Anyone with a x1950 or 7950 should be able to high/max crysis out tbh...

Ok well Crysis up until late last year was running on DX9 cards and looked AMAZING, so in theory my card should be able to run it quite well? I see the benchmarks between x1950xtx and 8800 and there isn't ALOT of difference in games, maybe 10-20FPS. So obviously having Crossfire and SLI is going to help but 1 card should be enough, might be ait low on the FPS. We've already seen Crysis running maxed out on the Dx9 cards.


The only difference between having a 8800 (or ati's dx10 card when it comes out) and the previous gen will be DX10 and Dx9, which if your not one of them people that can't stand not to have the latest in technology then it wont bother you because:

DX9 left DX10 right (to be fair the Dx9 screenshots were ot in HD where as the DX10 were):

None of the dx9 Nvidia cards can do hdr+aa.Cranler

noone likes hdr anyways

True that noone realy likes HDR but my EN7950GT CAN run HDR and AA at max with no lag. so i dunno what card you own...handag

 i like HDR since it's first appear in Far Cry:) 

what game can run HDR+AA with 7950 GT ?

OK the only Nvidia cards that can actually perform both HDR and Antialiasing are the 8 Series. Crysis is being built using the 8800gtx card.

Try playing Obilivion on a 7 series card and when you select anti with hdr it wont let you. Some games will alow the selection but still disables one or the other.

i have a radeon X1950 Pro Powercolour 512mb and it is a really nice card that is running all high end games at the moment without to much hastle, oblivion, fear and quak4 all look for nice with my card. I hope it will stick with the new generation as i only got it 2 weeks ago and wont be able to upgrade for a while. This card is great though ATi really done well

how would you know that?

[QUOTE="Cranler"]None of the dx9 Nvidia cards can do hdr+aa.Terrorantula

noone likes hdr anyways

Cant simply admit you forgot about that fact.

The 7950GT and the X1950XT should run Crysis a lot better in DX9 than the 8600GTS can run Crysis in DX10 (or DX9 for that matter)basersx

Interesting theory, sounds logical, but how would you support it?

[QUOTE="basersx"]The 7950GT and the X1950XT should run Crysis a lot better in DX9 than the 8600GTS can run Crysis in DX10 (or DX9 for that matter)Arcadius

Interesting theory, sounds logical, but how would you support it?

Mybe under the assumption that they'll be using the extra efficiciency of DX10 to add more visual effects so the dx10 cards would probably run about the same in either dx mode.

[QUOTE="basersx"]The 7950GT and the X1950XT should run Crysis a lot better in DX9 than the 8600GTS can run Crysis in DX10 (or DX9 for that matter)Arcadius

Interesting theory, sounds logical, but how would you support it?

Read this review, and the conclusion - http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/426/14/

"I'm extremely curious how a DX10 title like Crysis will perform on cards like these, and while DX10 performance might be a tad better I do not predict anything good. "

And this thread from the PC Hardware section "DirextX for dummies" - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25578950

"What I am trying to say is that there isn't anything revolutionary about directx (10). It doesn't automatically make your games look better. It just provides the developer the tools to create more complex graphics at the expense of higher hardware requirements."

You can't really max out unless you have a DX10 capable card.mouthforbathory

The only DX10 card that will max out Crysis in any decent res is the 8800GTX.  The 8600s and 8500s will not even play the game well in DX10 (or DX9) at all.  They don't have enough power.

Just like how a 6600 has the "ability" to run HDR, it can't actually run any games with HDR turned on because it does not have enough power too.  The 8500s and 8600s are just on the market to make money because they say "DX10" on the box.  But they will never be able to play any DX10 games very well at all. 

Even the Game spot review said they were disappointed with the 8600s and would not recommend them to people.

If you want DX10 get the 8800GTS or GTX.  If you can't afford one of those don't bother!

[QUOTE="Arcadius"]

[QUOTE="basersx"]The 7950GT and the X1950XT should run Crysis a lot better in DX9 than the 8600GTS can run Crysis in DX10 (or DX9 for that matter)basersx

Interesting theory, sounds logical, but how would you support it?

