Are Gaming laptops really that inferior to gaming desktops?

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#1 r-teest
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I would much rather game on a laptop rather than a desktop.

And not to mention I wouldn't have to share the computer with my sisters:P

Lastly, are laptops upgradeable?

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#2 brandontwb
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You can find a decent laptop that runs games well, but they're very hard and expensive to upgrade, usually you can't upgrade them at all. You could get a much more powerful desktop gaming machine for the price of a decent gaming laptop.
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#3 hrah
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Laptops are very limited in what can be upgraded

the GPU (graphic cards) are not as powerful as a normal desktop card

Heat is difficult to dissipate

laptops are more expensive than desktops of the same performance

limited battery life

that's the price you pay for portability

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#4 aura_enchanted
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nope they arent upgradeable at all really

and as for them being inferior cost effectively they arent preformance wise they can measure up relatively well but realisitcally your spending easily $200 more on a gaming laptop then you are a desktop of the same level of preformance.

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#5 markop2003
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Laptops ain't really upgradeable. Just get a desktop, if you want something small you could get a Fragbox like a Shuttle
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#6 johnny27
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yes most are not upgradeable and the price versus performance is horrible compared to desktop. you can build a cheaper desktop thats more powerful then whatever laptop your looking at buying hell with 1200$ you can build a desktop pc that will beat every laptop out on the market today and continue to do so for 2 years maybe even more until finaly a super expensive highend laptop comes out that eventually beats it but since desktops are upgradeble you just buy a new graphics card for like 150-300$ and your back ontop again.

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#7 r-teest
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Fine, I'm convinced. I'm just going to go ahead and buy a gaming desktop then...

I know a few things already, but still need to go into some research on how to build my own rig.

It'd be nice if I could have some expert build one for me...but im not lazy:P i'll figure it out...

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#8 smc91352
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Fine, I'm convinced. I'm just going to go ahead and buy a gaming desktop then...

I know a few things already, but still need to go into some research on how to build my own rig.

It'd be nice if I could have some expert build one for me...but im not lazy:P i'll figure it out...

r-teest

If you want some help choosing parts and know your budget, you should post it here, and some people will help you out.

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#9 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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Well, the technology has improved somewhat. A typical $1000ish Asus gaming laptop is about on par with a $650-700 desktop in terms of performance (roughly, and depending on parts).
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#10 eikast
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1) Very expensive

2) compononents inferior to desktop's because desktop have better cooling and can easily over clock components.

3) Not upgradable

4) Battery life will be very short when not plugged into an outlet.

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#11 furio123
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laptops are great for gaming you just have to get the right one

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#12 opamando
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laptops are great for gaming you just have to get the right one

furio123
I disagree. For a laptop to be great for gaming, you will be pulling so much juice that you will basically have to have it plugged in. Not to mention how heavy a good gaming laptop can be. If you want a decent laptop that can do minor gaming on, then you can be OK. But a high end gaming laptop is just silly, IMHO, unless you have the money to WASTE on it. I mean, if I won the lottery I would have a gaming laptop or two. But other than that, I don't think so.
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#13 furio123
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[QUOTE="furio123"]

laptops are great for gaming you just have to get the right one

opamando

I disagree. For a laptop to be great for gaming, you will be pulling so much juice that you will basically have to have it plugged in. Not to mention how heavy a good gaming laptop can be. If you want a decent laptop that can do minor gaming on, then you can be OK. But a high end gaming laptop is just silly, IMHO, unless you have the money to WASTE on it. I mean, if I won the lottery I would have a gaming laptop or two. But other than that, I don't think so.

well have to agree to disagree

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#14 UltimateGamer95
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I would much rather game on a laptop rather than a desktop.

And not to mention I wouldn't have to share the computer with my sisters:P

Lastly, are laptops upgradeable?

r-teest
laptops have much less upgradeability than desktops and thus will not last long in the PC upgrade cycle. Also you can get a much more powerful desktop for about 1/2 to 2/3 of the price of a gaming laptop.
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#15 PcGamingRig
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i dno if u can upgrade laptops u can build a decent desktop for £800 - £900 now anyway and there easy to upgrade so you're set for the future to

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#16 chefkw
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And not to mention I wouldn't have to share the computer with my sisters:P

r-teest

For the last 8 years, consumer versions of Windows (XP, Vista) have had a handy password feature which prevents people that you don't want using it from doing so. :P

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#17 NamelessPlayer
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[QUOTE="r-teest"]

And not to mention I wouldn't have to share the computer with my sisters:P

chefkw

For the last 8 years, consumer versions of Windows (XP, Vista) have had a handy password feature which prevents people that you don't want using it from doing so. :P

