Anyone else looking forward to the first half of Crysis but not the second?

Now the developers recognised this in Far Cry; when the free roaming, merc killing stopped and the linear monster gunning started, the game really descended into the standard FPS fare.  Honestly I can't wait for Crysis. But I find myself looking forward to the early part of the game: sneaking around the jungle, picking off soldiers and using guerrilla tactics to take out enemy bases. I'm worried that the second half with the ice world and the aliens is going to be far fetched and uninteresting.  I guess I'm thinking it could be a bit like Half-Life when you went through to the alien world.

Anyone think the same or is it just me?

So it's not just me! I just realised today that I only watch the gameplay videos without aliens in them.

Oh well, the multiplayer will probably be awesome. Can you imagine sneaking around in that jungle seeing something move and then like 5 of you unleashing all of your ammo into the bushes and watching the dirt kick up and the trees fall.. wow!

i wont get this game coz my pc sucks, but i agree with u 2 just because i much preferred the start of farcry and the parts were u didnt fight the trijans (how ever u spell them)

In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!BounceDK

I know what you mean. Seems like a bit too much of a departure from reality. I mean, physics-wise its not possible to flick over a humvee even it you did have the strength - you'd have to be 10 times as heavy or you would just fly backwards, LOL!! Isac Newton must be turning in his grave!

Its funny that the crytek developers must have actually had to suspend the physics of the gameworld in this respect or make your game character weight 50 tonnes or something! 

Now the developers recognised this in Far Cry; when the free roaming, merc killing stopped and the linear monster gunning started, the game really descended into the standard FPS fare. Honestly I can't wait for Crysis. But I find myself looking forward to the early part of the game: sneaking around the jungle, picking off soldiers and using guerrilla tactics to take out enemy bases. I'm worried that the second half with the ice world and the aliens is going to be far fetched and uninteresting. I guess I'm thinking it could be a bit like Half-Life when you went through to the alien world.

Anyone think the same or is it just me?

tcarruth

[QUOTE="BounceDK"]In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!tcarruth

I know what you mean. Seems like a bit too much of a departure from reality. I mean, physics-wise its not possible to flick over a humvee even it you did have the strength - you'd have to be 10 times as heavy or you would just fly backwards, LOL!! Isac Newton must be turning in his grave!

Its funny that the crytek developers must have actually had to suspend the physics of the gameworld in this respect or make your game character weight 50 tonnes or something!

[QUOTE="tcarruth"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"]In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!trix5817

I know what you mean. Seems like a bit too much of a departure from reality. I mean, physics-wise its not possible to flick over a humvee even it you did have the strength - you'd have to be 10 times as heavy or you would just fly backwards, LOL!! Isac Newton must be turning in his grave!

Its funny that the crytek developers must have actually had to suspend the physics of the gameworld in this respect or make your game character weight 50 tonnes or something!

I'm 26. I have a PhD in mathematical modelling from Imperial College and I'm doing my post doc here. You might like to reconsider your statement. You don't have to weight 50 tons to punch a humvee. You need to weigh something like that to punch a humvee and it going flying into the air whilst you stand perfectly upright.

I believe they explained it by saying that you have some sort of an uber-strength suit on, which allows you to deploy things into orbit using nothing but your arms.

About as believable as a zero-point energy field manipulator, if you ask me.
dar_

right but it doesn't explain it! If you wound up a spring powerful enough to push over a car in your hand and put it up to a car and released it, the car would get a minor dent and you (ok you are intact due to your uber suit) would go flying backwards at about 100 miles per hour! You'd be fine because of your strong suite but unless it has a device that roots you immovably to the ground you ain't going to stay still unless you weight alot more than 85kgs!

[QUOTE="dar_"]I believe they explained it by saying that you have some sort of an uber-strength suit on, which allows you to deploy things into orbit using nothing but your arms.

About as believable as a zero-point energy field manipulator, if you ask me.
tcarruth

right but it doesn't explain it! If you wound up a spring powerful enough to push over a car in your hand and put it up to a car and released it, the car would get a minor dent and you (ok you are intact due to your uber suit) would go flying backwards at about 100 miles per hour! You'd be fine because of your strong suite but unless it has a device that roots you immovably to the ground you ain't going to stay still unless you weight alot more than 85kgs!