Read this review, and the conclusion - http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/426/14/

"I'm extremely curious how a DX10 title like Crysis will perform on cards like these, and while DX10 performance might be a tad better I do not predict anything good. "

And this thread from the PC Hardware section "DirextX for dummies" - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25578950

"What I am trying to say is that there isn't anything revolutionary about directx (10). It doesn't automatically make your games look better. It just provides the developer the tools to create more complex graphics at the expense of higher hardware requirements."

Nicely done sir!

[QUOTE="mouthforbathory"]You can't really max out unless you have a DX10 capable card.basersx

The only DX10 card that will max out Crysis in any decent res is the 8800GTX. The 8600s and 8500s will not even play the game well in DX10 (or DX9) at all. They don't have enough power.

Just like how a 6600 has the "ability" to run HDR, it can't actually run any games with HDR turned on because it does not have enough power too. The 8500s and 8600s are just on the market to make money because they say "DX10" on the box. But they will never be able to play any DX10 games very well at all.

Even the Game spot review said they were disappointed with the 8600s and would not recommend them to people.

If you want DX10 get the 8800GTS or GTX. If you can't afford one of those don't bother!

I already have an 8800GTS sir! :P

Even still though, I'd expect an 8600 to run Crysis in DX10 mode better than a  7900 running Crysis in DX9, even though the 7900 will beat the 8600 in DX9.  DX10 is supposed to be more efficient than DX9 was, but then again those efficiencies might not be seen unless you're running high level features which would require a powerful GPU in the first place.  Whatever happens we'll see.  Even though I have my 8800GTS, I'm compelled to go out and buy different video cards to test them out with Crysis in there respective abilities (both DX9 and DX10 modes) with the game.  If I was to do such a thing I know what cards I'd try out:

GeForce 6600GT 256 MB
GeForce 6800 Ultra 256 MB
GeForce 7300GT 256 MB
GeForce 7600GS/GT 256 MB
GeForce 7900GS/GT 256 MB
GeForce 7950GT 512 MB
GeForce 7950 Gx2 512 MB
GeForce 8500 256 MB
GeForce 8600GS/GT/GTS 256 MB
GeForce 8800GTS 320/640 MB
GeForce 8800GTX 768 MB
GeForce Radeon X800XT/Pro 256 MB
Radeon X1300 256 MB
Radeon X1600 256 MB
Radeon X1800 256/512 MB
Radeon X1900 512 MB
Radeon X1950 512 MB
Radeon X2xxx Series cards

Oh man it would be interesting.  I hope Gamespot does a just as comprehensive analysis of Crysis. 

I doubt even an 8800 will handle Crysis *maxed* out, if by maxed you mean a res at or over 1024 and any AA at all.

I have a 1950pro 512 and fully expect to be completely and utterly unsatisfied with its Crysis performance.  

Baser, from what i have seen from your posts, you are an idiot who cannot backup his answer with solid evidence. I mean for gods sake the game isnt even out yet, but you post reviews where they say the PREDICT it wont run Dx10 at the greatest settings. First, this isn't supposed to be an amazing card, it is a budget mid range card. Secondly Ive seen you claiming **** about these cards without ever trying one yourself, because you relate how the 6000 series could do HDR but ran like **** when using this. This might be true for the 8000 series but you can't prove something that has yet to happen. I honestly just think you are jealous your stuck with a 6800. (BTW im not an nvidia fanboy or something, i own an X1950)Owen564956

LOL nice 6th post!  So you think a card that can not even run FEAR as well as a 7900GS is magically going to run Crysis well?  You must believe in hocus pocus magic!  Its true that until crysis comes out we will not know for sure.  But just about every professional game site (including GS) is now saying they do not expect the 8600s to run ANY of the DX10 games well.  The card is a major disappointment. 

