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#1 FreddoX12
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Which of them both do you prefer? And why?

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#2 Indestructible2
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Don't have anything against either company,i'm Neutral TBQH,though AMD is better for el cheapo rigs,and Intel for higher-end PC's.
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#3 Daytona_178
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Which of them both do you prefer? And why?

FreddoX12

Well Intel gives the best price/performance ratio in most price categories,,,espicially if you want to overclock! AMD seems be a good choice for people who want a cheap duel core CPU and dont know how to overclock!

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#4 SSJBen
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Budget rig = AMD

Mainstream rig = Intel

High-end rig = Intel

Personally, AMD totally owns in the budget sector right now. An X2 4000+ is already overkill enough for a simple usage computer.

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#5 bumsoil
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well, i am a amd fanboy........ with a intel q6600......... amd is sucking as of now.
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#6 yoyo462001
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lol this thread again... go with whats best atm want AMD to do better than what there doing atm because look where that got us last time.. we got Core 2's...
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#7 Threesixtyci
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I'd say intel is in the lead... but I'll also say it doesn't matter, which way you go, because the videocard is the more important gaming factor, currently....
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#8 SSJBen
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I'd say intel is in the lead... but I'll also say it doesn't matter, which way you go, because the videocard is the more important gaming factor, currently....Threesixtyci

Not everything is about games you know.

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#9 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I'd say intel is in the lead... but I'll also say it doesn't matter, which way you go, because the videocard is the more important gaming factor, currently....SSJBen

Not everything is about games you know.

lol yeah exactly...cpu is the most important thing (no matter what anyone says) all commands go through it, its like your brain, it basically controls everything....bad analogy :)
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I'd say intel is in the lead... but I'll also say it doesn't matter, which way you go, because the videocard is the more important gaming factor, currently....SSJBen

Not everything is about games you know.

...then there is no point to this discussion.

Either the company paid for the PC you work on, you have no problem working on a PC designed only for buisness needs (minus all the gaming performance extras), or you should have no problems working from an older PC worth about 100 bucks after depreciation with zero need and desire to upgrade. All of which equaling, not caring whether it's AMD or Intel.... Such people only care that it turns on....

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#11 osan0
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i dont really care and i dont actively support either. i have an intel CPU because it was the best CPU i could get at the time. my laptop has an amd64 3000+ and its never given me any trouble.

its the same with my GPU. i got a GTX because it was the highest performer in the market and that was what i wanted (the X2000 series wasnt even out at the time so i was hardly going to go for an X1950 or something). my i wanted my laptop to have an ati GPU because ati were building better mobile GPUs at the time (ati mobility radeon 9600 bet the snot out of my bros FX go 5600).

i dont limit myself to a certain company. at the mo im thinking of building a cheap home media center and AMD are more tempting for that i have to say.

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#12 sabbath2gamer
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im somewhat an amd fanboy but iv been liking intel for the past couple of weeks since they relased the E8400

the e2140-80 are pretty fun to play around tho :)

the only reason ibought amd was cuz i didnt have enough money at the time but im happy

as for the quote above where someone said the cpu is more important...well when it comes to game a gpu is more important cuz a good (amd 5000 and above) or (intel E4400 or E21** overclocked) will do as they wont bottleneck anything.

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#13 joe11king
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Id like to say AMD isnt just for cheap rigs. AMd offers near he same performance for a few quid less than intel, and AMDs DO overclock well (the newer ones, anyway). it all goes in cycles anyway. amd and intel take turns being better than the other.
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#14 sabbath2gamer
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Id like to say AMD isnt just for cheap rigs. AMd offers near he same performance for a few quid less than intel, and AMDs DO overclock well (the newer ones, anyway). it all goes in cycles anyway. amd and intel take turns being better than the other.joe11king

intel is better then amd by like 15 cpus :S

the 6400 i think is the best cpu for amd and intel has way better cpus then the 6400

