Are you sick of this?

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

955 vs i7 920 Conclusion

"In all of the game benchmarks we took, the Core i7 rarely lost by a notable margin, but there were quite a few instances where it pulled ahead, especially when overclocked. On the other hand, in ourapplicationtestingas demonstrated in previous articles, the Core i7 leads the Phenom II by a more substantial margin."

"Note that our Core i7 overclock was conservative compared to the Phenom II overclock, giving us more potential with which to play. Also, the Core i7 offers the flexibility to use both Nvidia and AMD GPUs in multi-card configurations, wheres AMD CPUs are either limited to Radeons in CrossFire for multi-card setups or GeForces in SLI if you go with an Nvidia chipset--but never both."

"This is where the AMD option makes the most sense: not by going toe-to-toe against the Core i7 at higher prices, but by offering similar gaming utility at a much lower cost. This is also where AMD pulls a rabbit out of its hat, by serving up an alternative for budget gamers who want to build a cost-effective gaming rig."

in before toms hardware doesnt count cause Intel pays em off.

in before toms hardware doesnt count cause Intel pays em off.

Fizzman

Maybe before you make a biased opinion, you should actually read the article. Because they even suggest AMD for budget gamers.... Where as i7 builders on a budget have to sacrifice GPU performance for the cost of i7.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

in before toms hardware doesnt count cause Intel pays em off.

kilerchese

Maybe before you make a biased opinion, you should actually read the article. Because they even suggest AMD for budget gamers.... Where as i7 builders on a budget have to sacrifice GPU performance for the cost of i7.

I did read it, and it stated that the I7 was the best choice. Besides i was also joking cause Silgo hates Toms hardware.

[QUOTE="kilerchese"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

in before toms hardware doesnt count cause Intel pays em off.

Fizzman

Maybe before you make a biased opinion, you should actually read the article. Because they even suggest AMD for budget gamers.... Where as i7 builders on a budget have to sacrifice GPU performance for the cost of i7.

I did read it, and it stated that the I7 was the best choice.

It's the best choice for EVERYTHING including gaming.

"In any case, I am more than happy to revise my previous conclusion and say that a Phenom II can make a fine gaming rig at the same price as a Core i7 system. The money saved by choosing the Phenom II setup instead of a Core i7 system can be applied to the graphics subsystem, helping the Phenom II stay competitive in gaming environments. Across all of the games and all of the resolutions we tested, the Phenom II system delivered frame rates just as playable as the Core i7 system."

I can not help that he is stating FACTS. If you have the best CPUs and best GPUs, I'm sorry, but your going to beat the competition...

so what if you cant afford an I7 going with AMD isnt bad, but i could and went with Intel because it gave me the highest overall performance. TC was sick of people saying this when the post you link was stating exactly what he hated. Besides when i built my I7 build i didnt have to skimp on a GPU the 4870 was an excellent GPU then, and it is now. When November/December rolls around ill be sure to drop 500-600 bucks on a DX11 GPU, and the I7 isnt preventing me from doing that.

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

Slig0

Why do u care about ignorant people going for BRAND.

u know how a guy made fun of my laptop asus, just cause its named ASUS, but when i played dead space, on my laptop g51vx, IT TOTALLY OWNED HIS STUPID LAME SONY VAIO THAT HE GOT FOR TWICE THE PRICE.

soon ull see those people working at walmart,

so tell me do u really care?

Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

Slig0

Buy both if you have the money.

yeah core i7 a 3.8ghz / 4.0Ghz can be 24/24 7/7 Stable but require massive cooling : CSF45F show in is he have 3.6ghz of 3.8 / 4.0Ghz I donno what 3.8ghz / 4.0Ghz does more of extra 2-3fps max i belive But It should defeat Phenom II X4 955 BE But I must say it a Close fight

But Phenom II X4 965 Will be Stronger 4.3Ghz OC 24/24 7/7 Stable : but someone with a epic cooling system as my cooler + two fan did got it at 4.4Ghz Stable and that it suposse to mean you can use the Phenom II X4 965 at 4.4Ghz On games which is awesome

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-5.html
I don't really Trust tomhardware Review ever since last year there lack of information that is vital in there benchmark they got like lazy to do all the test or something

just like cpu review on bit-tech lack of 1920x1200 in there test and multi-gpu setup which is solved in there gpu review Because there quite a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200

but it sure if cpu give better performances in 1680x1050 there a huge chance it do similary result for 1920x1200 but that the margin could be of 3-10fps difference rather then 5-20fps difference depending on if you did max the graphic / Better AA / On higher resolution like 93fps become 85-80fps
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-5.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/07/06/msi-n260gtx-lightning-review/8