[QUOTE="tcarruth"]

[QUOTE="dar_"]I believe they explained it by saying that you have some sort of an uber-strength suit on, which allows you to deploy things into orbit using nothing but your arms.

About as believable as a zero-point energy field manipulator, if you ask me.
dar_

right but it doesn't explain it! If you wound up a spring powerful enough to push over a car in your hand and put it up to a car and released it, the car would get a minor dent and you (ok you are intact due to your uber suit) would go flying backwards at about 100 miles per hour! You'd be fine because of your strong suite but unless it has a device that roots you immovably to the ground you ain't going to stay still unless you weight alot more than 85kgs!

Ok you're right, I'm being pedantic! was only a small point! By the time you throw in Alien landings with ice planets its frankly mental to worry about nano suits.. I'll shut up now...!!

All games have BS physics.  Did you see the Myth Busters where they shot dummies at point blank range?  There is not a single gun in the world that makes a person fly backwards.  You would need to shoot someone with a howitzer to get them to fly backwards like people do in games and movies.  Even a shotgun at point blank range did not make the dummy move backwards at all. 

Like they pointed out for a gun to send the target flying backwards the gun would have to be so powerful that it would send the shooter flying the same distance backwards in the other direction.  And if the bullet penetrates the body at all it also wouldn’t work.  So maybe a howitzer shot at a person wear some ultra light, futuristic armor that would not allow the howitzer shell to penetrate at all would actually create the effect games like Fear etc show.

[QUOTE="dar_"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

[QUOTE="dar_"]I believe they explained it by saying that you have some sort of an uber-strength suit on, which allows you to deploy things into orbit using nothing but your arms.

About as believable as a zero-point energy field manipulator, if you ask me.
tcarruth

right but it doesn't explain it! If you wound up a spring powerful enough to push over a car in your hand and put it up to a car and released it, the car would get a minor dent and you (ok you are intact due to your uber suit) would go flying backwards at about 100 miles per hour! You'd be fine because of your strong suite but unless it has a device that roots you immovably to the ground you ain't going to stay still unless you weight alot more than 85kgs!

Ok you're right, I'm being pedantic! was only a small point! By the time you throw in Alien landings with ice planets its frankly mental to worry about nano suits.. I'll shut up now...!!

Acually i think this is a great topic. Its good to discuss the physics behind games. One of the better topics in these forums.SWIFFT

In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!BounceDK

Man, you are such a downer Bounce.  Every single post I see you in you are saying why something is wrong with something.

Is the glass half full or half empty, man?

[QUOTE="dar_"]I believe they explained it by saying that you have some sort of an uber-strength suit on, which allows you to deploy things into orbit using nothing but your arms.

About as believable as a zero-point energy field manipulator, if you ask me.
tcarruth

right but it doesn't explain it! If you wound up a spring powerful enough to push over a car in your hand and put it up to a car and released it, the car would get a minor dent and you (ok you are intact due to your uber suit) would go flying backwards at about 100 miles per hour! You'd be fine because of your strong suite but unless it has a device that roots you immovably to the ground you ain't going to stay still unless you weight alot more than 85kgs!

If you have your PhD you should know how to spell right?hybridmoments12

And people think I'm the nit picker!! 

I cant believe you guys are arguing over the realism.  The game has aliens, for pete's sake!

Also, where were you guys when FEAR came out (zero gravity ninjas) and all those other "unrealistic" games.

Four words for you: suspend your freaking disbelief!

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"]In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!tcarruth

I know what you mean. Seems like a bit too much of a departure from reality. I mean, physics-wise its not possible to flick over a humvee even it you did have the strength - you'd have to be 10 times as heavy or you would just fly backwards, LOL!! Isac Newton must be turning in his grave!

Its funny that the crytek developers must have actually had to suspend the physics of the gameworld in this respect or make your game character weight 50 tonnes or something!

