AMD Buldozer, Intel Sandy fanboy?

Hi. Im thinking of getting lower range of the buldozer cpu from AMD. AMD Bulldozer FX-4 Quad Core 4100 Black Edition 3.60Ghz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game [FD4100WMGUSBX] for £86,99. But i hear people say its should be called faildozer. But the reviews ive seen are good reviews. Is this AMD Buldozer vs Intel Sandy or Ivy like fan boys saying 360 better then PS3 or other way round etc?.

Hi. Im thinking of getting lower range of the buldozer cpu from AMD. AMD Bulldozer FX-4 Quad Core 4100 Black Edition 3.60Ghz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game [FD4100WMGUSBX] for £86,99. But i hear people say its should be called faildozer. But the reviews ive seen are good reviews. Is this AMD Buldozer vs Intel Sandy or Ivy like fan boys saying 360 better then PS3 or other way round etc?.

skipper847

Do not buy an AMD processor. There is no reason whatsoever to pick em over the intel i5s and 7's

Do not buy an AMD processor. There is no reason whatsoever to pick em over the intel i5s and 7's

DoomZaW

No it's not like the PS3 v 360 argument. AMD sucks hard by comparison to Intel.

The 4170 is pretty decent. It's one of the few bulldozers to be clocked where AMD wanted it to be.

I was actulay thinking of getting that cpu and a cheap AMD mobo for 1st time build so im not spending too much if anything blows up lol. As it is a couple of £100 cheaper. I just wanted to no if it was just like a fan boy thing why people dint like them.

The Bulldozer chips are good for budget builds. I have one in mine that I used in a $600 build. Paired it with a Radeon HD 6850, and there's nothing I'v not been able to play. If you have the money, go for an i5, but if you need a CPU for cheap, then the Bulldozers will do just fine.muffinduck01

I agree.

AMD cpus just blow. You can get intel celeron processors like the g820 for < 50 pounds and it will beat every AMD cpu out there in terms of gaming. I just purchased a $40 intel celeron g520 and its amazing what it can do. If you want a cheap build thats what I recommend, go intel, get a intel z77 mother board and a cheap sandy bridge celeron processor. Then upgrade the processor down the road when you think you need it.

you mean something like this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-384-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=2037

you mean something like this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-384-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=2037

skipper847

yephttp://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=146

gaming wise, a 50 pound cpu like the g620 can keep up with AMD's best cpu, the hex core 1090T

[QUOTE="skipper847"]

you mean something like this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-384-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=2037

blaznwiipspman1

yephttp://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=146

gaming wise, a 50 pound cpu like the g620 can keep up with AMD's best cpu, the hex core 1090T

you see the problem wityh a dual intel cpu is tha when next gen ssytems come around nobody will have a dual core anymore. so multiplats will all be needing quads and since their all amd based. amd controls the preformance abr for gaming. yes intels quads will still be better but their dual cores will become irrelevant and buying into the future intel power will be un-necissary

TC, the fanboys are the ones claiming that bulldozer is pure fail or whatever. Reasonable people will correctly tell you that the SB CPU's are better however they won't go on an AMD bash-fest as some in this thread have.

That particular bulldozer CPU is decent for a mid-range gaming PC (although the FX-4170 is preferable). Don't let the fanboys make you believe that it won't run any of the recent games, because that is completely untrue.

For roughly the same price, you can get an i3, which does amazingly in games right now. And if you get the right motherboard, you can upgrade to ivy bridge in a year if the i3 isn't enough any more. The bulldozer path is pretty much a dead end as far as upgrades go, because the next processors will use a different socket. I think at this point, Intel is the way to go.

For roughly the same price, you can get an i3, which does amazingly in games right now. And if you get the right motherboard, you can upgrade to ivy bridge in a year if the i3 isn't enough any more. The bulldozer path is pretty much a dead end as far as upgrades go, because the next processors will use a different socket. I think at this point, Intel is the way to go.

ryguy64

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

The older phenom quads are still good value

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors+-+AMD/AMD+Phenom+II+-+Socket+AM3/AMD+Phenom+II+X4+Quad+Core+965+Black+Edition+125W+3.40GHz+C3+%28Socket+AM3%29+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=38891

The older phenom quads are still good value

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors+-+AMD/AMD+Phenom+II+-+Socket+AM3/AMD+Phenom+II+X4+Quad+Core+965+Black+Edition+125W+3.40GHz+C3+%28Socket+AM3%29+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=38891

kraken2109

FX-4100 is good for its price, just like Intel's G860 or i3-2100. Personally I'd choose AMD because I don't like the idea of having no overclocking option. I mean if it's my CPU I should be able to do whatever I want with it, overclock it, fry it, whatever, it's my problem. But, you know, that's just, like, my opinion.

