Anyone excited by the Warhammer 40k MMO announcement?

Sadly enough Warhammer Online looks like a WoW clone in the gameplay movies they released. It was so dull to watch that I lost all the massive amounts of hope I built up since they started releasing Warhammer as PC games. I had high anticipation for this gmae but the past few MMORPGs to come out lately have failed; they all simply clone one another. The problem with the gaming industry today is they are so focused on making money that they forget how to make it in the first place. Games with devs talking to the people on their forums and in irc will more likely be successful even if not backed by millions of dollars in budget. The team working on the warhammer online title knows that the name Warhammer alone will rack in millions of users at launch. The first few months of gameplay will make them rich even if no one sticks around. Looks like its ging to come down to which do youl ike better, warhammer or warcraft, both games seem to play the same.

A bit more into the history of false promises. Many were expecting Vanguard to be the best and a new type of game. Its just another EQ clone though. They said there are flying mounts (said there are not "will be" and there are none) they said there is area based damage (haven't seen a hint of it). So many games promise new features and only deliver lies wrapped with a nifty graphics engine. There will come a day when graphics alone won't sell a game. I have played nearly every MMORPG out there since asheron's call and I have not seen a change in ANY of them up to this day except graphics.

So to answer your question....

Will I buy Warhammer online? Yes

Will it be the best game I ever played? Probably not

Will I continue to play dispite this? Maybe, since I am so fond of the warhammer universe in general

Will I expect anything new in warhammer online? No, I expect a WoW clone deceptively hidden under the utter joy that someone decided to make a warhammer MMO in the first place.

Kids if you want the best fantasy MMORPG out there, go EQ2. Want PVP? Go WoW. Want a mixture of the 2 that never seem to make it? Check out the MMORPG section of this site and draw from a hat.

But seeing as THQ is developping it, I'm positive the combat will be more exciting than most other MMOs like they did with their CoH and DoW games.
theking52

THQ didn't make those games.

i played Dawn of war about a year ago and i liked it and i really liked the originl game so i will be waiting...

THQ is a publisher, another company is developing and it's their first game...... so hopefully they'll have alot of kool ideas to make it different to the EQ clones and make it work.

Warhammer online developed by Mythic however looks to be DAOC2 with WOW graphics.

i'm just glad that Relic isn't developing a mmo. :)

i'm just glad that Relic isn't developing a mmo. :)

Jinroh_basic

  They are too busy working on Dawn of War 2, Homeworld 3, and a CoH expanision:lol:.

I hope it will be a MMOFPS with some elements from planetside but alot refined and alot more massive

and advanced..

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

i'm just glad that Relic isn't developing a mmo. :)

sSubZerOo

They are too busy working on Dawn of War 2, Homeworld 3, and a CoH expanision:lol:.

Another MMO to destroy PC... oh boy....Swiftstrike5

I think the Warhammer universe is nothing more than a derivative piece of crap with no personality of it's own so, no not really.BloodMist

uhh Bloodmist.. I didn't help but notice you have World of Warcraft emblem on there.. You do know Warcraft and Starcraft from that matter more or less is a carbon copy of Warhammer regular and 40k, not the other way around?  Warhammer is far older then those two series and they are far more common.  Not trying to defend one or the other, but it sure sounds like your acting like a lame fan boy

=[

uhh Bloodmist.. I didn't help but notice you have World of Warcraft emblem on there.. You do know Warcraft and Starcraft from that matter more or less is a carbon copy of Warhammer regular and 40k, not the other way around? Warhammer is far older then those two series and they are far more common. Not trying to defend one or the other, but it sure sounds like your acting like a lame fan boy

=[sSubZerOo

Yeah and Warhammer is just a ripoff of countless fantasy and sci-fi books and films.The difference between it and Warcraft and Starcraft and tons of other pieces of media in those genres is that Warhammer hasn't really done anything to put itself above being nothing more than a carbon copy.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]uhh Bloodmist.. I didn't help but notice you have World of Warcraft emblem on there.. You do know Warcraft and Starcraft from that matter more or less is a carbon copy of Warhammer regular and 40k, not the other way around? Warhammer is far older then those two series and they are far more common. Not trying to defend one or the other, but it sure sounds like your acting like a lame fan boy

=[BloodMist

Yeah and Warhammer is just a ripoff of countless fantasy and sci-fi books and films.The difference between it and Warcraft and Starcraft and tons of other pieces of media in those genres is that Warhammer hasn't really done anything to put itself above being nothing more than a carbon copy.