I'm 26. I have a PhD in mathematical modelling from Imperial College and I'm doing my post doc here. You might like to reconsider your statement. You don't have to weight 50 tons to punch a humvee. You need to weigh something like that to punch a humvee and it going flying into the air whilst you stand perfectly upright.

No one seemed to have a problem with Master Chief flipping over his warthog.

Is the glass half full or half empty, man?

mrbojangles25

The way I see it, it depends on what you are doing. If you're pouring water into the glass, then it's half-full(since the intended result is to fill the glass). If you are drinking, or just letting it sit, the glass is half-empty, since the water is steadily evaporating and/or being consumed. Just my take on things.

anyway, back to the topic at hand, I personally don't care if a game shifts to zombie/alien/monster killing. I actually enjoyed the Xen part of Half-Life, but I always liked the puzzle solving bit anyways. I'm just looking forward to some frozen plant life shattering into a million pieces during an intense firefight. Even if it's a slideshow, it'll be pretty.

Now the developers recognised this in Far Cry; when the free roaming, merc killing stopped and the linear monster gunning started, the game really descended into the standard FPS fare. Honestly I can't wait for Crysis. But I find myself looking forward to the early part of the game: sneaking around the jungle, picking off soldiers and using guerrilla tactics to take out enemy bases. I'm worried that the second half with the ice world and the aliens is going to be far fetched and uninteresting. I guess I'm thinking it could be a bit like Half-Life when you went through to the alien world.

Anyone think the same or is it just me?

tcarruth

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Is the glass half full or half empty, man?

Mediocre_man90

The way I see it, it depends on what you are doing. If you're pouring water into the glass, then it's half-full(since the intended result is to fill the glass). If you are drinking, or just letting it sit, the glass is half-empty, since the water is steadily evaporating and/or being consumed. Just my take on things.

anyway, back to the topic at hand, I personally don't care if a game shifts to zombie/alien/monster killing. I actually enjoyed the Xen part of Half-Life, but I always liked the puzzle solving bit anyways. I'm just looking forward to some frozen plant life shattering into a million pieces during an intense firefight. Even if it's a slideshow, it'll be pretty.

Boy, you totally misinterpreted that phrase (or were you being sarcastic).  No biggy though.

But anyway, ya, like you I am one of the few people who actually enjoyed the Xen levels of Halflife.  I dont see why the alien areas wont be as enjoyable as the earlier parts of the game.  I enjoy developer's creativity; I thought the levels of Prey were one of the redeeming qualities, as the architecture was truly amazing and diverse.  I am definately looking foward to what the alien spaceship looks like, what the aliens look like (we havent seen anything "organic" yet as far as I know, just a giant mech and some smaller robot-looking things), and whatever else the developers add in those later levels.  At the least, the gameplay will change tempo if you were sneaking around in the beginning, you will problably have to run and gun, and thats a good thing imo.

btw, nice James Hetfield quote.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="tcarruth"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"]In Crysis you are Superman, you can leap from building to building, knock over cars with your bare hands etc ... Boooooorriiinng!tcarruth

I know what you mean. Seems like a bit too much of a departure from reality. I mean, physics-wise its not possible to flick over a humvee even it you did have the strength - you'd have to be 10 times as heavy or you would just fly backwards, LOL!! Isac Newton must be turning in his grave!

Its funny that the crytek developers must have actually had to suspend the physics of the gameworld in this respect or make your game character weight 50 tonnes or something!

I'm 26. I have a PhD in mathematical modelling from Imperial College and I'm doing my post doc here. You might like to reconsider your statement. You don't have to weight 50 tons to punch a humvee. You need to weigh something like that to punch a humvee and it going flying into the air whilst you stand perfectly upright.

All games have BS physics. Did you see the Myth Busters where they shot dummies at point blank range? There is not a single gun in the world that makes a person fly backwards. You would need to shoot someone with a howitzer to get them to fly backwards like people do in games and movies. Even a shotgun at point blank range did not make the dummy move backwards at all.

