ATI and Nvidia accused of price fixing.

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#1 Marfoo
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http://www.techpowerup.com/65970/ATI_(AMD)_and_NVIDIA_Fix_Prices_in_the_US_****Action_Slapped_Against_them.html Pretty normal behavior when there are only two companies in the market, but it does make you a little angry when you think you could have had your card even cheaper. Also makes you wonder if the poor performance of the 2900XT, HD 3870 compared to the GeForce 8 was planned, and now the current HD 48xx vs GTX 2xx.
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#2 yoyo462001
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well this would make alot of things make sense, i will reserve judgement however.
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#3 swehunt
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"would explain by nvidia and amd are "buddying" when it comes to the cuda and phys"

If you read the user comment's post there are a whole bunch of clueless guys writing about the cuda and physx, thats all BS, Nvidia and ATi need to get together about the physics to get game developers to use it in their games, if not it will fall flat like the ageia physics did.

So what, they are the only actors out, ofc. they tend to get head to head with one and another, if not we will only have ONE actor on the market and then... (GFX/GPU = fail)

Price will always be in both companies intrest, they both want to get as much of our money as possible, and this is ofc. the way it works in all type of buizzines...

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#4 Marfoo
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"would explain by nvidia and amd are "buddying" when it comes to the cuda and phys"

If you read the user comment's post there are a whole bunch of clueless guys writing about the cuda and physx, thats all BS, Nvidia and ATi need to get together about the physics to get game developers to use it in their games, if not it will fall flat like the ageia physics did.

So what, they are the only actors out, ofc. they tend to get head to head with one and another, if not we will only have ONE actor on the market and then... (GFX/GPU = fail)

Price will always be in both companies intrest, they both want to get as much of our money as possible, and this is ofc. the way it works in all type of buizzines...

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Yeah, that PhysX talk is a bunch of trash, I think they are ACTUALLY competing in the physics market, but yes, one unified physics platform would be the best thing to do, they should just implement one into DirectX.
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#5 RayvinAzn
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Yeah, that PhysX talk is a bunch of trash, I think they are ACTUALLY competing in the physics market, but yes, one unified physics platform would be the best thing to do, they should just implement one into DirectX.Marfoo

We have two major graphics API's that work just fine on both ATI and Nvidia cards. There's no reason this couldn't be done with physics as well

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#6 deniiiii21
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Wow I mean I dont regret spending 300$ for 2 4850's but this is messed up I paid 450$ for 8800GTS 640mb, which was probably a rip off, no wonder you see cards that are just a hair better than competition, which kinda brings me to Crysis, I think they were in on this Crytek, I remember Cevat saying how affordable 8800GT was when it came out and its perfect for Crysis, they made a great looking game but it was optimized like crap, meaning you had to buy a crazy card to run it, I am pretty sure Crytek is in on this, Crysis is responsible for a lot of these high end cards.
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#7 deniiiii21
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And dont you just love the Nvidia logo when you start Crysis, green color meaning probably its all about the green, even if they break everyones pocket with their 650$ BS cards,
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#8 swehunt
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Wow I mean I dont regret spending 300$ for 2 4850's but this is messed up I paid 450$ for 8800GTS 640mb, which was probably a rip off, no wonder you see cards that are just a hair better than competition, which kinda brings me to Crysis, I think they were in on this Crytek, I remember Cevat saying how affordable 8800GT was when it came out and its perfect for Crysis, they made a great looking game but it was optimized like crap, meaning you had to buy a crazy card to run it, I am pretty sure Crytek is in on this, Crysis is responsible for a lot of these high end cards.deniiiii21

Im not with you on that crytek is the source to the evil, crytek did bring us the best looki'n game ever, and if it get the GFX/GPU developers bringi'n out better products that's awsome, there are only a few games out to challange even the medium priceranged cards.

We all want better stuff to use in our PC, thank crysis instead of blame it in this particular matter.

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#9 Swiftstrike5
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OWNED!

This made me laugh. I hope they both get smashed and I get a cheap 280GTX.

