Renown Rank..)

To address your unfair PvP/ganking concern: there's multiple mechanics in-place to deal with high-levels ganking lower level players. First and most importantly: they'll get next to no benefit from killing low Abyss-rank characters in the first place. Second, what little benefit they do get disappears immediately with repeated kills. Thirdly, if they're simply griefing and repeatedly kill in a rifted zone, they get marked on every player's map in the zone..making it quite risky to enter low areas and gank (if they gang up and kill you, you lose a ton of Abyss points for being killed by low-ranking players, and they gain a ton.)

EDIT: Redundant sentence was redundant. Removed.

AION's a good game and I'd buy it if I had the money.

AION's a good game and I'd buy it if I had the money.

-Unreal-

He likes it?! :o

I honestly wasn't expecting your approval of the game :P

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

AION's a good game and I'd buy it if I had the money.

Velocitas8

He likes it?! :o

I honestly wasn't expecting your approval of the game :P

For reals! An open minded WoW player. Who would've thought they existed?

On that note, I'm currently downloading the beta client. Figured I should give the game a fair shot before I dismiss it out of hand.

I am playing a Templar lvl 13 atm, I just can't say enough good things about this game. I especailly enjoy the combat, the combo system and attack graphics are just amazing, every enemy I encounter feels like an epic fight. I am really enjoying lvling so far, I just wish I didn't have to work so much so I could lvl faster and get into the abyss, it sounds like alot of fun! If you can get ahold of a beta key i suggest you give this game a try.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Isn't the game basically old-school MMO tank & spank? Where's the fun in that?Velocitas8

*facepalm*

PvE isn't the focus in the first place, but if you'd looked in to the game even a little bit (instead of listening to the clueless) you would have seen that even the 6-man PvE boss encounters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpHhdkIyvrM&fmt=22" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpHhdkIyvrM&fmt=22">aren't tank & spank...

Enjoy getting ganked at higher levels :D

Have to love the games that send you through PVP zones to complete PVE quests!SimpJee

Yup, PvP and PvE are tied together in this game. You'll often have to do PvP in order to gain access to or complete PvE content.

lol, that video is precisely tank & spank, it even has instructions popping up saying "let tank take aggro". If you can make a video with step-by-step instructions on how to defeat said boss with tank & spank, then it's fairly obvious what the game is like.

Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xpjo7ZSf2Q

like 5 minutes of straight tanking and spanking, while the boss is trapped there doing one attack motion and nothing else. Sorry but the only thing to be excited about in this game is getting back on the grind treadmill.

Sorry but the only thing to be excited about in this game is getting back on the grind treadmill.

F1_2004

I will admit that I have my reservations about Aion. But I'm willing to give the beta a shot to get the general idea of how it plays out. From the videos that I've just seen, though, I'm expecting an experience similar to WoW.......except without an epic RTS story to set a backdrop.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

AION's a good game and I'd buy it if I had the money.

Ein-7919

He likes it?! :o

I honestly wasn't expecting your approval of the game :P

For reals! An open minded WoW player. Who would've thought they existed?

On that note, I'm currently downloading the beta client. Figured I should give the game a fair shot before I dismiss it out of hand.

I like good games. I'm not just a WoW fan.-Unreal-

Sorry, just thought that my post history (in particular my history regarding WoW) would've taken care of setting the 'tone' of my post. The whole disbelief that a WoW player can be open-minded was meant to be ironic (afterall, I have been a WoW player since open beta...but I am open to trying out other games [including MMOs]...so I know, from first-hand knowledge, that being an extensive WoW player is not mutually exclusive to being a player of other MMOs or games in general).

it even has instructions popping up saying "let tank take aggro"F1_2004

Right..so any encounter that uses a tank to mitigate and soak damage is "tank & spank."

Apparently you have your own little stricter take on the term..not much point in arguing with you.

being an extensive WoW player is not mutually exclusive to being a player of other MMOs or games in generalEin-7919

How you came to the conclusion that this is what I was implying with that comment is beyond me :?

Though it's been a very long time since my departure, I played and enjoyed WoW quite a bit myself. Just got tired of it.