You must have already bought one or you would not have so much bitterness over something that is just common sense.  The fact that the 8600s have 32 shader cores and the choice of 128-bit memory will keep the card from running anything very well DX10 or not. 

This is also common sense when you look at the first DX9 cards.  Only the top two could actually run DX9 games and all the lesser one were slower than may of the cheaper DX8 cards on the market.  All but the very top first DX9 cards were garbage and never played any of the DX9 games worth a darn.

interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksMiguel16

Well I think it will run fine on the 8800s.  But come one, what groundbreaking game ever run MAXED on the cards that were on the market when it launches?  Look at Far Cry, I think the FX5950 Ultra was the best card when it came out.  But it could not run it maxed (especially if you talk about Far Cry with HDR!!), it took a year or so for really powerful cards to come out that could fully run that game. 

I think you would have to be pretty short sided to think that the 8800GTX is going to stay the top card for very long and that the next cards to come out wont be able to run a game like that even better!  I mean come on, by the time Crysis comes out the 8800GTS/GTX will have been on the market for a year!  There is no way they will be able to run it as well as future cards.  And then also consider that Crysis is going to be the fist major DX10 release.  What about the next big game after it?  What was the first big DX9 game?  NOLF maybe?  I cant remember but it was one of them.  How well did the first  DX9 cards run it?  And how long did NOLF stay considered the best graphical game on the market?  It won't take very long at all for DX10 games to make the 8800GTX look just average.  Just look at history to understand this. 

This is just one more reason / way to understand why the 8600s will be terrible from day one and only get a lot worse!

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksbasersx

Well I think it will run fine on the 8800s.  But come one, what groundbreaking game ever run MAXED on the cards that were on the market when it launches?  Look at Far Cry, I think the FX5950 Ultra was the best card when it came out.  But it could not run it maxed (especially if you talk about Far Cry with HDR!!), it took a year or so for really powerful cards to come out that could fully run that game. 

I think you would have to be pretty short sided to think that the 8800GTX is going to stay the top card for very long and that the next cards to come out wont be able to run a game like that even better!  I mean come on, by the time Crysis comes out the 8800GTS/GTX will have been on the market for a year!  There is no way they will be able to run it as well as future cards.  And then also consider that Crysis is going to be the fist major DX10 release.  What about the next big game after it?  What was the first big DX9 game?  NOLF maybe?  I cant remember but it was one of them.  How well did the first  DX9 cards run it?  And how long did NOLF stay considered the best graphical game on the market?  It won't take very long at all for DX10 games to make the 8800GTX look just average.  Just look at history to understand this. 

This is just one more reason / way to understand why the 8600s will be terrible from day one and only get a lot worse!

Oh i agree on that note. Theres no way the 8800s will stay top. Thats a given. The 8600 is pretty dissapointing and it most likely will not run crysis at high. i look at them more as multimedia cards and for the very casual gamer. Still i would never look at buying one

interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksMiguel16

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that? 

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksUncle_Tbag

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that?

Crysis was shown off maxed out at 2650 x 1600 on an 8800GTX using DX10 and it was *unoptimized* running at 60 FPS. 

[QUOTE="basersx"]

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksMiguel16

Well I think it will run fine on the 8800s.  But come one, what groundbreaking game ever run MAXED on the cards that were on the market when it launches?  Look at Far Cry, I think the FX5950 Ultra was the best card when it came out.  But it could not run it maxed (especially if you talk about Far Cry with HDR!!), it took a year or so for really powerful cards to come out that could fully run that game. 

I think you would have to be pretty short sided to think that the 8800GTX is going to stay the top card for very long and that the next cards to come out wont be able to run a game like that even better!  I mean come on, by the time Crysis comes out the 8800GTS/GTX will have been on the market for a year!  There is no way they will be able to run it as well as future cards.  And then also consider that Crysis is going to be the fist major DX10 release.  What about the next big game after it?  What was the first big DX9 game?  NOLF maybe?  I cant remember but it was one of them.  How well did the first  DX9 cards run it?  And how long did NOLF stay considered the best graphical game on the market?  It won't take very long at all for DX10 games to make the 8800GTX look just average.  Just look at history to understand this. 