  I would tend to disagree Warhammer 40k (I have yet to play or read any books of the Warhammer), is by far one of the more unique universes out there.. I have yet to see or read of any universe as close to it at all.. Firstly man kind in the universe arn't considered the "good guys"  they are more a zealous and xenophobic group that runs by strict guidelines that Worships the emperor to protect them.. INfact this is the only way they can exist,  its more or less a representation of our worse dictatorships, communisms, monarchs etc etc ever.. Not just that but it has quite a few under tones of medieval fantasy..

   For instance atm I am readint he Space Wolves Omnibus, and the first book really has nothing to do with sci fi what so ever in the sense..  The main character is born on this vicious planet that is more or less a norse mythology setting and through out the book their lives are wrought with medieval things such as swords axes (not futuristic items), only later on does he finally see the space marines and he considers them gods.   From what I have read of both series of Warcraft and Warhammer 40k, I would take 40k any day.  The fantastic mix of fantasy and sci-fi make for some thing that I have YET to read or hear about what so ever in really any sci-fi or fantasies..   I respect your opinion, but it honestly sounds like your basing off of complete ignorance knowing only partially if nothing about at very least the Warhammer 40k Universe.

   Also I think the whole premise on Warcraft and Starcraft is relativly false.. Because in the end those 2 are carbon copies of the far older Warhammer not to mention they were made FAR FAR simpler...  From what I can tell you make it sound like Warhamemr stole from these, because in the end decent games for both kinds of series weren't released till far after Warcraft and Starcraft.  The Zerg for instance though unique is a EXACT carbon copy from the much older Warhammer 40k, and is considered one of the most unique ideas when it came to sci fi in a long time imo.

  And about the MMO, I think its a bad idea in the sense Warhammer 40k is just too complicated imo to give a representation that will do it justice.

I would tend to disagree Warhammer 40k (I have yet to play or read any books of the Warhammer), is by far one of the more unique universes out there.. I have yet to see or read of any universe as close to it at all.. Firstly man kind in the universe arn't considered the "good guys" they are more a zealous and xenophobic group that runs by strict guidelines that Worships the emperor to protect them.. INfact this is the only way they can exist, its more or less a representation of our worse dictatorships, communisms, monarchs etc etc ever.. Not just that but it has quite a few under tones of medieval fantasy..

See Starship Troopers

For instance atm I am readint he Space Wolves Omnibus, and the first book really has nothing to do with sci fi what so ever in the sense.. The main character is born on this vicious planet that is more or less a norse mythology setting and through out the book their lives are wrought with medieval things such as swords axes (not futuristic items), only later on does he finally see the space marines and he considers them gods.

See Conan, also Sargate SG1 has done the same thing except in a lot better way
sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I would tend to disagree Warhammer 40k (I have yet to play or read any books of the Warhammer), is by far one of the more unique universes out there.. I have yet to see or read of any universe as close to it at all.. Firstly man kind in the universe arn't considered the "good guys" they are more a zealous and xenophobic group that runs by strict guidelines that Worships the emperor to protect them.. INfact this is the only way they can exist, its more or less a representation of our worse dictatorships, communisms, monarchs etc etc ever.. Not just that but it has quite a few under tones of medieval fantasy..

See Starship Troopers

For instance atm I am readint he Space Wolves Omnibus, and the first book really has nothing to do with sci fi what so ever in the sense.. The main character is born on this vicious planet that is more or less a norse mythology setting and through out the book their lives are wrought with medieval things such as swords axes (not futuristic items), only later on does he finally see the space marines and he considers them gods.

See Conan, also Sargate SG1 has done the same thing except in a lot better way
BloodMist

  Uhhhhh.. Starship troopers is NOTHING I mean NOTHING like Warhammer 40k what so ever... Infact the one thing they had in similarity was the exo suit idea, thats all...  I also read that book, they had no "supreme" religion, they were NOT Xenophobic, infact they allied with another race in the book later on,  there were no paladin like leaders what so ever as zealous as the Space Marines.  The arachinid's were similar in nature but no where near as complex sense they were more insects, Tyranids were far more compex. Infact the author was trying to convey what the perfect society was when it came to government..  Conan? Funny Conan didn't have space ships, and Stargate SG1 isn't as old as Warhammer 40k..  As I said before it certainly sounds like you are basing this off complete misinformation, have you honestly read any of the books, or look into the universe it self?