i like amd but im just trying to prove a point

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#15 trodeback
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Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better.
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#16 Domobomb
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Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better. trodeback
Actually, no; I spent $190 on my AMD Phenom a few months ago. It competes with the Q6600. The Phenom is about %10-15 slower then the Q6600, and that's only when you're looking for it(Synthetic Benchmarks. Daily usage, they perform very similiar, but I got mine for $100 less. The intel does overclock better, but with a quad the only real improvement you see is in synthetic benchmarks, and other stressful tasks, like video encoding. OC'ing doesn't help much when you're already hitting 60fps.
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#17 Domobomb
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Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better. trodeback
Actually, no; I spent $190 on my AMD Phenom a few months ago. It competes with the Q6600. The Phenom is about %10-15 slower then the Q6600, and that's only when you're looking for it(Synthetic Benchmarks). Daily usage, they perform very similiar, but I got mine for $100 less. The intel does overclock better, but with a quad the only real improvement you see is in synthetic benchmarks, and other stressful tasks, like video encoding. OC'ing doesn't help much when you're already hitting 60fps.
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#18 Domobomb
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Argh, double post. GS is messed up ATM.
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#19 dbowman
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AMD is cheaper, but Intel currently have better Processors, thats why I went with a Core 2 Duo.

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#20 yoyo462001
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Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better. trodeback
lol this is a joke post isnt it? 2x the performance... i think you need to do some economics and look up 'Price elasticity of demand'...
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#21 SSJBen
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[QUOTE="SSJBen"]

[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]I'd say intel is in the lead... but I'll also say it doesn't matter, which way you go, because the videocard is the more important gaming factor, currently....Threesixtyci

Not everything is about games you know.

...then there is no point to this discussion.

Either the company paid for the PC you work on, you have no problem working on a PC designed only for buisness needs (minus all the gaming performance extras), or you should have no problems working from an older PC worth about 100 bucks after depreciation with zero need and desire to upgrade. All of which equaling, not caring whether it's AMD or Intel.... Such people only care that it turns on....

*slaps head at n00b of the day*

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#22 Threesixtyci
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^^^:roll:

...said the dude on a gamespot forum.

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[QUOTE="trodeback"]Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better. yoyo462001
lol this is a joke post isnt it? 2x the performance... i think you need to do some economics and look up 'Price elasticity of demand'...

LOL I was waiting for someone to respond to that ! x2 the preformance ??? Nice math there. Lst time i check 10-15% is not that much of a diffrence, hell it has even beat the intel quad at some things.

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#24 brayant321
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="trodeback"]Intel. Better overclockers, better benchmarks, not that much of a concern for price difference when you get so much more performance. If your willing to spend $150 on a processor, spend an extra 50-70 bucks for one that's almost 2x better. brayant321

lol this is a joke post isnt it? 2x the performance... i think you need to do some economics and look up 'Price elasticity of demand'...

LOL I was waiting for someone to respond to that ! x2 the preformance ??? Nice math there. Lst time i check 10-15% is not that much of a diffrence, hell it has even beat the intel quad at some things.

Oh sorry for the double post but if you know anything about overclocking a CPU you would know that a performance increase of about .4 GHz is really not worth 70, because you really won't notice a difference except on bench mark test.

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#25 Domobomb
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my Phenom vs. Q6600 Deally thing.
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^^^:roll:

...said the dude on a gamespot forum.

Threesixtyci

...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

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#27 X360PS3AMD05
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Whoever gives me more for my money.
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#28 Domobomb
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Whoever gives me more for my money.X360PS3AMD05

That would be AMD ATM.

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#29 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Domobomb

That would be AMD ATM.

?really? AMD only gives better value if you dont overclock, and also its only best value in the lower price bracket!

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#30 sted1
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not really...u dont want your cpu bottlenecking your video card..have that problem now and have to build a whole new rig cuzz of it....
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#31 Riki101
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which ever has the product that gives me good performance for the price im looking for i dont care,

the same goes for ATI and nvidia
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#32 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Domobomb

That would be AMD ATM.

that depends on what price range..
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#33 Threesixtyci
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...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Wesker776

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

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#34 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"] ...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Threesixtyci

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

people dont buy great pcs just for games, your looking at it in such a ignorant way...
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#35 Domobomb
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[QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.yoyo462001

That would be AMD ATM.

that depends on what price range..

Everything up to, and including the quads. Pretty much every AMD CPU is a better value against its Intel counterpart. There are a few exceptions though, like the Phenom 9600, which is $60 more then the 9500 for .1GHz.

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[QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.daytona_178

That would be AMD ATM.

?really? AMD only gives better value if you dont overclock, and also its only best value in the lower price bracket!

