Article on DOTA2 makes me think fans are out of touch.

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#1 SerOlmy
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So I was reading Kotaku earlier and saw How Dota 2 Exposes The Shortcomings Of The Video Game Industry and suffice it to say after reading it I was completely astonished based on my experience with the game.

The author of the article they are referencing praises the game as different and like nothing else out there, Are we playing the same game? It feels just like any other MOBA except to me it was even harder to get a handle on the mechanics than any other one I have played. It didn't feel to me like anything was different other than the level of polish compared to other games in the genre.

But the biggest thing that got me was this "Which is to say, it looks like Dota 2s about to become the most popular game on PC. And it couldn't have come from a professional games studio." I cannot fathom how they could come to that conclusion. Other MOBAs have caustic communities, but what I have seen in DOTA2 beta really pushes it to a new level. An apt comparison to me is to take a game with a learning curve equal to or higher than something like EVE and then cut out the helpful community and replace it with the worst vitriol from the Diablo3 boards and let it marinate.

To me it really seems like people are heavily over-estimating this games success. This is one of THE MOST unfreindly genres for newcomers (and possibly the most difficult MOBA to learn period) where you literally have to either bang your head against a wall for hours and hours or read essays worth of material just to be not terrible. And combined with the level of hostility that I experience playing this game I do not think it will be as successful as they expect. My feeling is that they will pull in a TON of people since it is free to play, but the retention will be next to zero. I can't see many people who don't already play these games putting up with the caustic community for as long as it will take to learn.

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#2 DanielDust
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Dota 2's community is far better than how LoL ended up, DoTa however and HoN are absolute garbage. It seems to me that you're doing two things wrong: 1. Overestimating the learning curve of Dota 2, sure it's a pretty hard to master game considering all the heroes and by definition it's hard to "conquer" because of its competitive aspect, but it's also filled with common sense, both as concept and as general "level" of play. The items are extremely balanced, unlike any other moba out there you won't have some cookie cutting super awesome builds that solve everything and make you invincible, for Dota 2 even the recommended build is extremely efficient and only at higher levels of play would you need to "common sense" AKA "read the item description, to alter your build according to your enemies "hmm should I go for strength and armor? nah because my enemies are casters, I'll use something to make me stronger against them not something that makes me strong and terribly weak against those types. 2. Being overly dramatic over the level of hatred of its community, which is lower than any moba on the market, the devs Valve hired for it are also smarter than every other moba dev out there, because Dota 2 lacks "almost" any tool that would be able to make matches terribly annoying because of the community and to cause griefing, there is only one tool that they're either too naive to think it'll work or they have some really amazing plans that nobody can even dream of to update this impossibly to make functional/usable, to not be able to take advantage of, the voting/report system.
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#3 TheBlackKnight3
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Summary of the end of every DotA 2 match:

L2P noob QQ more outplayed. Umad?

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#4 lonewolf_kai
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LoL is a much better game anyways.

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#5 GD1551
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Why do you think people are overestimating how successful the game will be? It's F2P and made by valve.. it's already the most played game on steam while in BETA.. why don't you think it won't be super successful?

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#6 Zubinen
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Why do you think people are overestimating how successful the game will be? It's F2P and made by valve.. it's already the most played game on steam while in BETA.. why don't you think it won't be super successful?

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The entirety of Asia will play it, success is not only guaranteed, it is already here. As for the community, I don't imagine things can get much worse than on other MOBAs, oh and the community on Bloodline: Champions is nicer :P MOBA communities in general are just extremely hostile but a lot of people like this sort of environment, lots of trash talking and trolling, etc.
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#7 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do you think people are overestimating how successful the game will be? It's F2P and made by valve.. it's already the most played game on steam while in BETA.. why don't you think it won't be super successful?

Zubinen

The entirety of Asia will play it, success is not only guaranteed, it is already here. As for the community, I don't imagine things can get much worse than on other MOBAs, oh and the community on Bloodline: Champions is nicer :P MOBA communities in general are just extremely hostile but a lot of people like this sort of environment, lots of trash talking and trolling, etc.

I like the lulz I get from the rage, whether it be my team or the other team. Really though MOBAs, because they way they are setup, naturally cause rage. For instance, I win my lane, mid wins his lane but bot feeds their carry like crazy.. and 10 mins later their carry is super strong and just owns us. That sort of stuff is infuriating, but I generally keep myself in check and have fun with it.