[QUOTE="Ein-7919"]being an extensive WoW player is not mutually exclusive to being a player of other MMOs or games in generalVelocitas8

How you came to the conclusion that this is what I was implying with that comment is beyond me :?

Though it's been a very long time since my departure, I played and enjoyed WoW quite a bit myself. Just got tired of it.

I guess I got it from your disbelief that -Unreal- was liking Aion.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]it even has instructions popping up saying "let tank take aggro"Velocitas8

Right..so any encounter that uses a tank to mitigate and soak damage is "tank & spank."

Apparently you have your own little stricter take on the term..not much point in arguing with you.

being an extensive WoW player is not mutually exclusive to being a player of other MMOs or games in generalEin-7919

How you came to the conclusion that this is what I was implying with that comment is beyond me :?

Though it's been a very long time since my departure, I played and enjoyed WoW quite a bit myself. Just got tired of it.

Isn't the game basically old-school MMO tank & spank? Where's the fun in that?F1_2004

I am playing a Templar lvl 13 atm, I just can't say enough good things about this game. I especailly enjoy the combat, the combo system and attack graphics are just amazing, every enemy I encounter feels like an epic fight. I am really enjoying lvling so far, I just wish I didn't have to work so much so I could lvl faster and get into the abyss, it sounds like alot of fun! If you can get ahold of a beta key i suggest you give this game a try.

hoadsw

The focus of Aion is not PvE, it's PvP, and the majority of the people who like it and/or are drawn to it are playing it for the PvP, not the PvE.

I think the game is great, BUT, it does lack variety.

There's only 1 race, and EVERYONE looks the same (good looking humans...i haven't even seen someone make a fat chick yet)! the only thing that you can do to differentaite yourself is to change your height, tho, i think after time, everyone will be a midget for the purpose of being a little harder to target in pvp.

..therefore, there's no special racial abilities that are unique to each race sincethere ARE NO otherraces, and I think that's going to make this game very stale over time. at least in wow you had what, 6 different races to choose from on each side, and now they're adding a couple more.

also, i hear that the quests and cutscenes are identical no matter which faction you choose.

again, lack of variety.

everything esle is top notch.

I think the game is great, BUT, it does lack variety.

There's only 1 race, and EVERYONE looks the same (good looking humans...i haven't even seen someone make a fat chick yet)! the only thing that you can do to differentaite yourself is to change your height, tho, i think after time, everyone will be a midget for the purpose of being a little harder to target in pvp.

..therefore, there's no special racial abilities that are unique to each race sincethere ARE NO otherraces, and I think that's going to make this game very stale over time. at least in wow you had what, 6 different races to choose from on each side, and now they're adding a couple more.

also, i hear that the quests and cutscenes are identical no matter which faction you choose.

again, lack of variety.

everything esle is top notch.

alkaline_DnB

I think the game is great, BUT, it does lack variety.

There's only 1 race, and EVERYONE looks the same (good looking humans...i haven't even seen someone make a fat chick yet)! the only thing that you can do to differentaite yourself is to change your height, tho, i think after time, everyone will be a midget for the purpose of being a little harder to target in pvp.

..therefore, there's no special racial abilities that are unique to each race sincethere ARE NO otherraces, and I think that's going to make this game very stale over time. at least in wow you had what, 6 different races to choose from on each side, and now they're adding a couple more.

also, i hear that the quests and cutscenes are identical no matter which faction you choose.

again, lack of variety.

everything esle is top notch.

alkaline_DnB

I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that size of the toon doesn't matter, they all have the same size target box - I haven't experienced any of this myself, I'm just going off of what I've read about.

The number of races you have, doesn't effect the outcome of the fact that there are two sides: Alliance and Horde - sure you can pick from 3 or 4 sub-races on each side, but in the end you're still Alliance or Horde.

That's no different from being Elyos or Asmodians or even if they added a sub race to each side; in the end, they are still Elyos or Asmodians.

You can customize a lot (maybe not as much as you could do in say, Oblivion or in other games like that) to make your Asmodian look extremely different from other Asmodians - sure you'll come across others that might look similar to you, but that happens in real life, too. I've ran across people that I could mistake for someone I know at first glance due to them having a strong similarity.