What Would be Essential need at moment is a more Detailed Cpu scaling like Legion hardware which is Trust Worthy information
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=7

I wonder why Slig0 specially hate tomhardware ? id understand hardocp tough since almost everyone know and saw they do biased information
but let say i say Slig0 post frequanlty about why people are enough dumb to take Core i7 920 instead of Phenom II X4 955 BE stuff like that

it also a matter that core i7 920 not overclock in most of game that use multi-core the core i7 920 will perform better at stock then X4 955 BE But If you get them both at overclockign there nearly the same result Exepct when you use Quad sli / Crossfire X core i7 will dominate slighter higher donno the exatly reason why

also that X58 as a Great Feature that amd Dream to have i bet The Support of Crossfire / SLI on same motherboard so we people don't have to cry on forum for 1 week to decide either to go amd / nvidia then a year pass you'r like why did i pick nvidia!!!

yeah core i7 a 3.8ghz / 4.0Ghz can be 24/24 7/7 Stable but require massive cooling : CSF45F show in is he have 3.6ghz of 3.8 / 4.0Ghz I donno what 3.8ghz / 4.0Ghz does more of extra 2-3fps max i belive But It should defeat Phenom II X4 955 BE But I must say it a Close fight

But Phenom II X4 965 Will be Stronger 4.3Ghz OC 24/24 7/7 Stable : but someone with a epic cooling system as my cooler + two fan did got it at 4.4Ghz Stable and that it suposse to mean you can use the Phenom II X4 965 at 4.4Ghz On games which is awesome

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-5.html
I don't really Trust tomhardware Review ever since last year there lack of information that is vital in there benchmark they got like lazy to do all the test or something

just like cpu review on bit-tech lack of 1920x1200 in there test and multi-gpu setup which is solved in there gpu review Because there quite a difference from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200 but it sure if cpu give better perofrmances in 1680x1050 there a huge chance it do same for 1920x1200 but that the margin could be of 3-10fps difference rather then 5-20fps difference depending on if you did max the graphic / Better AA / On higher resolution like 93fps become 85-80fps
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-5.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/07/06/msi-n260gtx-lightning-review/8
What Would be Essential need at moment is a more Detailed Cpu scalling like Legionhardware which is Trust Worty information

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=7marcthpro

Yea my cpu is currently at 3.4 but i can usually have it at 3.6 - 3.8 just atm my cooling isn't doing its job and i have to reseat my heatsink sometime here but the i7 does run good and does overclock great but the PII 955 is a close 2nd and does give intel a run for its money.

Hmm i see : anyway it Also that V8 isn't a so Great cooler Cs45F there Lot of Review that show at high overclocking it fall 5C-7C hotter then most of Other cooling solution : such as Mugen II + two Scythe Kaze ultra / Thermalright True 120mm & IFX-14 / Thermolab Baram

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/zalman-cnps10x-extreme_7.html#sect1

I wonder what with the problem you could have with The Coolermaster V8 But It shown in several test for Enthusiast overclocker to avoid to buy it :P But it Better then any of Zalman Cooler they had in the past year they have pretty fall back in the the Very bottom List of high-end cpu cooler for amd / intel since 2007

They where like top-cpu cooler back to Lauch of Amd socket 939 / 940(am2) poor zalman But They got Back in high-end with there Zalman CNPS10X Extreme making them in like the top 10 best airflow cpu cooler which is a good thing since the model 9900 *


even tough 80C is pretty hot if they could get it at 75/70C it would appeal to have lot of costumer

I think you can do something with ur V8 cause the test shown it go at 3.900Mhz maybe a better case airflow Cs45F *
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/xigmatek-thors-hammer_7.html#sect0

[QUOTE="Slig0"]Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

teddyrob

Buy both if you have the money.

how much does a i7 cost? im thinking of upgrading to a i7 just cuz everyone is saying to go with the i7 or phatom II. how much does each one cost? and im not biest. im just more about intel then any other CPU. when it comes to hard ware anything that can run the next gen games fine is fine with me but ill go with intel cuz i know more about them.

how much does a i7 cost? im thinking of upgrading to a i7 just cuz everyone is saying to go with the i7 or phatom II. how much does each one cost? and im not biest. im just more about intel then any other CPU. when it comes to hard ware anything that can run the next gen games fine is fine with me but ill go with intel cuz i know more about them.acsam12304

i7 920-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 $280 and around $50 to get a good air cooler to overclock it.