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#10 rob1101
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not really suprising just hope it stops and prices drop.
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I'm a bit more skeptical about this, personally. I'd be very interested to see what kind of proof the plaintiff provides. Release dates and MSRP are not exactly trade secrets and can be emulated legally by other companies in the market. Similar price ranges and release dates do not make a conspiracy.
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#13 Sirpimps
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Wow I mean I dont regret spending 300$ for 2 4850's but this is messed up I paid 450$ for 8800GTS 640mb, which was probably a rip off, no wonder you see cards that are just a hair better than competition, which kinda brings me to Crysis, I think they were in on this Crytek, I remember Cevat saying how affordable 8800GT was when it came out and its perfect for Crysis, they made a great looking game but it was optimized like crap, meaning you had to buy a crazy card to run it, I am pretty sure Crytek is in on this, Crysis is responsible for a lot of these high end cards.deniiiii21

Nobody to blame for purchasing these high end cards but yourselves. If you knew that Crysis was so poorly optimized and no card can still run it, dont play the damn game. Its just another FPS that looks nice.

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#14 hooded1man
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XFX and Evga are actually giving people back some money if they bought the GTX 280 in between June 16th and July 11th. I guess ill be getting some cash :P. I love the card none the less, and the reason I bought it was that my board doesn't support Xfire, which i plan on doing sli sometime when the prices drop a little more.
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#15 Swiftstrike5
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Seems like this topic is worthy of a bump.
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#16 s00kah
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that sounds huh .. paranoid ? :P
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#17 mechwarrior_bob
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OWNED!

This made me laugh. I hope they both get smashed and I get a cheap 280GTX.

Swiftstrike5

Hear hear!

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#18 Brainkiller05
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That sounds nutty. Either way no matter what they charge it will be overpriced though I'm not complaining if these suits lead to lower prices :lol: but it's like that with all technology... do you really think 120GBP mobile phones cost that much for the company to make? ofcourse not :P probably costs them like 10GBP. I hate GameSpot, doesn't allow me to do the pound sign, always gives me html errors but I bet every other user can type pound signs without problems -.-
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I'm a bit more skeptical about this, personally. I'd be very interested to see what kind of proof the plaintiff provides. Release dates and MSRP are not exactly trade secrets and can be emulated legally by other companies in the market. Similar price ranges and release dates do not make a conspiracy.iBP_Rickochet
getting together and deciding when to release cards is definitely illegal, because then your showing signs of being a cartel whether the information is public or not.
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#20 s00kah
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thats just rumours .... come on, a video card cartel ? laugh!
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#21 yoyo462001
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That sounds nutty. Either way no matter what they charge it will be overpriced though I'm not complaining if these suits lead to lower prices :lol: but it's like that with all technology... do you really think 120GBP mobile phones cost that much for the company to make? ofcourse not :P probably costs them like 10GBP. I hate GameSpot, doesn't allow me to do the pound sign, always gives me html errors but I bet every other user can type pound signs without problems -.-Brainkiller05
a company with less than 25% Market share could put the price of a good to 1 million or 1 pound it doesn't really matter, but when they arrange to this with other companies then its illegal.
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#22 f-a-d-3
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Wow! that sucks for us... whats the worst that will happen to ATi & Nvidia?
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#23 yoyo462001
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Wow! that sucks for us... whats the worst that will happen to ATi & Nvidia? f-a-d-3
USA tend to heavily fine firms that portray monopolistic of related type actions with an extremely heavy fine. (were talking millions)
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#24 Sooperhotshiz
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Once intel enters the market, it will only go downhill for those two. Not that Intel is any better than them though.
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#25 Makari
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It's a bit late, but I read the court doc and it's basically a load of bull. They picked out cards that were close in price, but nowhere near in performance.. for instance, they stated that the 'price fixing' started in December 2002, when ATi was in the middle of owning the living hell out of nVidia with the 9700 Pro cards. Other pieces of gold: - the 7900GS was a competitor the the X1650 Pro, according to their estimation - the 8800GTX was a competitor to the HD2900XT, despite everything else indicating ATi was gunning for the GTS'