[QUOTE="BloodMist"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]uhh Bloodmist.. I didn't help but notice you have World of Warcraft emblem on there.. You do know Warcraft and Starcraft from that matter more or less is a carbon copy of Warhammer regular and 40k, not the other way around? Warhammer is far older then those two series and they are far more common. Not trying to defend one or the other, but it sure sounds like your acting like a lame fan boy

=[sSubZerOo

Yeah and Warhammer is just a ripoff of countless fantasy and sci-fi books and films.The difference between it and Warcraft and Starcraft and tons of other pieces of media in those genres is that Warhammer hasn't really done anything to put itself above being nothing more than a carbon copy.

I would tend to disagree Warhammer 40k (I have yet to play or read any books of the Warhammer), is by far one of the more unique universes out there.. I have yet to see or read of any universe as close to it at all.. Firstly man kind in the universe arn't considered the "good guys" they are more a zealous and xenophobic group that runs by strict guidelines that Worships the emperor to protect them.. INfact this is the only way they can exist, its more or less a representation of our worse dictatorships, communisms, monarchs etc etc ever.. Not just that but it has quite a few under tones of medieval fantasy..

For instance atm I am readint he Space Wolves Omnibus, and the first book really has nothing to do with sci fi what so ever in the sense.. The main character is born on this vicious planet that is more or less a norse mythology setting and through out the book their lives are wrought with medieval things such as swords axes (not futuristic items), only later on does he finally see the space marines and he considers them gods. From what I have read of both series of Warcraft and Warhammer 40k, I would take 40k any day. The fantastic mix of fantasy and sci-fi make for some thing that I have YET to read or hear about what so ever in really any sci-fi or fantasies.. I respect your opinion, but it honestly sounds like your basing off of complete ignorance knowing only partially if nothing about at very least the Warhammer 40k Universe.

Also I think the whole premise on Warcraft and Starcraft is relativly false.. Because in the end those 2 are carbon copies of the far older Warhammer not to mention they were made FAR FAR simpler... From what I can tell you make it sound like Warhamemr stole from these, because in the end decent games for both kinds of series weren't released till far after Warcraft and Starcraft. The Zerg for instance though unique is a EXACT carbon copy from the much older Warhammer 40k, and is considered one of the most unique ideas when it came to sci fi in a long time imo.

And about the MMO, I think its a bad idea in the sense Warhammer 40k is just too complicated imo to give a representation that will do it justice.

Definitely!

[QUOTE="BloodMist"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I would tend to disagree Warhammer 40k (I have yet to play or read any books of the Warhammer), is by far one of the more unique universes out there.. I have yet to see or read of any universe as close to it at all.. Firstly man kind in the universe arn't considered the "good guys" they are more a zealous and xenophobic group that runs by strict guidelines that Worships the emperor to protect them.. INfact this is the only way they can exist, its more or less a representation of our worse dictatorships, communisms, monarchs etc etc ever.. Not just that but it has quite a few under tones of medieval fantasy..

See Starship Troopers

For instance atm I am readint he Space Wolves Omnibus, and the first book really has nothing to do with sci fi what so ever in the sense.. The main character is born on this vicious planet that is more or less a norse mythology setting and through out the book their lives are wrought with medieval things such as swords axes (not futuristic items), only later on does he finally see the space marines and he considers them gods.

See Conan, also Sargate SG1 has done the same thing except in a lot better way
sSubZerOo

  Uhhhhh.. Starship troopers is NOTHING I mean NOTHING like Warhammer 40k what so ever... Infact the one thing they had in similarity was the exo suit idea, thats all...  I also read that book, they had no "supreme" religion, they were NOT Xenophobic, infact they allied with another race in the book later on,  there were no paladin like leaders what so ever as zealous as the Space Marines.  The arachinid's were similar in nature but no where near as complex sense they were more insects, Tyranids were far more compex. Infact the author was trying to convey what the perfect society was when it came to government..  Conan? Funny Conan didn't have space ships, and Stargate SG1 isn't as old as Warhammer 40k..  As I said before it certainly sounds like you are basing this off complete misinformation, have you honestly read any of the books, or look into the universe it self?

I hope it will be a MMOFPS with some elements from planetside but alot refined and alot more massive

and advanced..

