And The Most Pirated Game of 2011 Is....

Honestly just because it was torrented that many times doesn't mean all those millions actually installed and played it. A bunch probably didn't do anything with the files. Anyone ever think of that?

Honestly just because it was torrented that many times doesn't mean all those millions actually installed and played it. A bunch probably didn't do anything with the files. Anyone ever think of that?

Masenkoe

And what's ur point?

To download it illegally still hurts the devs and elevates the pirated numbers (even if they didnt do anything with the files)

I went to this shop and stole a TV... I never actually watched the TV or plugged it in, so does that make it correct?

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

Honestly just because it was torrented that many times doesn't mean all those millions actually installed and played it. A bunch probably didn't do anything with the files. Anyone ever think of that?

FelipeInside

And what's ur point?

To download it illegally still hurts the devs and elevates the pirated numbers (even if they didnt do anything with the files)

I went to this shop and stole a TV... I never actually watched the TV or plugged it in, so does that make it correct?

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

Honestly just because it was torrented that many times doesn't mean all those millions actually installed and played it. A bunch probably didn't do anything with the files. Anyone ever think of that?

FelipeInside

And what's ur point?

To download it illegally still hurts the devs and elevates the pirated numbers (even if they didnt do anything with the files)

I went to this shop and stole a TV... I never actually watched the TV or plugged it in, so does that make it correct?

I can barely resist pointing out that making a copy is not the same as stealing something, which by the way is not an argument about the legality of the act.

Futhermore, why would you download 4-13GB file just to leave it sitting there on your hard drive? Seems like a senseless argument that wasn't well thought about before you pressed "Submit".

SystemsGO

Today I uninstalled a bunch of Steam games I don't remember buying but which were sitting on my HDD since 2010, eating about 22GB.

Not sure what that means.

That's because crysis 2 isn't worth buying.

NailedGR

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

That's because crysis 2 isn't worth buying.

Makari

I thought Crysis 2 ruled personally. It was actually one of the few games I've personally enjoyed this year.

I can barely resist pointing out that making a copy is not the same as stealing something, which by the way is not an argument about the legality of the act.

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

Futhermore, why would you download 4-13GB file just to leave it sitting there on your hard drive? Seems like a senseless argument that wasn't well thought about before you pressed "Submit".

Baranga

Today I uninstalled a bunch of Steam games I don't remember buying but which were sitting on my HDD since 2010, eating about 22GB.

Not sure what that means.

I've done that same thing more times than I wish to admit.

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

To me used games sells and used car sells are different. If you steal a car you get in trouble. If you say "ya I stole that car" you get arrested and charged with theft. If you steal a car from in front of someones house or from a dealership it is considered wrong, people will look down on you, and you can go to jail. If you download a game the punishment will not be the same. If I say "I downloaded Crysis 2 without paying" chances are your not going to get in trouble. Someon on my face book who bought skyrim on 360 posted how she was downloading skyrim on a torrent site because she wanted to have it for pc too and even posted the link to the torrent site. I'm no law expert but if Bethesta or the police saw the post they couldn't arrest her right? But if she posted "I stole this car" and the owner or the cops saw it then she would be arrested. So thats why I agree that used games sells are worse then piracy. If anything the developers should get a portion of the sale plus with cars its something more people need and people will always be buying new cars to look cool and because they want something that runs better. With games there are people who have no problem buying used games only. As for the argument that pirates will buy if you show them its worth their money or show them it is sometihng they will want to spend their money on, that always isn't the case. I beleive that majority of pirates will still pirate no matter what and come up with any excuse no matter how stupid. Case in point is the new shonen jump alpha. When that launches later this month its only going to be 2 weeks behind the japanese release and its going to have one piece, naruto and bleach for only 63 cents an issue. Now to me thats a really good deal and even though I buy the one piece grahpic novels when they come out, I'm stopping reading the scans because I now have a legal way to read the current chapters of one piece. Now I bet you anything majority of the people who are pirating the one piece, naruto, and bleach manga now are still going to do so, why? They are going to say things such as "its 2 weeks behind the japanese release and I don't want to wait, I can't afford 63 cents a week, I don't like viz's translations, it should be free, if I was in japan I could go into a manga shop and read it free, i don't like the format, the sound effects aren't in katakana, etc" So thats why I hold entertainment to a different standard than cars.

FelipeInside

Copying =/= stealing. It's sad that some people still haven't figured out this simple concept after all this time.KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Copying =/= stealing. It's sad that some people still haven't figured out this simple concept after all this time.FelipeInside

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Copying =/= stealing. It's sad that some people still haven't figured out this simple concept after all this time.Baranga

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

That's because crysis 2 isn't worth buying.