Who the hell overclocks their cpu? Jesus you are making it sound like it's a norm for processors. Unless if your cpu is pretty old and you are trying to get as much out of it as you can until you get a new one, then I don't see a point to overclocking as it doesn't do much. If someone has a Q6600 why the hell would they need to overclock that thing?

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#37 Domobomb
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[QUOTE="daytona_178"][QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Ilived

That would be AMD ATM.

?really? AMD only gives better value if you dont overclock, and also its only best value in the lower price bracket!

Who the hell overclocks their cpu? Jesus you are making it sound like it's a norm for processors. Unless if your cpu is pretty old and you are trying to get as much out of it as you can until you get a new one, then I don't see a point to overclocking as it doesn't do much. If someone has a Q6600 why the hell would they need to overclock that thing?

That's why they should get a Phenom if they don't plan on OC'ing their Q6600. Similar performance for $100 less. And an OC on a Q6600 doesn't really even do much for you; there aren't many programs out there that push, or stress a quad to its limits to warrant an OC. Unless you wanted a bigger benchmark/e-peen, but that hardly represents actual usage/peen size.

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#38 SSJBen
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"] ...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Threesixtyci

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

Stop making a fool out of yourself.

You started saying video cards are the most important factor in gaming, which is true. What I only did say is that not every freaking thing on a computer is about games, games, games. We're obviously in a CPU discussion topic, so you have to LOOK at what other things you do on the PC. NOT JUST GAMES.

Then you go on saying theres no point into this discussion. Okay... wtf?
Just because I say not everything is about games and thats it? No point? What are you, some kind of a 11 year old kid?

And then you blow Wesker776 off by saying he got a HD3870 in crossfire which is only used for word processing? Wow you need some serious help.

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#39 Threesixtyci
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Did you, or did you not state the following: "An X2 4000+ is already overkill enough for a simple usage computer."

I didn't blowoff anyone, Wesker776 clearly didn't understand where my response was coming from and by the looks of things, neither do you. Saying "Not everything is about gaming" ...is hypocritical, under such pretense.

Such fanboyism on modern systems, can only be derived from gaming... And now that AMD has aquired ATI, where is that line going to be drawn, now? AMD who is dominated by Nvidia chipsets for their motherboards... It's all messed up, right now.

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#40 blackacidevl
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I wouldnt suggest the Phenom CPUs to anyone for a couple of months, spoke to an AMD rep and was informed that peolpe should hold out on those for a few weeks because of a possible flaw in the CPU.
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#41 yoyo462001
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Did you, or did you not state the following: "An X2 4000+ is already overkill enough for a simple usage computer."

I didn't blowoff anyone, Wesker776 clearly didn't understand where my response was coming from and by the looks of things, neither do you. Saying "Not everything is about gaming" ...is hypocritical, under such pretense.

Such fanboyism on modern systems, can only be derived from gaming... And now that AMD has aquired ATI, where is that line going to be drawn, now? AMD who is dominated by Nvidia chipsets for their motherboards... It's all messed up, right now.

Threesixtyci
I'm sorry but its still ignorant to have to link everything to games... and from what you've just said you haven't really justified what you originally said but just waffled about...
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#42 Domobomb
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I wouldnt suggest the Phenom CPUs to anyone for a couple of months, spoke to an AMD rep and was informed that peolpe should hold out on those for a few weeks because of a possible flaw in the CPU.blackacidevl

You spoke to an AMD rep and he suggested against buying his CPUs? Right...

The TLB erratum occurrs in virtualization, and is very rare to come across in normal use. It's already been fixed, I believe. Phenoms are awesome.

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[QUOTE="blackacidevl"]I wouldnt suggest the Phenom CPUs to anyone for a couple of months, spoke to an AMD rep and was informed that peolpe should hold out on those for a few weeks because of a possible flaw in the CPU.Domobomb

You spoke to an AMD rep and he suggested against buying his CPUs? Right...

The TLB erratum occurrs in virtualization, and is very rare to come across in normal use. It's already been fixed, I believe. Phenoms are awesome.

I prefer and use AMD myself.

They have fixed the error but those chips won't be available until sometime in March. The current fix is a patch that locks out the Lvl 3 cache to prevent the error from occuring. This comes at a cost because the processor takes a performance hit.

