AMD Phenom X4

Anandtech's full preview (thanks to wklzip for notifying the members of the Custom Built PC Union):

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153&p=1

I'm not going to say "I told you so!", and I don't want this topic to turn into a flame war. Take the results as you will, but keep crap out of this topic.

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Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. Baselerd

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. LordEC911

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. X360PS3AMD05

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

LOL.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. X360PS3AMD05

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

He said GTX/ULTRA SLI for 20-30% less in price.

Also, the power requirements of 4 way CrossFireX using HD3850/70 aren't that far off from GTX/ULTRA SLi. Each HD3850/70 card consumes between 90-105w, while each GTX/ULTRA consumes close to 200w. So 4 way CrossFireX with HD3850/70 cards consume roughly the same power as 2 GTX/ULTRA cards. Not as "nuclear" as you make it out to be.

Also, the 8800 GT can't do quad SLi, let alone tri SLi. Further, the price you pay for 8800 GT SLi is nearly enough to buy HD3850 quad CrossFireX.

I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... bluebusiness

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

This is unfortunate..AMD has an excellent new chipset, a great new GPU line, and a wonderful new overclocking tool..but their newest CPUs aren't what was hoped for, one part of the tripod is damaged.

Hopefully the ATI side of DAAMIT can take up the slack, but there are some real issues..AMD needs to get to 45nm ASAP and they need to figure out how to scale the Phenoms better.

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... Wesker776

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

Things aren't looking for for AMD on the processor side of things. They're going to need another ace up their sleeve to weather this next year comfortably.RayvinAzn

If they are even capable of making another ace, looking how things are for AMD.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. Wesker776

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

He said GTX/ULTRA SLI for 20-30% less in price.

Also, the power requirements of 4 way CrossFireX using HD3850/70 aren't that far off from GTX/ULTRA SLi. Each HD3850/70 card consumes between 90-105w, while each GTX/ULTRA consumes close to 200w. So 4 way CrossFireX with HD3850/70 cards consume roughly the same power as 2 GTX/ULTRA cards. Not as "nuclear" as you make it out to be.

Also, the 8800 GT can't do quad SLi, let alone tri SLi. Further, the price you pay for 8800 GT SLi is nearly enough to buy HD3850 quad CrossFireX.

Then there are also drivers hmm. I remember that 4x7800GTX wasnt even that faster then 7800 GTX SLI. And drivers were fault.

This is unfortunate..AMD has an excellent new chipset, a great new GPU line, and a wonderful new overclocking tool..but their newest CPUs aren't what was hoped for, one part of the tripod is damaged.

Hopefully the ATI side of DAAMIT can take up the slack, but there are some real issues..AMD needs to get to 45nm ASAP and they need to figure out how to scale the Phenoms better.

RichterBelmont7

They indeed do have "great new GPU line" :roll:

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... bluebusiness

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

I'm not trying to aggrevate you, I wanted to inform you about CPU's.

I posted Barcelona (server version of Phenom, basically) reviews from credible sites, telling everyone that they shouldn't get their hopes too high.

The problem here is that you take the things I say as opinion, and not as fact (when I clearly back up my statements with links to credible sources). If you took all of this as a highly personal issue, then that wasn't my intention. I've seen people come and go on these forums, giving wrong advice to those who don't know much about tech news and whatnot, and I merely aim to amend these inaccuracies.

What happened the last time the gimmick of four cards was introduced? Driver support was nil and it was a waste of money. I know because someone on another forum is rich and actually bought them. If performance isn't doubled with SLI/xfire, 4 cards will be crippled.X360PS3AMD05

What is your problem?
You don't like keeping up with the news but still like to give your opinion, that is wrong?

AMD has shown QuadFire working quite a few times.
The drivers work, the cards are out and so are the motherboards, the CPUs were just released so we will soon be seeing if it actually works for us consumers.

AMD is stating about a 3.2-3.4x performance increase with QuadFire, I forgot the exact number.

Edit- BTW there are still a few kinks/problems to be worked out in Phenom.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... bluebusiness

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

Wesker is always trying to "educate" people in the PC Hardware, he never intends to flame anyone. That is how you take his point of view.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Baselerd"]Also, I don't think anyone really cares about the spider platform. I could be wrong though, but 4 way Xfire seems a little stupid. Wesker776

Faster than GTX/Ultra SLI for about 20-30% less?
How is that stupid?

He said GTX/ULTRA SLI for 20-30% less in price.

Also, the power requirements of 4 way CrossFireX using HD3850/70 aren't that far off from GTX/ULTRA SLi. Each HD3850/70 card consumes between 90-105w, while each GTX/ULTRA consumes close to 200w. So 4 way CrossFireX with HD3850/70 cards consume roughly the same power as 2 GTX/ULTRA cards. Not as "nuclear" as you make it out to be.

Also, the 8800 GT can't do quad SLi, let alone tri SLi. Further, the price you pay for 8800 GT SLi is nearly enough to buy HD3850 quad CrossFireX.

Yes, execpt for crysis what games do i need 4gpu?

Yes, execpt for crysis what games do i need 4gpu?

Bebi_vegeta

Future games.

You dont seem to like hardware.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yes, execpt for crysis what games do i need 4gpu?

wklzip

Future games.

You dont seem to like hardware.

futur games... ever heard of futur hardware?