SystemsGO

I thought Crysis 2 ruled personally. It was actually one of the few games I've personally enjoyed this year.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] That's too general. What do you mean by copying? "I grabbed a copy at the local EB Games" = correct and legal "I grabbed a copy by downloading an ILLEGAL copy" = illegal piratingFelipeInside

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

Totally agree with you here Felipe...

I cant understand how some people can write and think the BS that they write and still live with themselves...

How can u say that copying=/= stealing(all of this in the game piracy context)?????

Did u ever heard of intellectual property?Yeah that "copyright" u see it on every game dvd...

It is not mandatory for the "property" you own/have to be palpable,perceptible,tangible...Stealing of ideas...of methods...of concepts...of music/movies/games is stealing of "intellectual property"...

It dosent matter how you do it..."Copying" is a method/form of stealing...We are not discussing the methods through which you can steal a game...we are talking about the stealing itself

I went to this shop and stole a TV... I never actually watched the TV or plugged it in, so does that make it correct?

FelipeInside

I went to the shop and copied a TV. They didn't have any protection or laws against copying it so nothing happened.

That's too general. What do you mean by copying? "I grabbed a copy at the local EB Games" = correct and legal "I grabbed a copy by downloading an ILLEGAL copy" = illegal piratingFelipeInside

Really? You couldn't understand that? He's talking about the act, not the object.

"I cant understand how some people can write and think the BS that they write and still live with themselves..." I'll answer that: Gives them a reason (which they believe is valid) to keep doing it. Irony is, that if u need a reason, then it's wrong in the first place.FelipeInside

That statement is incredibly easy to turn around and fire it right back.

You can't specifically say copying is stealing, because not all digital rights managements and laws work the same.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] That's too general. What do you mean by copying? "I grabbed a copy at the local EB Games" = correct and legal "I grabbed a copy by downloading an ILLEGAL copy" = illegal piratingFelipeInside

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

bonafidetk

I don't know wy but I just do not care. For one i do not know or care about the persons that make these games so i losse no sleep stealing frome them but that is just me

At least people are buying hardware good enough for Crysis 2, it's a start :P

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

Pff, semantics. You know what he means:P

bonafidetk

Felipe, I can't believe you downloaded Fifa 12 3.39 million times. :Pflipin_jackass

I thought cd projekt said the Witcher 2 was pirated 4.5 million times? That's more than Crysis 2.

sleepingzzz

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

I thought cd projekt said the Witcher 2 was pirated 4.5 million times? That's more than Crysis 2.

yellosnolvr

For console games, reselling the game is no different from selling any second hand item. The DVD is the game. Just like the lawnmower is a lawnmower, for example. When the original owner sells the game, he no longer has it to play anymore. Just like the owner of a lawnmower gives up his ability to mow his lawn with it, upon selling it. Now, if the original owner of the game makes a copy so he can play later, and sells the original, that's a different story altogether.

I miss the days when PC games were represented by physical floppy disks, CDs, or even DVDs, instead of data on a publisher's online account system. Stuff you depend on the internet to get seems so impersonal, so far away. It's like we don't own anything, anymore.

HAWX 2 was never cracked.

About two copies of this game were sold on PC.

UbiDRM works, but I'm not sure its effects are worth it for the company.

Baranga

I'd love to meet the other person who bought this game.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I don't. If by copying you mean downloading an illegal copy of a torrent site, then it's STEALING, plain and simple. People can find excuses all they want to warrant their own actions, but in the end u are: 1- not paying for something that costs money 2- getting it from somewhere illegalFelipeInside

And this whole notion that if pirating wasn't possible, people would buy the product is also hard to prove. It may be true that some people would buy a game if they couldn't pirate it, but who's to say that the number would be high or even significant? Maybe it's only a small percentage of pirates that would only buy a product if pirating wasn't an option.

For example, I like music, but if I actually HAD to pay 10-20 dollars for a damn CD, you could count me out. In total, I have probably bought 5 CDs, and even though I enjoyed them, I feel as if the money I spent was wasted. If I could go back in time and just pirate them instead, I would. But I guess if CDs only cost like a dollar, then I would probably buy them. One can only dream, though.

I don't know. There are things I buy that I feel good about, and then there are things that I don't, for some reason. And there's a lot more people who think this way. Some people out there feel the same way about video games, movies and other software.

It's not fair. It's not right. But that's life

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

HAWX 2 was never cracked.

About two copies of this game were sold on PC.