This is just one more reason / way to understand why the 8600s will be terrible from day one and only get a lot worse!

Oh i agree on that note. Theres no way the 8800s will stay top. Thats a given. The 8600 is pretty dissapointing and it most likely will not run crysis at high. i look at them more as multimedia cards and for the very casual gamer. Still i would never look at buying one

My point is that the 8600GTS cost more than a 7950GT or X1950XT yet it will not play games as well as either one of them.  And I can already tell from all the tests and talk that the 8600GTS will not even run Crysis as well as an X1950XT.  So people are paying a premium for it because it's DX10 even though that will never do anything for them.

I bring up the HDR example again.  Some people paid more for a 6600 than what ever older gen card was on the market that was faster and cheaper just because the 6600 "could run HDR".  But the card is so weak it never had enough power to actually play a game with HDR turned on because it would be running at like 10FPS!  So buying a 6600 because it had "HDR" was a compete useless waste.  The same will be true for buying a 8600 for DX10!

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksUncle_Tbag

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that? 

i honestly dont know. Who really does.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Tbag"]

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksmouthforbathory

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that?

Crysis was shown off maxed out at 2650 x 1600 on an 8800GTX using DX10 and it was *unoptimized* running at 60 FPS. 

That was not factual, it was speculation based off of what some guys saw at a trade show.  Even they said they didn't see any actual FPS numbers and have no idea what the actual game settings were.  They just said it "looked" like it was maxed, in DX10, and getting around 60FPS!

And one of the photos they took of a screen they even said was a game video and not the actual game!

Edit: and let me just add this.  If that is true that Crysis runs maxed out at 60FPS at 2650x1600 all that means is that Cysis as a game is barley taking advantage of DX10 at all and it wont take long for another game to come out and make Cysis look like a joke and really challenge the 8800GTX. 

The first DX9 cards on the market had very short usable life spans, shorter than the norm.  The same will be true for all these first DX10 cards.  Be smart!

[QUOTE="Uncle_Tbag"]

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksMiguel16

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that?

i honestly dont know. Who really does.

Anyone who's been gaming for long enough to judge leaps in visual fidelity against hardware power.  

[QUOTE="mouthforbathory"][QUOTE="Uncle_Tbag"]

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksbasersx

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that?

Crysis was shown off maxed out at 2650 x 1600 on an 8800GTX using DX10 and it was *unoptimized* running at 60 FPS.

That was not factual, it was speculation based off of what some guys saw at a trade show. Even they said they didn't see any actual FPS numbers and have no idea what the actual game settings were. They just said it "looked" like it was maxed, in DX10, and getting around 60FPS!

And one of the photos they took of a screen they even said was a game video and not the actual game!

I figured it was something like that.

People here need to look at benchmarks for games with graphics that pale in comparison to Crysis, and they are nearly unplayable at 2650. Is Crysis going to come with some magic pixie dust to make it perform 100x better than it should?  

Well it can't run worse then Stalker and I run that on 800x600 max and get acceptable Frames and nice visuals.

Anyway I like HDR people out there really don't?? eh whatever. whats this thread about again? 

[QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="Uncle_Tbag"]

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]interesting i expect crysis to run easily on an 8800 or the equivalent ati card. Why not. Why does everyone thing this game is just gunna cripple todays high end equipment. Wasnt crysis already running maxed at a res of 2650x1600 with a geforce 7 series card? i dunno i could be wrong. I just dont think crysis is gunna cripple hardware like everyone thinksUncle_Tbag

That would place its performance on a G7xxx above FEAR, Oblivion, CoH, and Stalker. Do you really believe that?

i honestly dont know. Who really does.

Anyone who's been gaming for long enough to judge leaps in visual fidelity against hardware power.  

Hey man ur probably right but i was just saying what i heard.