PII x4 955- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 $215

The great thing about the Phenom II is how the Northbridge overclocks. You can have your cpu at 3.8ghz and the northbridge at 2600 and you can still get higher benchmarks than a phenom II @ 4ghz with 2000 Northbridge. Now....if you can get both insanely high on the Phenom II like i did, you can give the i7 a run for its money in gaming. I run 3.94 with 2700Nb, which is about as fast as a phenom II @ 4.2-4.3Ghz with 2000NB.

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

how much does a i7 cost? im thinking of upgrading to a i7 just cuz everyone is saying to go with the i7 or phatom II. how much does each one cost? and im not biest. im just more about intel then any other CPU. when it comes to hard ware anything that can run the next gen games fine is fine with me but ill go with intel cuz i know more about them.cs45F

i7 920-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 $280 and around $50 to get a good air cooler to overclock it.

PII x4 955- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 $215

[QUOTE="cs45F"]

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

how much does a i7 cost? im thinking of upgrading to a i7 just cuz everyone is saying to go with the i7 or phatom II. how much does each one cost? and im not biest. im just more about intel then any other CPU. when it comes to hard ware anything that can run the next gen games fine is fine with me but ill go with intel cuz i know more about them.Makari

i7 920-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 $280 and around $50 to get a good air cooler to overclock it.

PII x4 955- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 $215

I was going to get an i7, but because everyone recommended it. But when I looked into it, I didn't really see the need as the phenom and i7 had similar performance in games. So I chose he phenom. I could have waited and saved, but I didn't see the point, just to be able to run apps faster.

I wonder why Slig0 specially hate tomhardware ? id understand hardocp tough since almost everyone know and saw they do biased information
but let say i say Slig0 post frequanlty about why people are enough dumb to take Core i7 920 instead of Phenom II X4 955 BE stuff like that

Yes, people who took the 920 over 955 expecting that it will blow the hell out of 955 are stupid. People who made a decision but still admit that the performance of processors is neck to neck areokay, I have nothng against them. As for Tom's... I wrote a thousand times about it, cannot now. BTW, my PC won't turn on now. I got it to stable 4.0GHz, and it was idling at like 54 degrees. I just turned on Bioshock and boom :D Lol, really, PII overclocks greatly, but the stock heatsink is garbage.

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

Slig0

Just an observation. I have two AMD machines and two Intel machines soI truely don't have a dog in this hunt, I like both companies. But dude your as much an AMD fanboy as any Intel one I've seen. To bad cause you lost credibility with the "Intel fanobys" remark.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="cs45F"]

i7 920-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 $280 and around $50 to get a good air cooler to overclock it.

PII x4 955- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 $215

cs45F

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

Slig0

To be honest i'm more sick of people saying that a pII is just as good as an i7, sure stock an i7 920 isn't much better than a pII955 overall, but with some easy overclocking you can get it to 3.0ghz and far beyond and clock for clock the phenom doesn't stand a chance against the i7. In my opinion the only reason we are haveing this debate is because intel is too stupid to release a higher clocked i7 to replace the 920.

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

To be honest i'm more sick of people saying that a pII is just as good as an i7, sure stock an i7 920 isn't much better than a pII955 overall, but with some easy overclocking you can get it to 3.0ghz and far beyond and clock for clock the phenom doesn't stand a chance against the i7. In my opinion the only reason we are haveing this debate is because intel is too stupid to release a higher clocked i7 to replace the 920.

[QUOTE="goleafsguy"]

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

I mean, I truly am."If you can't afford an i7 system, a Phenom II 955 or even a 940 will do quite well here." -AnandTech. I had the money to buy both the stupid I7 and the processor I currently have, and I have made a decision to go 955 even though it didn't bring me ANY savings over the Intel platform. So I hate when someone says that I bought a PII 955 because I didn't have cash. I just went for the faster and more overclockable processor (yes yes, I expect a barrage of insults and *point prooving* from Intel fanobys, but that is ok). Who else bought a PII 955 even though he had money for I7 920???