I wouldn't call the quests identical - that would mean that absolutely nothing is different between Quest A for the Elyos and Quest A for the Asmodians - in reality they'd be more like Quest A for the Elyos and Quest A1 for the Asmodians. Sure there are similiarities, but they're not identical.

The 1.5 patch and all the leg work done since the Closed Betas, the cut scenes have had voices added to them - they're different from what I can remember, but I can't give you a better answer then that until the game goes live and I can actually take time to play some Elyos and Asmodian to compare better.

i agree w/ lolcats

it's a cool game which does a lot of things very well. the concept of battling while airborn is cool, the graphics are great, the music is great, and if they just charge a fee for where you only pay for the amount of time you spend in-game, it will be fine for a little bit.

i also hope that fly zones are less restricted the more you advance and level up in the game, and that the speed of flying also increases. once i got my wings, i was only allowed to fly in certain areas, but i thought the whole ideawas to able to fly anywhere. flying is barely faster than walking too, and trust me, it's not fun walking everywhwere.

mounts, faster fly speeds, anything to increase the speed of getting from point A to point B needs to be implemented. and i'm not just talking about paying flight masters or teleports to get to major cities.

i just don't want Aion to simply be an MMO with a nice paint job and a gimmick thatovershadows for the lack of other gameplay areas, because it just won't last.

The number of races you have, doesn't effect the outcome of the fact that there are two sides: Alliance and Horde - sure you can pick from 3 or 4 sub-races on each side, but in the end you're still Alliance or Horde.

That's no different from being Elyos or Asmodians or even if they added a sub race to each side; in the end, they are still Elyos or Asmodians.

i disagree. different races had different abilities which also made a slight difference in pvp and it slightly affected which race was best suited per the classes. my point is, everyone looks human in Aion.

theonly difference is that one group has backhair and claws.

i almost forgot, is there even a way to spec in Aion? i didn't see anything, you just buy skills and learn them and there you go...that's your skill tree. essentially, everyone in a specific class will have the same stats.

needs more VARIETY. hope they add to it.

i agree w/ lolcats

it's a cool game which does a lot of things very well. the concept of battling while airborn is cool, the graphics are great, the music is great, and if they just charge a fee for where you only pay for the amount of time you spend in-game, it will be fine for a little bit.

i also hope that fly zones are less restricted the more you advance and level up in the game, and that the speed of flying also increases. once i got my wings, i was only allowed to fly in certain areas, but i thought the whole ideawas to able to fly anywhere. flying is barely faster than walking too, and trust me, it's not fun walking everywhwere.

mounts, faster fly speeds, anything to increase the speed of getting from point A to point B needs to be implemented. and i'm not just talking about paying flight masters or teleports to get to major cities.

i just don't want Aion to simply be an MMO with a nice paint job and a gimmick thatovershadows for the lack of other gameplay areas, because it just won't last.

alkaline_DnB

Flight is restricted to areas: You can fly in the Abyss and only in certain main towns/villages. Otherwise you can glide, which you can quickly speed up your walk - if you are able to glide from a higher spot to a lower spot. Otherwise walking is right now the only main way to move through the lands. I hear mounts are in the work, but that might just be rumor.

You can aquire items/Titles that can help increase your flying speed - I don't know how much, but there are ways to do so in the game already. Also not to mention that you can purchase wing improvemnts to allow you to fly for longer periods of time (maybe they add to flight speed, too???)

i disagree. different races had different abilities which also made a slight difference in pvp and it slightly affected which race was best suited per the classes. my point is, everyone looks human in Aion.

theonly difference is that one group has backhair and claws.

i almost forgot, is there even a way to spec in Aion? i didn't see anything, you just buy skills and learn them and there you go.

VARIETY.

alkaline_DnB

Aion is a human world - it's not some mystical orc, goblin, dragon world; it is a human world. Hence the humans that reside there.

Maybe something can be done to give small boosts to Asmodians that rift into Elyos's land during the night time (since Asmodians live on the darkside of the world) and the same would go for Elyos that rift into Asmodian's area, except they'd get small boosts during the day time (since Elyos live on the lightside of the world). Other then that, I don't really see the need for something along the lines of different races having different abilities...at least not for here in Aion.