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]What happened the last time the gimmick of four cards was introduced? Driver support was nil and it was a waste of money. I know because someone on another forum is rich and actually bought them. If performance isn't doubled with SLI/xfire, 4 cards will be crippled.LordEC911

What is your problem?
You don't like keeping up with the news but still like to give your opinion, that is wrong?

AMD has shown QuadFire working quite a few times.
The drivers work, the cards are out and so are the motherboards, the CPUs were just released so we will soon be seeing if it actually works for us consumers.

AMD is stating about a 3.2-3.4x performance increase with QuadFire, I forgot the exact number.

Edit- BTW there are still a few kinks/problems to be worked out in Phenom.

I think that is optimistic on AMD's part. Time will tell, but they also said (I can't find my reference, so don't ask) that the phenom would be faster than core 2 on a per clock basis. I have a hard time believing that quad xfire would scale that well. I mean, look how regular dual card setups scale.

If AMD can really nail the drivers down that would be great, but I'm skeptical. (although their xfire drivers are substantially better than the SLI drivers currently -with regard to the hd2900xt). However, the next NVIDIA enthusiast cards are bound to come out some time soon, which will probably invalidate quad xfire as a good alternative.

And AMD does seem somewhat screwed right now in the cpu department... Intel's coming around the corner with a full range of penryn quad cores eventually, and nehalem in 2008. It's going to be some tough going. Let me just say that I'm all for AMD though.

[QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yes, execpt for crysis what games do i need 4gpu?

Bebi_vegeta

Future games.

You dont seem to like hardware.

futur games... ever heard of futur hardware?

And you dont seem to like future hardware also

Why dont you get happy about hardware improvement at all

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Yes, execpt for crysis what games do i need 4gpu?

wklzip

Future games.

You dont seem to like hardware.

futur games... ever heard of futur hardware?

And you dont seem to like future hardware also

Why dont you get happy about hardware improvement at all

I just said ever heard of futur hardware !!!

Meaning the new generation of cards from nvidia & ati will probably be enough for futur gaming.

As for now, there is no need.

I just said ever heard of futur hardware !!!

Meaning the new generation of cards from nvidia & ati will probably be enough for futur gaming.

As for now, there is no need.

Bebi_vegeta

Probably, but remember that some people always like overkill.

damn, come on amd we need you guys to keep strong, I dont want the old days of intel charging outrageous prices for crappy products to come back. filmography

Hell, that is how a hardware enthusiast sounds like :)

They indeed do have "great new GPU line" :roll:

domke13

Yes, yes they do..even if its technically the same architecture as the HD2900XT and ilk they have virtually equivalent performance with the 8800GT for nearly $100 less on average and they are selling out all over the place.

[QUOTE="domke13"]

They indeed do have "great new GPU line" :roll:

RichterBelmont7

Yes, yes they do..even if its technically the same architecture as the HD2900XT and ilk they have virtually equivalent performance with the 8800GT for nearly $100 less on average and they are selling out all over the place.

The performance is about 15% slower and it's generally only $40-$50 more expensive.

Let AMD get a revision in.9mmSpliff

I hope it does and it should do fast, because Nehalem its coming and that thing must be almost unstoppable.

well dont forget AMD is releasing its 8 core in Q3 2008 and possibly a 6 core. AMD will compete with Core 2 Duo in sales I think. The one thing is they will have a better price point with its 3 core CPU, which could make a ton of sales for them, a budget CPU, they have to start with a higher price point then Intel right off the bat. They will lower them, but can you imagine how inexpensive the X2 will be since we will have a X3....hahahaha, then single cores will be dirt cheap. AMD has that Sub $300 market cornered if you ask me.

well dont forget AMD is releasing its 8 core in Q3 2008 and possibly a 6 core. AMD will compete with Core 2 Duo in sales I think. The one thing is they will have a better price point with its 3 core CPU, which could make a ton of sales for them, a budget CPU, they have to start with a higher price point then Intel right off the bat. They will lower them, but can you imagine how inexpensive the X2 will be since we will have a X3....hahahaha, then single cores will be dirt cheap. AMD has that Sub $300 market cornered if you ask me.

9mmSpliff

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]

well dont forget AMD is releasing its 8 core in Q3 2008 and possibly a 6 core. AMD will compete with Core 2 Duo in sales I think. The one thing is they will have a better price point with its 3 core CPU, which could make a ton of sales for them, a budget CPU, they have to start with a higher price point then Intel right off the bat. They will lower them, but can you imagine how inexpensive the X2 will be since we will have a X3....hahahaha, then single cores will be dirt cheap. AMD has that Sub $300 market cornered if you ask me.

Bebi_vegeta

I agree, still the Q6600 is the best bang for the buck for all it offers.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... bluebusiness

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"][QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]I think AMD needs get moving fast because i am really pissed right now. I want a really fast quad core CPU and this is not fast at all... Also i think making a new line of triple cores is stupid. Ok its innovative but is it that necessary? I mean come on... Mr_NoName111

Yet you were flaming me a week ago and accusing me of being an Intel fanboy for posting Barcelona benchmarks.

The tri cores are not stupid, they're quite smart actually. If there's one "dead" core on a Phenom/Barcelona die, AMD can just disable it and package the CPU as a tri core.

Troll? Me? :lol:

Correcting fanboyism is trolling is it? :lol: Using credible sources, benchmarks and logic is what a troll uses, is it?

I've also noticed that wesker loves to troll these forums.Mr_NoName111

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