04dcarraher

To be honest i'm more sick of people saying that a pII is just as good as an i7, sure stock an i7 920 isn't much better than a pII955 overall, but with some easy overclocking you can get it to 3.0ghz and far beyond and clock for clock the phenom doesn't stand a chance against the i7. In my opinion the only reason we are haveing this debate is because intel is too stupid to release a higher clocked i7 to replace the 920.

Well, actually, you get the same or better performance in games with AMD while you get nearly the same performance in apps. And for that one who is sick of people like me, thank you. It just proves that m=the majority of world's population are mentally disturbed rtards.

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

Well, actually, you get the same or better performance in games with AMD while you get nearly the same performance in apps. And for that one who is sick of people like me, thank you. It just proves that m=the majority of world's population are mentally disturbed rtards.

Slig0

Nice response. So far you've responded with "stupid" and "mentally disturbed rtards" If I understand your above post correctly you overclocked your processor to 4.0 with a stock cooler and then loaded your processor with a demanding game like Bioshock. If correct, this may explain your inability to debate a viewpoint civilly.

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

Daytona_178

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

Daytona_178

Yeah, daytona is right once again. The i7 is the best CPU. However in games at the moment the phenom 955 performs similarly for a lower price. However overall, the i7 is the best.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

opamando

http://www.modreactor.com/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

Daytona_178

Fact1: The only advantage that the I7 has over PII is hyperthreading, which is proven to only overheat the processor and is s**t overall. Do you remember P4? I had one. It was supposed to have two virtual cores. When I got a Core2 Duo, I was blown away. I couldn't believe how slow P4 was. Virtual cores do not make up for sh***y architecture.

Fact2: PII are better CPU's AND offer better price for performance ratio. These are the Intel CPUs that beat PII when neither are overclocked:

QX9750

I7 950

I7 965

I7 975

CONCLUDED>TOPIC>CLOSED

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

joshuahaveron

Yeah, daytona is right once again. The i7 is the best CPU. However in games at the moment the phenom 955 performs similarly for a lower price. However overall, the i7 is the best.

PII performs better in games, similarily in apps. I7 is not best.

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

The i7 performs better clock for clock than the AMD Phenom II x4's in nearly every single benchamark i have read and they also overclock further and have hyper threading for whichever apps will take advantage of it. Now i know you just going to say "lulz ur jus a Intel newb hoo nows nutin about computers, AMD is loads buttur...lolz....what a noob" but i really dont care, i have read the **** you have posted in other topics and cant be bothered to argue with your blind fanboyism.

Fact: i7's perform better clock for clock than the PII's in MOST applications including games.

Fact: The Phenom II's offer price/performance and are still Great CPU's.

So if you chose to buy a Phenom II because you didnt need the little extra power tha i7 offers then good for you, its your choice, just dont go saying its a better CPU because it isnt!

Slig0

Yeah, daytona is right once again. The i7 is the best CPU. However in games at the moment the phenom 955 performs similarly for a lower price. However overall, the i7 is the best.

PII performs better in games, similarily in apps. I7 is not best.

Man you guys get serious about this crap IMO both are good processors i would go with a AMD if i was doing a crossfire setup and a intel if i wanted to do a SLI setup and that's exactly what i did i7s do perform great and so do the PIIs but the AMD PII 955 does give the i7 a run for its money and beefdog can testify to that. Overall both are good its up to you what you want to do.cs45F

Thank you. That was sufficient, but I had to resort to fanboysm to fight fanboysm. It is called reverse-fanboysm. Lol

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="joshuahaveron"]

Yeah, daytona is right once again. The i7 is the best CPU. However in games at the moment the phenom 955 performs similarly for a lower price. However overall, the i7 is the best.

Makari

PII performs better in games, similarily in apps. I7 is not best.

I thought I said topic concluded.

[QUOTE="cs45F"]Man you guys get serious about this crap IMO both are good processors i would go with a AMD if i was doing a crossfire setup and a intel if i wanted to do a SLI setup and that's exactly what i did i7s do perform great and so do the PIIs but the AMD PII 955 does give the i7 a run for its money and beefdog can testify to that. Overall both are good its up to you what you want to do.Slig0

Thank you. That was sufficient, but I had to resort to fanboysm to fight fanboysm. It is called reverse-fanboysm. Lol

By the way, everyone is still welcome to vote for chocolate covered mushrooms ;)