Aion is more designed to function with player skill and the game is easier to balance without a skill tree. I've seen a lot of nerfing in WoW - Rangers, Sorcerers, Rogues....things have to constantly get changed/nerfed to try and balance things out with all those skill trees. Then you get a lot of crying about how my Super Sorcerer cannot win every single duel now because Skill A was tweaked and Skill B takes longer to cooldown....

It should be easier for Aion to balance classes out without having a massive skill tree to take into consideration. We'll just have to wait and see though until we get a chance to experience things firsthand. So I could be wrong or I could be right...or maybe my opinion falls somewhere in the middle of those two.

In the end, you seem to want to make this game more like WoW (I'm not saying exactly like WoW, but something similar)...if that's the case, then why not play WoW and enjoy what it offers? Aion is a different game and it should be a different experience from WoW.

I personally felt WoW was dumbed down and made into a very simple game that anyone could play. I feel Aion is more like a big brother to WoW, in other words, Aion feels more grown up over WoW. That's just my opinion, take it as you will.

I think the game is great, BUT, it does lack variety.

There's only 1 race, and EVERYONE looks the same (good looking humans...i haven't even seen someone make a fat chick yet)! the only thing that you can do to differentaite yourself is to change your height, tho, i think after time, everyone will be a midget for the purpose of being a little harder to target in pvp.

..therefore, there's no special racial abilities that are unique to each race sincethere ARE NO otherraces, and I think that's going to make this game very stale over time. at least in wow you had what, 6 different races to choose from on each side, and now they're adding a couple more.

also, i hear that the quests and cutscenes are identical no matter which faction you choose.

again, lack of variety.

everything esle is top notch.

alkaline_DnB

if games are going to copy eachother, than they need to be judged accordingly. of course everyone is going to hold a candle to any mmo after wow, because warcraft just does it better.

i'm just saying what needs to be implemented for a better gaming experience and a stronger competitor in the sea of mmo's and the leader that is wow.

this game is lacking in variety.

The number of races you have, doesn't effect the outcome of the fact that there are two sides: Alliance and Horde - sure you can pick from 3 or 4 sub-races on each side, but in the end you're still Alliance or Horde. That's no different from being Elyos or Asmodians or even if they added a sub race to each side; in the end, they are still Elyos or Asmodians.neatfeatguy

Imagine if WoW only had Humans and Orcs. That's it. You can't tell me that wouldn't be really lame.

A small gripe I have with the character customisation is that I think when people create a really small character, it just looks silly when you see them running around in the world. They can be as small as about 1 ft and their animations are hyper speed. Same with overly large characters. Their animations are slowed down. I know the mechanics though and that this is an expected result of making a character very small or very large.

I think they should either restrict the height more, or give more options for tiny or lanky characters. A lanky pointy-eared character seems fine (like an elf), but all the tiny characters that just look like humans are strange looking. I imediately thought of a pixie or fairy when I saw some tiny female character run past me.

I have seen some funny looking short (not tiny) characters though. Like little fat guys, those look fitting.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that size of the toon doesn't matter, they all have the same size target boxneatfeatguy

This is partially true.

Created characters have a *minimum* hitbox size. Lowering the size of your character below the 40-50% slider mark does not make your hitbox any smaller compared to what it is AT 40-50%. However, there is a bit of a difference between that minimum 40-50% and the hitbox of a max-size character.

It doesn't really matter, though. The difference isn't significant enough to give players a notable advantage. Still, it IS pretty ridiciulous how small you can make a character. Needs to be changed.

I completely disagree. The various races and their each individual starting areas added a great deal of variety to WoW. I don't see how you could think otherwise. Sure, they were either Horde or Alliance, but having two factions with several races isn't the same as having two races in the game period.zomglolcats

Going from one race to one you'd never played gave you what..maybe a couple hours of new content? Then you're back to the same old zones everyone goes to for your level range. I see what you're saying, but it's not the huge deal you're making it out to be imo. World of Warcraft DID have a nice variety of zones for players to enter during each level range, though..which was much more significant than simply having different starting zones.