If you are on a tight budject AMD, otherwise pony up 200 dollars and get a i5 2500k

[QUOTE="skipper847"]

you mean something like this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-384-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=2037

blaznwiipspman1

yephttp://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=146

gaming wise, a 50 pound cpu like the g620 can keep up with AMD's best cpu, the hex core 1090T

[QUOTE="ryguy64"]

For roughly the same price, you can get an i3, which does amazingly in games right now. And if you get the right motherboard, you can upgrade to ivy bridge in a year if the i3 isn't enough any more. The bulldozer path is pretty much a dead end as far as upgrades go, because the next processors will use a different socket. I think at this point, Intel is the way to go.

ionusX

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

let alone the FX-8120 and 8150 both dropped in price big time.

the FX-8120 $169.99

the FX-8150 $199.99

thats the price on newegg.

so i think ill go for a 8150. i have a few friends that have either a 8120 or 8150 and both says it is fast then the old quad AMD cpus they have. (dont know what AMD quad core they owned)

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="ryguy64"]

For roughly the same price, you can get an i3, which does amazingly in games right now. And if you get the right motherboard, you can upgrade to ivy bridge in a year if the i3 isn't enough any more. The bulldozer path is pretty much a dead end as far as upgrades go, because the next processors will use a different socket. I think at this point, Intel is the way to go.

msfan1289

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

let alone the FX-8120 and 8150 both dropped in price big time.

the FX-8120 $169.99

the FX-8150 $199.99

thats the price on newegg.

so i think ill go for a 8150. i have a few friends that have either a 8120 or 8150 and both says it is fast then the old quad AMD cpus they have. (dont know what AMD quad core they owned)

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"] next cpu lineup uses am3+ you are wrong. vishera uses am3+ :P

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

C_Rule

let alone the FX-8120 and 8150 both dropped in price big time.

the FX-8120 $169.99

the FX-8150 $199.99

thats the price on newegg.

so i think ill go for a 8150. i have a few friends that have either a 8120 or 8150 and both says it is fast then the old quad AMD cpus they have. (dont know what AMD quad core they owned)

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"] next cpu lineup uses am3+ you are wrong. vishera uses am3+ :P

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

C_Rule

let alone the FX-8120 and 8150 both dropped in price big time.

the FX-8120 $169.99

the FX-8150 $199.99

thats the price on newegg.

so i think ill go for a 8150. i have a few friends that have either a 8120 or 8150 and both says it is fast then the old quad AMD cpus they have. (dont know what AMD quad core they owned)

well you see, dont forget that there are people that already have a AM3+ motherboard like me. getting a intel board and a intel CPU will make you go backwards, in this case a 8120 is a go or wait a few more weeks and see if the 8150 will drop more in price.

Regardless of what motherboard you have... argh... you'd be better off with an old X4

I mean $200 is just too much considering the i5-2500K and i5 3570K aren't much further off.

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"] next cpu lineup uses am3+ you are wrong. vishera uses am3+ :P

the apu is a dead path as fm2 is trinity's socket but fm2 will be around for another 2-3 lineups after.

so your arguement is invalid on that point. also though IB is indeed on 1155 haswell uses 1154 socket and that means that its actually more of a dead end than bulldozer is as am3+ will be the socket for excavator as well

C_Rule

let alone the FX-8120 and 8150 both dropped in price big time.

the FX-8120 $169.99

the FX-8150 $199.99

thats the price on newegg.

so i think ill go for a 8150. i have a few friends that have either a 8120 or 8150 and both says it is fast then the old quad AMD cpus they have. (dont know what AMD quad core they owned)

I was thinking of going with Intel, but I decided to save a little $$ and go with the Fx-6100, and I couldn't be happier! I know in certain benchmarks it falls behind the I-7,but that's kinda expected, but it performs like a champ for me! Easy to overclock, which I have mine slightly overclocked to 3.7ghz, mainly because I'm using stock coolers. I would say go with your instincts as far as making a purchase. I don't really buy into the whole fanboy rave. If a product works well for you, then most people tend to keep buying that product. I haven't experienced, or had a chance to mess around with a Sandy setup. I'd go for whatever fits my budget, and works well with my setup.

