Battle between AMD and Intel

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#1 JDV28
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I would just like to know your guys' oppinion on this. Which one do you like more? I love AMD and always will, but i want to hear some good arguments to that.
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#2 darx55
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whats the point of this,exactly?people will start talking fanboy bs..
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#3 johnny27
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intel has the undisputed performance crown period and all there processors OC well.

amd is better for a budget build and with the phenoms II they have great price to performance and are actually an option for enthusist unlike before the phenomII processors where intel was dominating amd in the higherend segment.

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#4 DJ_Lae
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Intel, simply because during the price wars I ended up buying computers when Intel had the price/performance advantage. Now I have AMD. Still, I do remember a time when my overclocked Celeron 300A (@450Mhz) stomped all over my friend's AMD K6-2 450 in Counterstrike.
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#5 JDV28
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Intel is, i guess, better for certain things, but look at their prices! For a gamer who isn't "rich" i think amd would make more sense. It gives you more bang for you buck.
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#6 Aldouz
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Intel is, i guess, better for certain things, but look at their prices! For a gamer who isn't "rich" i think amd would make more sense. It gives you more bang for you buck.JDV28
Yeah AMD CPU Quad Core /Dual Core is better for budget gamer...
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[QUOTE="JDV28"]Intel is, i guess, better for certain things, but look at their prices! For a gamer who isn't "rich" i think amd would make more sense. It gives you more bang for you buck.Aldouz
Yeah AMD CPU Quad Core /Dual Core is better for budget gamer...

I second that. Nothing beats a i7 right now...
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#8 machiavell8x8
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the main reason i ended up going intel I7 is because amd took so long to get their act together, i havn't checked but do they even have a black edition quad on AM3 yet lol....
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#9 muirplayer
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I've leaned toward AMD ever since I started building computers. They tend to not rape their customers pockets. They also keep their game clean, or at least I think. Intel was fined by the European Union for giving rebates to system builders for exclusively building Intel systems. Why play dirty when you're already on top? That's the way competition goes I guess. Maybe AMD has done some dirt too, I just haven't heard of it.
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#10 Aldouz
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[QUOTE="Aldouz"][QUOTE="JDV28"]Intel is, i guess, better for certain things, but look at their prices! For a gamer who isn't "rich" i think amd would make more sense. It gives you more bang for you buck.jtschmitz
Yeah AMD CPU Quad Core /Dual Core is better for budget gamer...

I second that. Nothing beats a i7 right now...

The best thing about i7 is the triple channel memory... so I think AMD CPU is better than Intel because their prices... maybe if AMD have quad channel memory they can beats i7 anytime...
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#11 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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You can score some deals off of some Intel processors too.

The Q8200 is very nicely priced imho.

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#12 markop2003
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Depends, it goes back and forth quite a lot, AMD had the best with the X2s then intel was the best with C2Ds now i think it's back to AMD as I7 kits are really expensive. It swings back and forth with video cards as well, currently ATI is in the lead i think which is good for AMD as there should be less people picking I7 because they want SLI.
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#13 cfwin
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It also has to do with positive and negative experiences. I previously used an AMD X2 3800 with an ATIx1950xt and never felt quite satisfied with performance and bugs and whatever. Since then I've exclusively used Intel/Nvidia and that has been working for me.

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#14 bluebusiness
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you should give amd a try again.
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#15 machiavell8x8
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Depends, it goes back and forth quite a lot, AMD had the best with the X2s then intel was the best with C2Ds now i think it's back to AMD as I7 kits are really expensive. It swings back and forth with video cards as well, currently ATI is in the lead i think which is good for AMD as there should be less people picking I7 because they want SLI.markop2003
why would GPU's have anything to do with picking I7's?? If anything more people will want I7 since you can use both SLI and Crossfire with x58 motherboards
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#16 jtschmitz
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Toms just did an article and they bottlenecked 2x 4890's with Phenom II X4 955.... Strange...

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#17 SinfulPotato
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One thing is for sure. AMD is clawing Market share from the big competitors on both fronts. Nvidia just got sucker punched when the 4000's come out.
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#18 Aldouz
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Depends, it goes back and forth quite a lot, AMD had the best with the X2s then intel was the best with C2Ds now i think it's back to AMD as I7 kits are really expensive. It swings back and forth with video cards as well, currently ATI is in the lead i think which is good for AMD as there should be less people picking I7 because they want SLI.machiavell8x8
why would GPU's have anything to do with picking I7's?? If anything more people will want I7 since you can use both SLI and Crossfire with x58 motherboards