There have been username/password systems in Windows dating back to 98, maybe even 95. No "Welcome" screens until XP, though. Anyway, I don't see the point in gaming laptops because I find them to be a very poor compromise. -A typical gaming desktop gives you far more bang for your buck and is easily upgradable. The price-to-performance ratio increases since desktops generally have much better cooling and are thus easier to overclock. -A typical Tablet PC (the kind with hardware keyboards, detachable or convertible-laptop style, in this case) will be smaller, lighter, more portable, have longer battery life, and more versatile since I can write/draw on the screen with the unit cradled in my arm whenever I feel the need. (And then there are numerous bog-standard laptops and netbooks that provide the portability and battery life advantages, sans the handwriting/drawing aspect.) The only time I'd even consider getting a gaming laptop is when I have some extra money to spend for my university's recommendation on a mobile workstation laptop complete with software suitable to my game development pursuits-and when I'm done with that, I'm going to transfer the additional software licenses to my desktop and sell the laptop. (I'm currently trying to figure out how to access my desktop remotely from the university while still being able to run anything in need of hardware 3D acceleration and the like so I can do without such a laptop. Remote Desktop isn't cutting it.)
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(I'm currently trying to figure out how to access my desktop remotely from the university while still being able to run anything in need of hardware 3D acceleration and the like so I can do without such a laptop. Remote Desktop isn't cutting it.)NamelessPlayer
Contact Flompy, he has software that does that sort of thing perfect, i think it's called VNC but i could be wrong...
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#19 sleepingzzz
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Would just like to add that I rather play games on 22+ inch monitors. 17 inch laptops are heavy to carry around. Better to spend your money on a strong desktop and get a regular laptop for school/work. My company supplied me with a decent Dell laptop.

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[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"]Well, the technology has improved somewhat. A typical $1000ish Asus gaming laptop is about on par with a $650-700 desktop in terms of performance (roughly, and depending on parts).

More like a 400-500$ computer.
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The only reason I got a gaming laptop was because I moved into a tiny dorm last year and my desktop bit the dust and needed to be badly upgraded anyway. A new desktop was out of the question for multiple reasons (little space, I needed portability, etc), so I went with a laptop. I have to disagree with a few points being made in this thread:

- They're not upgradable. The GPUs aren't upgradable. However, at least with my laptop, everything else is. Yeah, the lack of an upgradable GPU is a big drawback, but it's not like you can't upgrade anything.
- They're only comparable to a $400 desktop. My P7811FX cost me $1250 a year ago and I'm able to max out all my games at 1920x1200 with smooth framerates (30+ FPS). Crysis and Crysis Warhead need to be toned down to 1280x800 and need some tweaks to run at "very high" settings, but it can be done and I get about 27 FPS average. Now I don't pay much attention to desktop hardware, but last I checked a $400 desktop can't run Crysis at very high settings at any HD resolution.
- You can't play games without being plugged in. No ****. The point of a gaming laptop isn't to play Crysis in your car, it's to have a gaming rig that you can easily take with you so you can play your games at a hotel, at your friend's house, etc.

All that said, if you don't need a laptop for any practical reason then get a desktop. If your parents are going to make you share your computer with your sisters then obviously it doesn't matter what you get because they're going to force you to share a laptop too, and if you hide it then you'll just get punished. Furthermore, unlike a desktop, your sisters can lose your laptop or hide it from you. Not good. Now if you're not being forced to share, then you should still get a desktop for the same reasons (sisters can steal the laptop from you and keep it hidden). As someone already pointed out, all you have to do to lock them out is put a password on any computer you use. Problem solved.

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#22 JigglyWiggly_
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Laptops have soldered in gpus, cpus are usually not, however the motherboards that house the cpu tend to be limited in compatibility. You can upgrade to like a new processor in the series, but like a different family of cpus that run on the same socket might not work.
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#23 Hekynn
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Some are but not the new Core I7 laptops that online sites like Cyberpowerpc Ibuypower Alienware Dell and HP has now. Which is just WAY too much money. So Just build a $800 Core I7 rig. :)
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"] (I'm currently trying to figure out how to access my desktop remotely from the university while still being able to run anything in need of hardware 3D acceleration and the like so I can do without such a laptop. Remote Desktop isn't cutting it.)markop2003
Contact Flompy, he has software that does that sort of thing perfect, i think it's called VNC but i could be wrong...

I've heard of VNC before, but there are so many different variations of it that I don't know where to start.
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Some are but not the new Core I7 laptops that online sites like Cyberpowerpc Ibuypower Alienware Dell and HP has now. Which is just WAY too much money. So Just build a $800 Core I7 rig. :)Hekynn

not really possible.

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[QUOTE="Hekynn"]Some are but not the new Core I7 laptops that online sites like Cyberpowerpc Ibuypower Alienware Dell and HP has now. Which is just WAY too much money. So Just build a $800 Core I7 rig. :)samuraiguns

not really possible.