The first DX9 cards on the market had very short usable life spans, shorter than the norm. The same will be true for all these first DX10 cards. Be smart!basersx

A great game with great graphics can too run very well on not as powerful hardware, if coded properly.  Don't forget, coding is the main issue with a lot of these games, and most of these games are so poorly coded atm, that they perform like crap on a lot of good hardware.  Crysis could be just so well optimized it will performe very well on older cards.  And assumptions can be thrown anywere, so I take everyones assumption here with a grain of salt.

Also, Crysis is not until near years end, if not, beginning of next year, I think you will eventualy upgrade your video card by then.

It's really only logical that the 8600 can't handle crysis better than top-range dx9 cards; it just doesn't have the horsepower. it should have had 256-bit memory and more shader options. I'm hoping Nvidia will release something similar to the 7950gt that is in the $200-300 price range and has more power than the mainstream cards (maybe about 48-64 shaders).

 BTW, is Nvidia still planning on releasing the 8600 ultra? 

It's really only logical that the 8600 can't handle crysis better than top-range dx9 cards; it just doesn't have the horsepower. it should have had 256-bit memory and more shader options. I'm hoping Nvidia will release something similar to the 7950gt that is in the $200-300 price range and has more power than the mainstream cards (maybe about 48-64 shaders).

 BTW, is Nvidia still planning on releasing the 8600 ultra? 

blue_sparks

8800 ultra now

[QUOTE="basersx"]The first DX9 cards on the market had very short usable life spans, shorter than the norm. The same will be true for all these first DX10 cards. Be smart!Makari

My 9800pro had 256mb and it's in my old machine and still plays games today :P It can run everything but obviously games like oblivion can only run on low - medium however if i was t overclock it with water cooling i'd get more outta it yet lol.

Best GPU ever made IMO lasted me 4 years.

However i'm using x1950xtx crossfire atm lo.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="basersx"]The first DX9 cards on the market had very short usable life spans, shorter than the norm. The same will be true for all these first DX10 cards. Be smart!Terrorantula

My 9800pro had 256mb and it's in my old machine and still plays games today :P It can run everything but obviously games like oblivion can only run on low - medium however if i was t overclock it with water cooling i'd get more outta it yet lol.

Best GPU ever made IMO lasted me 4 years.

However i'm using x1950xtx crossfire atm lo.

Ahh The 9800 series, one of the best cards of its time. Even when nvidia released the GeForceFX fiasco the 9700 held its ground for quite a while. I too have my olde 9800 XT 256, I had it for 2 years waiting on HL2 (since the box stated that I would get a free copy of the game). I used it to play that game on High settings without any compromise.

haha and Terrorantula I too use x1950 CF setup, on an intel board.

There really isn't much to DX10 over DX9 in terms of looks, other then some different shading and such (yeah, kinda better quality) but the biggest thing it has going, is how efficient it is supposed to be over dx9, so who knows, maybe the 8600 may indeed performe quite well in DX10 based tasks, just take a look at the shader intensive games on the 8600gts benchmarks!sepheronX

Uhhh yeah the 8800GTS only ran Oblivion 6 FPS faster than a 7900GTS.  See this here - http://www.gamespot.com/features/6169151/p-2.html

Not very impressive at all in shader games or any other games. I guess you could say it sucked a little less in shader games than others but thats about it. 

The DirectX 10 API might be more efficient, but its not to say that the 8800's aren't using their stream processors as they should in DX9, they still are unified processors regardless of the DirectX. 

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="basersx"]The first DX9 cards on the market had very short usable life spans, shorter than the norm. The same will be true for all these first DX10 cards. Be smart!Terrorantula

My 9800pro had 256mb and it's in my old machine and still plays games today :P It can run everything but obviously games like oblivion can only run on low - medium however if i was t overclock it with water cooling i'd get more outta it yet lol.

Best GPU ever made IMO lasted me 4 years.

However i'm using x1950xtx crossfire atm lo.

I bet you get good fps in Oblivion with crossfire. Especially since you dont use hdr.