I own a 790 chipset motherboard myself which allows me to upgrade to quad-core. I am running a X2 6400+ Black Edition for now. When AMD releases the new Phenoms with the "erratum" error fixed and the squeeze a little more speed out of them I'll be getting one myself.

On paper AMD's quad-core architecture is superior to Intel's. Now let's hope the boys at AMD get on the ball and get those speeds up.

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#44 Domobomb
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That patch is optional, so you don't need that performance hit. I'll definately be grabbing a new phenom later on this year. I'm hoping they release a BE 9900. I'd jump on it. I just couldn't pass up on the Boxing Day deal I got for my 9500.
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#45 eva89
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i like amd cos its cheaper however phenom disappoint me which i end up not getting it.
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#46 X360PS3AMD05
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LOL, i should have said whoever gives me more GHZ and IPC for my money :lol: Why do people add superchargers to their 454 when a Toyota Camry is perfectly fine.
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#47 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"] ...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Threesixtyci

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

...and what does that have to do with the topic at hand? :roll:


[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Domobomb

That would be AMD ATM.

that depends on what price range..

Everything up to, and including the quads. Pretty much every AMD CPU is a better value against its Intel counterpart. There are a few exceptions though, like the Phenom 9600, which is $60 more then the 9500 for .1GHz.

You're starting to green with fanboyism.

Care to give examples on all fronts where AMD offers better value for money? I know that AMD offers exceptional value on the low end market (e.g. 4000+), where Intel shoots itself in the foot by cutting L2 cache density to very low levels.

On the dual core front, AMD can only compete up to the Core 2 Duo E6750, before the 6400+ gets completely outperformed by the E6850, E8190, E8200, E8400 and E8500. Price wise, AMD offers EQUAL value for money (up to the E6750 vs 6400+) here and there compared to Intel, but one could argue that the higher power consumption of AMD CPU's and the lack of a HSF with BE CPU's pushes them out of competition in some cases.

On the quad core front, AMD is hardly competitive. No AMD Phenom X4 CPU can outperform or match the Q6600, let alone the Q9300, Q9450 or Q9550. BUT, it should be noted that the 9500 X4 offers good value for money for those wanting to get into multithreaded apps like 3D rendering.

I'm not going to include Extreme Edition or Skulltrail CPU setups, as they don't offer good value for money (well, actually, Skulltrail would be a dream for digital media content creators). But the fact is that AMD is lacking on the CPU halo front.

Phenom needs to scale to higher clock speeds (3.2GHz+), but it looks like that won't happen on AMD's 65nm process. That, or the architecture itself isn't efficient enough in comparison to Core 2.

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#48 Domobomb
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]

[QUOTE="Wesker776"] ...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Wesker776

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

...and what does that have to do with the topic at hand? :roll:


[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Domobomb

That would be AMD ATM.

that depends on what price range..

Everything up to, and including the quads. Pretty much every AMD CPU is a better value against its Intel counterpart. There are a few exceptions though, like the Phenom 9600, which is $60 more then the 9500 for .1GHz.

You're starting to green with fanboyism.

Care to give examples on all fronts where AMD offers better value for money? I know that AMD offers exceptional value on the low end market (e.g. 4000+), where Intel shoots itself in the foot by cutting L2 cache density to very low levels.

On the dual core front, AMD can only compete up to the Core 2 Duo E6750, before the 6400+ gets completely outperformed by the E6850, E8190, E8200, E8400 and E8500. Price wise, AMD offers EQUAL value for money (up to the E6750 vs 6400+) here and there compared to Intel, but one could argue that the higher power consumption of AMD CPU's and the lack of a HSF with BE CPU's pushes them out of competition in some cases.

On the quad core front, AMD is hardly competitive. No AMD Phenom X4 CPU can outperform or match the Q6600, let alone the Q9300, Q9450 or Q9550. BUT, it should be noted that the 9500 X4 offers good value for money for those wanting to get into multithreaded apps like 3D rendering.

I'm not going to include Extreme Edition or Skulltrail CPU setups, as they don't offer good value for money (well, actually, Skulltrail would be a dream for digital media content creators). But the fact is that AMD is lacking on the CPU halo front.

Phenom needs to scale to higher clock speeds (3.2GHz+), but it looks like that won't happen on AMD's 65nm process. That, or the architecture itself isn't efficient enough in comparison to Core 2.