UbiDRM works, but I'm not sure its effects are worth it for the company.

killeer2007

I'd love to meet the other person who bought this game.

Hehehe...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="bonafidetk"] Since you like to get stuck on semantics let me tell you downloading an illegal copy of a game is not stealing at all. Its copyright infringement. For something to be stolen, someone has to lose something. When something is copied, no one loses anything. Thats why its copyright infringement.

ColdExistence

And this whole notion that if pirating wasn't possible, people would buy the product is also hard to prove. It may be true that some people would buy a game if they couldn't pirate it, but who's to say that the number would be high or even significant? Maybe it's only a small percentage of pirates that would only buy a product if pirating wasn't an option.

For example, I like music, but if I actually HAD to pay 10-20 dollars for a damn CD, you could count me out. In total, I have probably bought 5 CDs, and even though I enjoyed them, I feel as if the money I spent was wasted. If I could go back in time and just pirate them instead, I would. But I guess if CDs only cost like a dollar, then I would probably buy them. One can only dream, though.

I don't know. There are things I buy that I feel good about, and then there are things that I don't, for some reason. And there's a lot more people who think this way. Some people out there feel the same way about video games, movies and other software.

It's not fair. It's not right. But that's life

[QUOTE="killeer2007"]

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

HAWX 2 was never cracked.

About two copies of this game were sold on PC.

UbiDRM works, but I'm not sure its effects are worth it for the company.

rhazzy

I'd love to meet the other person who bought this game.

Hehehe...

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Ok, I understand that, but aren't you stealing "intellectual property"? "When something is copied, no one loses anything." Doesn't the devs POTENTIALLY loose a sale?FelipeInside

And this whole notion that if pirating wasn't possible, people would buy the product is also hard to prove. It may be true that some people would buy a game if they couldn't pirate it, but who's to say that the number would be high or even significant? Maybe it's only a small percentage of pirates that would only buy a product if pirating wasn't an option.

For example, I like music, but if I actually HAD to pay 10-20 dollars for a damn CD, you could count me out. In total, I have probably bought 5 CDs, and even though I enjoyed them, I feel as if the money I spent was wasted. If I could go back in time and just pirate them instead, I would. But I guess if CDs only cost like a dollar, then I would probably buy them. One can only dream, though.

I don't know. There are things I buy that I feel good about, and then there are things that I don't, for some reason. And there's a lot more people who think this way. Some people out there feel the same way about video games, movies and other software.

It's not fair. It's not right. But that's life

And let's say, hyoptheticaly, pirating wasn't possible. How much you want to bet that many, many of the people would not buy a game full price? They'd probably either wait till it's dirt cheap (less than 10 dollars) or buy it second hand for less OR they wouldn't buy it at all.

I personally don't think there would be a significant change in the number of sales, with or without piracy. The most significance you'll see is when the product is MOST affordable, hence why Steam is so damn successful.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]If it was never your intention to buy it, then it was never your intention to buy it, and it would never count as a lost game sale. An actual lost game sale would be something to the extent of planing on buying something, but then, after downloading and playing it, you decide, hey, I'm not going to buy this now. But it's pretty hard to prove that, don't you think?

And this whole notion that if pirating wasn't possible, people would buy the product is also hard to prove. It may be true that some people would buy a game if they couldn't pirate it, but who's to say that the number would be high or even significant? Maybe it's only a small percentage of pirates that would only buy a product if pirating wasn't an option.

For example, I like music, but if I actually HAD to pay 10-20 dollars for a damn CD, you could count me out. In total, I have probably bought 5 CDs, and even though I enjoyed them, I feel as if the money I spent was wasted. If I could go back in time and just pirate them instead, I would. But I guess if CDs only cost like a dollar, then I would probably buy them. One can only dream, though.

I don't know. There are things I buy that I feel good about, and then there are things that I don't, for some reason. And there's a lot more people who think this way. Some people out there feel the same way about video games, movies and other software.

It's not fair. It's not right. But that's life

ColdExistence

And let's say, hyoptheticaly, pirating wasn't possible. How much you want to bet that many, many of the people would not buy a game full price? They'd probably either wait till it's dirt cheap (less than 10 dollars) or buy it second hand for less OR they wouldn't buy it at all.

I personally don't think there would be a significant change in the number of sales, with or without piracy. The most significance you'll see is when the product is MOST affordable, hence why Steam is so damn successful.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

HAWX 2 was never cracked.

About two copies of this game were sold on PC.

UbiDRM works, but I'm not sure its effects are worth it for the company.

killeer2007

I'd love to meet the other person who bought this game.