AMD cpus just blow. You can get intel celeron processors like the g820 for < 50 pounds and it will beat every AMD cpu out there in terms of gaming. I just purchased a $40 intel celeron g520 and its amazing what it can do. If you want a cheap build thats what I recommend, go intel, get a intel z77 mother board and a cheap sandy bridge celeron processor. Then upgrade the processor down the road when you think you need it.

blaznwiipspman1

A G820 won't beat all AMD CPUs in gaming. That's just not true. It will beat quite a few AMD CPUs in quite a few games, but you're really overstating your case.. as usual. Also, what is the cheapest Z77 board? How much does it cost to get that board in combination with a celeron sandy bridge? I think it pretty likely that someone could buy a decent AMD quad-core chip and a motherboard for less. I know the point of your suggestion was so that they could upgrade later, but then you have spent money on 2 CPUs. I find that it's better to buy something that performs the way you want it to right up front.. Not to buy one thing and then turn around and buy something more expensive to replace it, knowing you would want to do that eventually anyways.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

AMD cpus just blow. You can get intel celeron processors like the g820 for < 50 pounds and it will beat every AMD cpu out there in terms of gaming. I just purchased a $40 intel celeron g520 and its amazing what it can do. If you want a cheap build thats what I recommend, go intel, get a intel z77 mother board and a cheap sandy bridge celeron processor. Then upgrade the processor down the road when you think you need it.

hartsickdiscipl

A G820 won't beat all AMD CPUs in gaming. That's just not true. It will beat quite a few AMD CPUs in quite a few games, but you're really overstating your case.. as usual. Also, what is the cheapest Z77 board? How much does it cost to get that board in combination with a celeron sandy bridge? I think it pretty likely that someone could buy a decent AMD quad-core chip and a motherboard for less. I know the point of your suggestion was so that they could upgrade later, but then you have spent money on 2 CPUs. I find that it's better to buy something that performs the way you want it to right up front.. Not to buy one thing and then turn around and buy something more expensive to replace it, knowing you would want to do that eventually anyways.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

AMD cpus just blow. You can get intel celeron processors like the g820 for < 50 pounds and it will beat every AMD cpu out there in terms of gaming. I just purchased a $40 intel celeron g520 and its amazing what it can do. If you want a cheap build thats what I recommend, go intel, get a intel z77 mother board and a cheap sandy bridge celeron processor. Then upgrade the processor down the road when you think you need it.

godzillavskong

A G820 won't beat all AMD CPUs in gaming. That's just not true. It will beat quite a few AMD CPUs in quite a few games, but you're really overstating your case.. as usual. Also, what is the cheapest Z77 board? How much does it cost to get that board in combination with a celeron sandy bridge? I think it pretty likely that someone could buy a decent AMD quad-core chip and a motherboard for less. I know the point of your suggestion was so that they could upgrade later, but then you have spent money on 2 CPUs. I find that it's better to buy something that performs the way you want it to right up front.. Not to buy one thing and then turn around and buy something more expensive to replace it, knowing you would want to do that eventually anyways.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

AMD cpus just blow. You can get intel celeron processors like the g820 for < 50 pounds and it will beat every AMD cpu out there in terms of gaming. I just purchased a $40 intel celeron g520 and its amazing what it can do. If you want a cheap build thats what I recommend, go intel, get a intel z77 mother board and a cheap sandy bridge celeron processor. Then upgrade the processor down the road when you think you need it.

hartsickdiscipl

A G820 won't beat all AMD CPUs in gaming. That's just not true. It will beat quite a few AMD CPUs in quite a few games, but you're really overstating your case.. as usual. Also, what is the cheapest Z77 board? How much does it cost to get that board in combination with a celeron sandy bridge? I think it pretty likely that someone could buy a decent AMD quad-core chip and a motherboard for less. I know the point of your suggestion was so that they could upgrade later, but then you have spent money on 2 CPUs. I find that it's better to buy something that performs the way you want it to right up front.. Not to buy one thing and then turn around and buy something more expensive to replace it, knowing you would want to do that eventually anyways.