No, you're wrong. AMD is the better value. a 6000+ goes for $160 where the 6750 goes for $200. They perform about the same, but AMD costs way less. A $160 intel would be the e6550, and the 6000+ out does that. AMD is the better value.

There's no question that AMD doesn't have an offering to compete with the Wolfdale, or the higher end Core Duos, but that's not what was being discussed.

Also, your bit about the Quads is incorrect. Phenom performs roughly equal to a Q6600. I think there's about 10% difference in synthetic benchmarking.

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[QUOTE="blackacidevl"]I wouldnt suggest the Phenom CPUs to anyone for a couple of months, spoke to an AMD rep and was informed that peolpe should hold out on those for a few weeks because of a possible flaw in the CPU.Domobomb

You spoke to an AMD rep and he suggested against buying his CPUs? Right...

The TLB erratum occurrs in virtualization, and is very rare to come across in normal use. It's already been fixed, I believe. Phenoms are awesome.

They still dont overclock very good.

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[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]

[QUOTE="Wesker776"] ...in a PC hardware forum.

Not everything is limited to games here.

Domobomb

Hmm... a HD3870 in crossfire mode? I suppose you got that setup just for word processing or video editing, huh.

...and what does that have to do with the topic at hand? :roll:


[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Domobomb"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Whoever gives me more for my money.Domobomb

That would be AMD ATM.

that depends on what price range..

Everything up to, and including the quads. Pretty much every AMD CPU is a better value against its Intel counterpart. There are a few exceptions though, like the Phenom 9600, which is $60 more then the 9500 for .1GHz.

You're starting to green with fanboyism.

Care to give examples on all fronts where AMD offers better value for money? I know that AMD offers exceptional value on the low end market (e.g. 4000+), where Intel shoots itself in the foot by cutting L2 cache density to very low levels.

On the dual core front, AMD can only compete up to the Core 2 Duo E6750, before the 6400+ gets completely outperformed by the E6850, E8190, E8200, E8400 and E8500. Price wise, AMD offers EQUAL value for money (up to the E6750 vs 6400+) here and there compared to Intel, but one could argue that the higher power consumption of AMD CPU's and the lack of a HSF with BE CPU's pushes them out of competition in some cases.

On the quad core front, AMD is hardly competitive. No AMD Phenom X4 CPU can outperform or match the Q6600, let alone the Q9300, Q9450 or Q9550. BUT, it should be noted that the 9500 X4 offers good value for money for those wanting to get into multithreaded apps like 3D rendering.

I'm not going to include Extreme Edition or Skulltrail CPU setups, as they don't offer good value for money (well, actually, Skulltrail would be a dream for digital media content creators). But the fact is that AMD is lacking on the CPU halo front.

Phenom needs to scale to higher clock speeds (3.2GHz+), but it looks like that won't happen on AMD's 65nm process. That, or the architecture itself isn't efficient enough in comparison to Core 2.

No, you're wrong. AMD is the better value. a 6000+ goes for $160 where the 6750 goes for $200. They perform about the same, but AMD costs way less. A $160 intel would be the e6550, and the 6000+ out does that. AMD is the better value.

There's no question that AMD doesn't have an offering to compete with the Wolfdale, or the higher end Core Duos, but that's not what was being discussed.

Also, your bit about the Quads is incorrect. Phenom performs roughly equal to a Q6600. I think there's about 10% difference in synthetic benchmarking.

Source:
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout.html

That doesn't include E6750, but here's a few that do:

Source:
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale.html

There's also power consumption that you should pay attention too (someone has to pay the electricity bill):


The 6400+ is no match for the E6750. Further, the 6000+ doesn't outperform the E6550, as you say it does--the 6000+ is 200 MHz slower than the 6400+, while the E6550 is 333 MHz slower than the E6750--the difference of 133MHz isn't enough for the 6000+ the overtake the E6550.

Further, pricing isn't as drastic as you make it out to be. A quick price search on techreport shows the E6750 only $20 more than the 6400+, using minimum pricing.

Further, we can't ignore Wolfdale. It's on the market, people can buy it and it's performance is very impressive. It even puts existing 65nm Core 2's to shame.

Phenom X4, even 200 MHz faster than Core 2 Quad, can't even match or outperform it consistently. I don't see how it's competitive:

...then there's the power bill, again:

Source:

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom.html