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#8 DanielDust
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MOBA communities in general are just extremely hostile but a lot of people like this sort of environment, lots of trash talking and trolling, etc.Zubinen
That in general is how competitive games work, because people that want to have a good time don't go there with an attitude like "oh I want to be in this game because I like the concept, I may suck hard at it, but I don't care and I also don't want to get better, I'll just suck because it's enough for me to enjoy" they go "must decimate any trace of competition", players that suck ruin the game for everyone else, sure there are "newbs" they are few and they might learn or quit the game, but there are noobs, those dirty, brainless, ugly, plain *the only word not allowed on GS that starts with R*, that think they're the best there is, that do not accept advice to perform way better and possibly win the game because of, after hundreds if not thousands of hours on that specific game. The game that shines, in a negative way, because of these things is World of Tanks, it's the game that will show to those that are interested why competitive games need a ranking system or a matchmaking system at least and how dumb people on this planet actually are in a gaming environment.
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#9 SKaREO
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Riiiight, becauyse Counter-Strike was always known for it's user friendliness? Mhmmm. I don't think you knoww what makes a good game, son. Sit down, let me tell you a thing or two about competitive online games.
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#11 NEWMAHAY
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Summary of the end of every DotA 2 match:

L2P noob QQ more outplayed. Umad?

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75% of them end with just gg
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#12 tagyhag
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I think it will do great, and it's true that DOTA 2 is just different than other games of its genre, anyone who was played them can tell. But it will never have the popularity of LoL because 1. It's a much harder game than LoL. And 2. It uses Steam DRM which is not available in all countries unlike the LoL client. But hey, I'm sure we all know here that popularity =/= quality *Looks at MW2*
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Your theory is just dull as your pretense and hatred for the community, you just need to man up Its not even free yet and it has managed to retain an average at peak 80k players for MONTHS now. It is going to be by far Valve's most successful game (already currently is their most played, with the exception of Team Fotress 2 since man vs machine) they havn't even started marketing it to the masses yet. all 40 million steam accounts have the spectator client and eventually game built into it. Your little cries about the community mean nothing. HoN is a success, LoL is a success and both communities are utter turd. Welcome to competitive gaming, its harsh, its annon. man up, get thick skin.
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[QUOTE="Zubinen"]MOBA communities in general are just extremely hostile but a lot of people like this sort of environment, lots of trash talking and trolling, etc.DanielDust
That in general is how competitive games work, because people that want to have a good time don't go there with an attitude like "oh I want to be in this game because I like the concept, I may suck hard at it, but I don't care and I also don't want to get better, I'll just suck because it's enough for me to enjoy" they go "must decimate any trace of competition", players that suck ruin the game for everyone else, sure there are "newbs" they are few and they might learn or quit the game, but there are noobs, those dirty, brainless, ugly, plain *the only word not allowed on GS that starts with R*, that think they're the best there is, that do not accept advice to perform way better and possibly win the game because of, after hundreds if not thousands of hours on that specific game. The game that shines, in a negative way, because of these things is World of Tanks, it's the game that will show to those that are interested why competitive games need a ranking system or a matchmaking system at least and how dumb people on this planet actually are in a gaming environment.

This is simply the perils of joining public matches. Players should assume all their teammates suck if they don't know them. Anyone expecting to win who has random people on his team is a fool.

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#16 whitey_rolls
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Summary of the end of every DotA 2 match:

L2P noob QQ more outplayed. Umad?

TheBlackKnight3
I beg to differ, I've played about 75 dota 2 matches and while you get the odd ass hat for the most part the community is pretty good. Typically I find the games start with some friendly banter while everyone loads. When the game finishes typically you get both sides congratulating on a good game.
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#17 QQabitmoar
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>Kotaku

Stopped reading there.

Edit: Read some posts, that say how DotA 2 is different from other games in the genre. That's not true at all. May I remind you that DotA 2 is DotA 1 with better graphics AND NOTHING ELSE GAMEPLAY WISE. It even lacks some of the DotA 1 content, hence why it's still in beta. And DotA 1 started this genre. As for the community, anyone who played DotA 1 during it's glory days will know how it will end up, actually it propably will end up much worse than that because of f2p. Remember, it's still in closed beta, only a few hundred thousands are playing atm, just wait till all the brain damaged kids start puring in and flaming everyone in languages you don't even know.

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#18 SKaREO
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End of the day, DOTA 2 has more players than CS:GO had at release. Does this help you understand how popular it's going to be?