Like they pointed out for a gun to send the target flying backwards the gun would have to be so powerful that it would send the shooter flying the same distance backwards in the other direction. And if the bullet penetrates the body at all it also wouldn’t work. So maybe a howitzer shot at a person wear some ultra light, futuristic armor that would not allow the howitzer shell to penetrate at all would actually create the effect games like Fear etc show.

basersx

Or the projectile would have to be slow. The reason bullets don't knock people back is because the projectiles are moving to fast and thus have penetrated before they have caused any sort of push on the target. Obviously smaller targets(empty coke can) will get knocked when you shoot them because there light enough to be increase to the projectiles speed quick enough.

[QUOTE="basersx"]

All games have BS physics. Did you see the Myth Busters where they shot dummies at point blank range? There is not a single gun in the world that makes a person fly backwards. You would need to shoot someone with a howitzer to get them to fly backwards like people do in games and movies. Even a shotgun at point blank range did not make the dummy move backwards at all.

Like they pointed out for a gun to send the target flying backwards the gun would have to be so powerful that it would send the shooter flying the same distance backwards in the other direction. And if the bullet penetrates the body at all it also wouldn’t work. So maybe a howitzer shot at a person wear some ultra light, futuristic armor that would not allow the howitzer shell to penetrate at all would actually create the effect games like Fear etc show.

Platearmor_6

Or the projectile would have to be slow. The reason bullets don't knock people back is because the projectiles are moving to fast and thus have penetrated before they have caused any sort of push on the target. Obviously smaller targets(empty coke can) will get knocked when you shoot them because there light enough to be increase to the projectiles speed quick enough.

I guess the Mythbusters never shot a stag with a 12 guage slug at 60 feet.  That thing went FLYING!

All you guys talking about things falling over when they are shot- when you fire a gun, your body prepares for the shot and absorbs the shock from the gun. Then there is whiplash from the gun since that is part of the energy which you are fighting to control. Then, when someone is shot, they are not expecting the force to come and thus their body is not tensed and the force propels them in the direction that the bullet traveled. This can cause them to get knocked off their feet and lose balance and maybe fall over. In reality, it is quite realistic to be knocked over by a gun in combat, it just depends on the power. That military sniper rifle that shoots two miles will ALWAYS knock you flat (after ripping out all of your internal organs), while a whimpy little airsoft gun is only going to affect a small area. It is simple physics, my friends, simple physics.The_Frizz_Nizz

All you guys talking about things falling over when they are shot- when you fire a gun, your body prepares for the shot and absorbs the shock from the gun.  Then there is whiplash from the gun since that is part of the energy which you are fighting to control.  Then, when someone is shot, they are not expecting the force to come and thus their body is not tensed and the force propels them in the direction that the bullet traveled.  This can cause them to get knocked off their feet and lose balance and maybe fall over.  In reality, it is quite realistic to be knocked over by a gun in combat, it just depends on the power.  That military sniper rifle that shoots two miles will ALWAYS knock you flat (after ripping out all of your internal organs), while a whimpy little airsoft gun is only going to affect a small area.  It is simple physics, my friends, simple physics.The_Frizz_Nizz

Not to mention most guns, especially large caliber guns, come with muzzle breaks to dampen the shot for the shooter.  If youve ever seen the movie "Endless Summer 2," where they meet up with the safari hunter and they shoot that elephant rifle, I think you might change your mind concerning whether or not a gun will send something flying.

Good lord...you can suspend belief that a single man in a "power suit" is able to run around an island knocking off HOUNDREDS of soldiers, take machine gun fire and able to survive, ALIENS ARE INVADING, and the many other insane things happening in this game...and the thing about flipping over a Hum-Vee is bothering you?!?! Man...people are never happy. I really feel developers pain, no matter what they do, there is ALWAYS people who are going to complain about the silliest thing.

Its just a game...enjoy it for what it DOES have. Not to mention the game is not even out yet. So none of us have any idea how the 2nd half of the game will play out. It might be the best thing since sliced bread...who knows?

I have to agree with you on this one. Half Life started sucking the second you jumped to the alien world.Santas_Hitman

Main reason people hated the zen world was the jumping puzzles.

HL had aliens and human enemies through the entire game. In fact you fought aliens before the recon forces arrived.

I liked the mutants in Farcry. Added variety. You still spent much more of the time fighting mercs even later in the game.