At what size does 1080p make a difference?

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#1 skingus
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Topic^^^ I've heard there is not a substantial upgrade at 50' and below. Is this correct? Thanks in advance.
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#2 deadmeat59
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the smallest 1080p i seen is a 32 intch . 1080p is way over priced and pretty much nothing is in it . wait a year or two for it its a waste of money right now. the smaller the screen the sharper the picture . however 1080p is ment for big screens
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#3 skingus
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O.K. but how big?
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#4 sieg6529
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I honestly don't see that much difference b/w 720p and 1080p at any size as long as the contrast ratio is really high.
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#5 Bozanimal
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Since nobody else is answering your question: It is impossible for the human eye to discern a difference in video between 1080i and 1080p on screen sizes 42" or smaller. Regular HDTV - 720p or 1080i - is not discernable from standard definition on screen sizes below 27". This is assuming the viewer is sitting a normal distance from the TV for viewing video.

That being said, consumers using 42" screens or smaller as PC monitors might want 1080p for the additional resolution.

I have read this in a number of forums and articles, seen it in practice myself, and can confirm the SDTV vs. HDTV from my time working for Circuit City.

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#6 N0han
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For monitors, where you ofcourse sit closeby, id say 26-28 inch (depending on how much of a pixel **** you are:P)

For HDTVS, well right now their introducing new models 40' with the engines of 50' meaning they have 1080p possibilities.

Is it needed? Im not sure, it is nice and 'future-proof' at 40' its something that can be considered, lower then 40' its just a waste, bigger then 40'(50'and such) id strongly suggest 1080p

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#7 Whiteknight19
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the smallest 1080p i seen is a 32 intch . 1080p is way over priced and pretty much nothing is in it . wait a year or two for it its a waste of money right now. the smaller the screen the sharper the picture . however 1080p is ment for big screensdeadmeat59
the smallest 1080p u come across is a 24inch because BenQ 24inch has a whoopin 1920 by 1200 and a support of 1080p with 6ms
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#8 jd7-03
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It depends on what your using it for really. I have a 37" 1080p setand for regular HD watching it looks about the same as my native 720P 37" HDTV upstairs. However, for PC gaming it makes all the difference, the extra resolution is easily noticeable.
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#9 X360PS3AMD05
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I've heard you need a 50'' QUALITY TV to notice the difference.
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#10 OneWingedAngeI
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Since nobody else is answering your question: It is impossible for the human eye to discern a difference in video between 1080i and 1080p on screen sizes 42" or smaller. Regular HDTV - 720p or 1080i - is not discernable from standard definition on screen sizes below 27". This is assuming the viewer is sitting a normal distance from the TV for viewing video.

That being said, consumers using 42" screens or smaller as PC monitors might want 1080p for the additional resolution.

I have read this in a number of forums and articles, seen it in practice myself, and can confirm the SDTV vs. HDTV from my time working for Circuit City.

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yet your information is incorrect. i can tell the difference on my 40" lcd, although i sit on the lower end of the viewing distance.but fact most of the consensuses ive read have said anything under 40" its useless. to say its impossible to discern the difference is not completely accurate though.

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#11 xyoojguy
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40" and up.. Any lower and the pixels are too small to see at normal viewing distances..
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#12 PhoenixMDK
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Depends what you are comparing it to. If you mean 1080p and 1080i then I think the discernible difference is actually remarkably small from any source I have yet seen. On the other hand 720p and 1080p is major jump in terms of resolution if you look at the comparative surface area. You're actually talking about well over twice as many pixels in total.

The key is the viewing distance. If there were no difference on a screen smaller than 40" as some will tell you, then PC screens would never have gone beyond 800x600 given their size. Obviously you will be sitting much further away from a TV so it is arguable that you would lose any increased definition in a 32" set. If you move closer, you will most certainly see the difference.

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#13 dmanrevived
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The key is the viewing distance. If there were no difference on a screen smaller than 40" as some will tell you, then PC screens would never have gone beyond 800x600 given their size.

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Well the thing is with PC screens, you're usually looking at static images and text. So it's easy to see the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080. With HD video, it's usually moving objects with tens and hundreds of thousands of pixels, so it's less likely for the human eye to see if an object is represented by 10,000 pixels or 100,000 pixels. Viewing distance is much more important than computer monitors in this case.

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#14 Bozanimal
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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]

Since nobody else is answering your question: It is impossible for the human eye to discern a difference in video between 1080i and 1080p on screen sizes 42" or smaller. Regular HDTV - 720p or 1080i - is not discernable from standard definition on screen sizes below 27". This is assuming the viewer is sitting a normal distance from the TV for viewing video.

That being said, consumers using 42" screens or smaller as PC monitors might want 1080p for the additional resolution.

I have read this in a number of forums and articles, seen it in practice myself, and can confirm the SDTV vs. HDTV from my time working for Circuit City.

Boz

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yet your information is incorrect. i can tell the difference on my 40" lcd, although i sit on the lower end of the viewing distance.but fact most of the consensuses ive read have said anything under 40" its useless. to say its impossible to discern the difference is not completely accurate though.

Maybe you're right, or maybe I'm right. It all depends on the viewing distance.

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CNet argues against 1080p

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#15 ellimist109
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I too am having a similiar problem. Ive got my eyes set on a Samsung LN-T4065F, 40" 1080p LCD. But the more and more I research, the more I see I should either purchase a larger 1080p television or stick to 720p. Seeing as how that tv is the max my budget will allow, I think I may have to stick to a 720p tv. Though I'd hate to spend well over 1,000 and not get 1080p.

Keep the discussion going:)

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#16 kidkit
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If a budget is involved, you get more for your money if you stick with 720p. To me the decision comes down to content. If you plan on buying or renting a lot of HD Movies, then maybe 1080p is right for you. Otherwise, gaming and hd television is rarely offered at 1080p. Think of the TV you'll own 5 years from now ;), the one you buy today doesn't have to be too special.
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#17 TweakyChief
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40"+ is where ull see the difference is what i was told by a tv sales rep. i jsut bought a 37" 1080p Sharp Aquas today and well if u can afford a tv that has 1080p it dosent really matter the size,. my ps3 its great really nice. but until i get a hd reciever for my tv im missing out on the quality.
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#18 TimothyB
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What distance will you be watching at? That's the most important question...

No matter what the size, the detail is there, it doesn't magically disapper like some make it sound. I mean there are not 24inch PC LCD screens that have more pixels than 1080p for a reason, or 30inch PC LCDs with double, yes, double the resolution of 1080p.

So if you get a 40 something inch 1080p tv and set 11 feet away, it probably wouldn't make much difference over 720p, and that a 50inch 720p tv at 11 feet would be more enjoyable. If the tv is in a bedroom, like where I have a 32inch LCD that I might sit 3-4 feet away from in my desk chair, then heck use 1080p would be noticeable. I'm typing on a 20.1inch screen at 1680*1050, close to 1080p, and it's absolutly needed.

It's a like a newspaper, it has a lot of detail with small text and photos, but if you try to read it 10 feet away, obviously you won't have the eyes to read it anymore, so you lose all that detail, but it's still there, move closer, and you start to be able to read the text. Same goes with HDTVs.

Tell us the distance you plan to sit, and then we can determine if 1080p will make a difference.

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#19 Bozanimal
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Here you go, supplementing my prior reply where I had actual evidence to back up my statement. ;)