Dell can provide you one. And the new Asus laptops have the new GTS 240m specification, making them pretty competitive.
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The only reason I got a gaming laptop was because I moved into a tiny dorm last year and my desktop bit the dust and needed to be badly upgraded anyway. A new desktop was out of the question for multiple reasons (little space, I needed portability, etc), so I went with a laptop. I have to disagree with a few points being made in this thread:

- They're not upgradable. The GPUs aren't upgradable. However, at least with my laptop, everything else is. Yeah, the lack of an upgradable GPU is a big drawback, but it's not like you can't upgrade anything.
- They're only comparable to a $400 desktop. My P7811FX cost me $1250 a year ago and I'm able to max out all my games at 1920x1200 with smooth framerates (30+ FPS). Crysis and Crysis Warhead need to be toned down to 1280x800 and need some tweaks to run at "very high" settings, but it can be done and I get about 27 FPS average. Now I don't pay much attention to desktop hardware, but last I checked a $400 desktop can't run Crysis at very high settings at any HD resolution.
- You can't play games without being plugged in. No ****. The point of a gaming laptop isn't to play Crysis in your car, it's to have a gaming rig that you can easily take with you so you can play your games at a hotel, at your friend's house, etc.

All that said, if you don't need a laptop for any practical reason then get a desktop. If your parents are going to make you share your computer with your sisters then obviously it doesn't matter what you get because they're going to force you to share a laptop too, and if you hide it then you'll just get punished. Furthermore, unlike a desktop, your sisters can lose your laptop or hide it from you. Not good. Now if you're not being forced to share, then you should still get a desktop for the same reasons (sisters can steal the laptop from you and keep it hidden). As someone already pointed out, all you have to do to lock them out is put a password on any computer you use. Problem solved.

gameguy6700

I am with him, finally someone who tells it how it is, honestly i was reading some replies here and im like WTF gaming laptops arent this bad, i have 2 of them and some people talk down on gaming laptops like how some people talk down to macs over windows computers... gaming laptops are for different situation guys, you have to understand that, we dont have room in our house for another desktop so i got my brother a gaming laptop which seems to be good anyway because he can always be in a room with AC rather than a room that is hot and not able to use his pc in a hot room. i have a 8800GT on my desktop and his laptop has a 9800M and i was surprised how well it played TF2 maxed out with 16xAA, it is pretty identical to performance to that of my desktop pc, yes the desktops are more powerful but then again thats only if your comparing with more powerful hardware, i know many who still game on a 8600GT and this laptop blows their desktop out of the water

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#28 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="Hekynn"]Some are but not the new Core I7 laptops that online sites like Cyberpowerpc Ibuypower Alienware Dell and HP has now. Which is just WAY too much money. So Just build a $800 Core I7 rig. :)k0r3aN_pR1d3

not really possible.

Dell can provide you one. And the new Asus laptops have the new GTS 240m specification, making them pretty competitive.

He said gaming, the 4350 aint gettin' you nowhere.
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[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

Some are but not the new Core I7 laptops that online sites like Cyberpowerpc Ibuypower Alienware Dell and HP has now. Which is just WAY too much money. So Just build a $800 Core I7 rig. :)Hekynn

not really possible.

Dell can provide you one. And the new Asus laptops have the new GTS 240m specification, making them pretty competitive.

GTS240M is not a gaming gpu...
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#30 dackchaar
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It's not that laptops can't game as well as desktops, it's just that laptops are far more expensive than a desktop, and you really can't upgrade them much.

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#31 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"] (I'm currently trying to figure out how to access my desktop remotely from the university while still being able to run anything in need of hardware 3D acceleration and the like so I can do without such a laptop. Remote Desktop isn't cutting it.)NamelessPlayer
Contact Flompy, he has software that does that sort of thing perfect, i think it's called VNC but i could be wrong...

I've heard of VNC before, but there are so many different variations of it that I don't know where to start.

Wait are you saying it is possible to use your desktop remotely on your laptop, and maybe even play Crysis like that? Sounds alot like Onlive.
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[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Contact Flompy, he has software that does that sort of thing perfect, i think it's called VNC but i could be wrong...

I've heard of VNC before, but there are so many different variations of it that I don't know where to start.

Wait are you saying it is possible to use your desktop remotely on your laptop, and maybe even play Crysis like that? Sounds alot like Onlive.

The current method I use is StreamMyGame, which isn't perfect by a long shot, but far better for Crysis-on-the-go than Microsoft's Remote Desktop. Unlike OnLive, you have to supply the server (in this case, your own gaming desktop) and the games. Fortunately, this means that you have total control over what's on the server, which means that you're not limited to a specific catalogue of games and can run whatever mods for said games you want. Basic StreamMyGame accounts are also free, if you don't mind being stuck with 640x480 on the client computer. Ideally, though, what it should be like is that you just double-click a remote shortcut on your desktop, and it seamlessly runs a remote app from the server, with the app even adjusting its interface to match. Basically, if I wanted to play Crysis on my TC1100 and had an Internet connection, I should just double-click a shortcut and it'll fire right up as if it was locally installed, only my desktop at home is doing all the heavy lifting and just spitting out the resulting graphics and sound back through the client. Same for 3ds max/Maya/Softimage/Lightwave/etc., Adobe Creative Suite, and other such demanding apps. (In fact, today's desktops may very well become tomorrow's home servers...)