The i7 is faster but not enough to warrant the price you pay over AMD's similar performance. Your just paying for the name, and Intel in the last 6 months have been fined, image tarnished over there in Asia/Europe, being sued for stealing patents. They are too big of a company thats trying to be a monopoly and if they were to cause AMD to go under, they can charge outragous prices for little performance. AMD keeps Intel on their toes and the balance of the market.04dcarraher

Source? Here is mine that states that I7 can actually bottleneck crossfire.http://www.modreactor.com/English/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html

Yeah I'm going to have to agree with Daytona on this one. The i7 is faster than the Phenom II, it's also much more expensive than the Phenom II. The Phenom II is not a better processor than the i7, but it's a damn good processor anyway. In most cases the Phenom II will perform just under the i7 in gaming performance, which for many is an attractive feature considering the pricetag of the Phenom II. If you're looking for bang for your buck, it's Core 2 and Phenom II. If you're looking for bleeding edge performance, it's i7.

Don't even tell me Phenom II out does Core 2, because in that last thread all you did was insult me personally when I presented evidence to support my claims that the Core 2 can be faster than the Phenom II at similar or lower clock speeds.

Everyone here already knows that AMD does some tweaks to their chipsets for Crossfire, and the 790 chipset is prefered for Crossfire. Also hyperthreading is not a virtual core. In reality it's nothing like a virtual core, but it vastly improves the way the processor can handle multiple threads. It decreases the time in which mutliple threads need to wait in order to be executed.

If anyone is being a fanboy here it is you. To deny that the i7 is a better processor than the Phenom II is ignorant. You act like we're being ignorant with the Phenom II when majority of us know it's a great processor at a great price. In fact many of us recommend Phenom II's to people in the forum all the time, which is quite a change from what it used to be. It used to be if you were building anything other than a Core 2 system you were stupid because Phenom sucked unless you already had the board for it. From an economic standpoint the Phenom II is a better choice because it gets damn near the i7. If you're just looking for the better processor, it's the i7.

id like to clear that what marfoo said is True but he did forget something : unless it E8500 / E8600 + Overclock Phenom II 940 OC will Beat it in vast majority of benchmark as you may know most of game are more GHZ Related then Quad core / core i7

But in game like World in conflict & GTA IV it is Sure the P II 940 BE / 955BE Will defeat E8600 4.3ghz OC in performances be Assured that it won't be a more huge step then maximum 5-15fps higher then Dual core E8500&E860000 at 4.0Ghz+ would give and also that most of the cpu from 180-300$ will get you to theEnthusiast 50fps+ performances all that is missing is GPU :


you people probabely make too much of Bother for CPU Battle Against Core 2 duo E8400+ High Overclock For The Current time Being
But it Sure fun to have the very 2-3fps to get from 69fps to 73fps and load the game 2 second faster :D

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=0
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=3 120fps lol

[QUOTE="Marfoo"]

Yeah I'm going to have to agree with Daytona on this one. The i7 is faster than the Phenom II, it's also much more expensive than the Phenom II. The Phenom II is not a better processor than the i7, but it's a damn good processor anyway. In most cases the Phenom II will perform just under the i7 in gaming performance, which for many is an attractive feature considering the pricetag of the Phenom II. If you're looking for bang for your buck, it's Core 2 and Phenom II. If you're looking for bleeding edge performance, it's i7.

Don't even tell me Phenom II out does Core 2, because in that last thread all you did was insult me personally when I presented evidence to support my claims that the Core 2 can be faster than the Phenom II at similar or lower clock speeds.

Everyone here already knows that AMD does some tweaks to their chipsets for Crossfire, and the 790 chipset is prefered for Crossfire. Also hyperthreading is not a virtual core. In reality it's nothing like a virtual core, but it vastly improves the way the processor can handle multiple threads. It decreases the time in which mutliple threads need to wait in order to be executed.

If anyone is being a fanboy here it is you. To deny that the i7 is a better processor than the Phenom II is ignorant. You act like we're being ignorant with the Phenom II when majority of us know it's a great processor at a great price. In fact many of us recommend Phenom II's to people in the forum all the time, which is quite a change from what it used to be. It used to be if you were building anything other than a Core 2 system you were stupid because Phenom sucked unless you already had the board for it. From an economic standpoint the Phenom II is a better choice because it gets damn near the i7. If you're just looking for the better processor, it's the i7.

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And I'll do it again, you are an ignorant ****. Like that? Phenom sucks, PII beats the **** out of Core2