Burner866

No!Expect a WOW clone.ttomm1946

I'd seriously beg everyone who wants an MMOFPS to consider the RPG and character advancements that are absent in FP mode. You no longer see your armor, you can't interact with your environment that well, and FPS's will always be geared towards the fast reflexes of the BAWLS generation.

I'd prefer a TPS, for the following reasons:

Character presentation: Who would NOT want to see their Imperial Space Marine or Guardsmen, or Eldar Striking Scorpion, or Tau Fire Warrior etc kitted out with all of its weapons of war, medals and war tokens, iconography and runes, battle trophies, chapter/unit/clan/etc symbols, and so on? Why would you NOT want to see your toon rush into an enemy, use his awesome sword or axe or rifle butt, and just beat the snot out of the enemy with blood and sweat flying? You can't achieve that stuff with an FPS...Huxley is what you guys want.

Battlefield Interaction: Think Gears of War for this one. Crouch behind rubble, sprint across open ground and roll behind a fallen statue, duck behind cover after firing off a clip at the enemy in the building across from you, assault that heavy weapons team from behind after lobbing a grenade into their gun pit...what more can I say about that.

Transportation to and on the Battlefield: Rhino APCs filled with noble Marines, Falcon Grav Tanks with a deadly squad of Howling Banshees, Devilfish carrying a squad of Fire Warriors, and War Trukks with Orks grabbing on for dear life, all cruising around the battlefield delivering troops to hot spots and seizing valuable objectives. Star Wars Battlefront and the Battlefield series spring to mind here. Also, how awesome would it be to ride in on a Thunderhawk, being able to look around at the other Marines in your unit as they quietly recite their battle prayers, or go into a blood drunk rampage and yell out WAAAAGGGgghhh! with a bunch of Ork Boyz as you fall from the sky in a mini-Rokk.

Third person offers more of the MMO capabilities than first person does, though having a zoomable camera within the third person settings a la WoW or Battlefront or Guild Wars, or any other MMO for that matter, would cater to the FPS crowd without ruining the feel of the game. Actually, similar gameplay mechanics to Gears of War, wear you zoom in to fire, or looking over the shoulder down the barrel, and it becomes similar to FP view wouldn't be too far from what people may be wanting. Simply put though, noone plays FPS titles as though they were part of the simulated reality, but rather in order to win or frag or whatever. I think the 40k MMO should merit itself to players who strive to survive on the battlefield while remaining useful to their team.

FPSs lack some serious realism in allowing everyone to "shoot to kill" and jump, duck, and run til the cows come home. Fatigue plays a big part in battle, and a fatigue system would be interesting. Say allow for about 30-60 seconds of hear pounding action before you have to get behind some cover, regain your senses, take in your surroundings and then act accordingly. Nothing is worse than bunny hopping on the battlefields of the 41st millenium. Also, wounds and the disadvantages from taking a bullet to the leg or arm, or the dizzy-ing effects of a close proximity explosion, should cripple a player's ability to perform to his maximum capabilities unless he is attended to.

All of that being said, I'd be deeply hurt if Vigil decides to make an FPS MMO out of the 40k universe, because they'd be missing so many other gameplay elements that a TPS experience can provide. All I can think of is how boring and repetitive most FPS games are, especially when I look at Fire Warrior and much of a bust it was...

Feel free to comment, this is all just my (quite humble) opinion, and I'd be glad to debate it.

it would be better is based on necromunda

[QUOTE="ttomm1946"]No!Expect a WOW clone.sergio_afonso

Agree, Mythic/Dark Age of Camelot still has one of the best pvp/rvr systems around, I would expect nothing less with Warhammer

[QUOTE="sergio_afonso"][QUOTE="ttomm1946"]No!Expect a WOW clone.TenderBox

Agree, Mythic/Dark Age of Camelot still has one of the best pvp/rvr systems around, I would expect nothing less with Warhammer

I've only read about DaoC, and watched a few (very few) videos, so if this question is extremely stupid, I have an excuse :|

 Anyway, havinglarge RvR battles, won't it just result in a big zerg? I doubt there can be any cooperation and/or organization involved, considering the.. average intelligence of our fellow MMO player...

[QUOTE="theking52"]But seeing as THQ is developping it, I'm positive the combat will be more exciting than most other MMOs like they did with their CoH and DoW games.
Sushbag88

THQ didn't make those games.