People who want SLi will not buy AMD CPU...
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#19 Threesixtyci
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Intel is faster, AMD is cheaper....
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#20 Recontrooper
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I like AMD because I need to budget on my pc build I'm doing.
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#21 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Depends, it goes back and forth quite a lot, AMD had the best with the X2s then intel was the best with C2Ds now i think it's back to AMD as I7 kits are really expensive. It swings back and forth with video cards as well, currently ATI is in the lead i think which is good for AMD as there should be less people picking I7 because they want SLI.machiavell8x8
why would GPU's have anything to do with picking I7's?? If anything more people will want I7 since you can use both SLI and Crossfire with x58 motherboards

Not everyone wants both Crosfire and SLI, as ATI seems to be ahead in the graphics card market then it makes sense that people would save some cash and go for the cheaper AM3 option.
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#22 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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This summer I was going to buy an i7 since I had the money. But when I found about the i5s coming in the fall with their own mobo socket and that the core i7 920 will get discontinued, I decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE. SImilar gaming performance for much cheaper price. Good enough for me :)
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#23 machiavell8x8
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aw ok i see what you meant now, but just because ATI is ahead today doesn't mean they will be tomorrow. personally im all for amd and ati, but they flat out need to get there act's together, they are way to slow getting their competing products to market. So maybe nvidia releases something pretty cool in the future, x58 gives you that option. but soon as those phenom II's came out intel pushed the I7's like they were in their back pockets the entire time. which wouldn't have been a problem if amd weren't trying to milk that AM2 motherboard
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#24 machiavell8x8
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This summer I was going to buy an i7 since I had the money. But when I found about the i5s coming in the fall with their own mobo socket and that the core i7 920 will get discontinued, I decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE. SImilar gaming performance for much cheaper price. Good enough for me :)the_ChEeSe_mAn2
the I5's are the cheaper versions of the I7, to my knowledge the I7's will be around for a while, and they will be releaseing a 6core version i believe end of this year. so even thow the 920 might get discontinued it most likely will be replaced by something better and for the same socket unless something has changed i don't know about
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#25 markop2003
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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]This summer I was going to buy an i7 since I had the money. But when I found about the i5s coming in the fall with their own mobo socket and that the core i7 920 will get discontinued, I decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE. SImilar gaming performance for much cheaper price. Good enough for me :)machiavell8x8
the I5's are the cheaper versions of the I7, to my knowledge the I7's will be around for a while, and they will be releaseing a 6core version i believe end of this year. so even thow the 920 might get discontinued it most likely will be replaced by something better and for the same socket unless something has changed i don't know about

6 cores is pointless, few programs take advantage of even quad cores i can only see it being useful in those dual CPU Xeon based systems
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#26 SinfulPotato
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[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]This summer I was going to buy an i7 since I had the money. But when I found about the i5s coming in the fall with their own mobo socket and that the core i7 920 will get discontinued, I decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE. SImilar gaming performance for much cheaper price. Good enough for me :)markop2003
the I5's are the cheaper versions of the I7, to my knowledge the I7's will be around for a while, and they will be releaseing a 6core version i believe end of this year. so even thow the 920 might get discontinued it most likely will be replaced by something better and for the same socket unless something has changed i don't know about

6 cores is pointless, few programs take advantage of even quad cores i can only see it being useful in those dual CPU Xeon based systems

Shhh, don't say that. Those people (Who don't exsist, but somehow manage to post here...) that like to encode 12 movie while playing crysis will flame you!
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#27 machiavell8x8
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there's a difference between duel core and quad core when playing games too, like GTAIV. and as stated encoding shows some improvment as well. and if you can get a 6 core for about the same price as a quad then wouldn't you get it? i mean, software has been slow catching up to multicores but i think it might start picking up the pace here, its bound to happen sometime anyway lol

don't get me wrong tho im not saying anyone should upgrade from a good quad to a 6'er

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#28 MCSIRLOIN
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I went with the Intel Core i7 this time around just because the ability to have SLI or Crossfire in my build. This was a selling point for me because I'm not a fan of either Nvidia or ATI, I just go for whats the best at the moment and the same goes for CPU's. I went with AMD on my first build and was extremely satisfied with AMD back in the single processor days and I had a difficult time deciding between the Phenom II 955BE or the Core i7 as they are both great processors for gaming.

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#29 SinfulPotato
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there's a difference between duel core and quad core when playing games too, like GTAIV. and as stated encoding shows some improvment as well. and if you can get a 6 core for about the same price as a quad then wouldn't you get it? i mean, software has been slow catching up to multicores but i think it might start picking up the pace here, its bound to happen sometime anyway lol

don't get me wrong tho im not saying anyone should upgrade from a good quad to a 6'er

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I'd rather get a cheaper high clocked Dual because the only thing I do on my PC is play games and surf the net. Nothing else. AMD really has that market right now. Intel can learn something from AMD and ship those CPS that have cores that don't pass inspection as Tri and Duals.
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#30 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]This summer I was going to buy an i7 since I had the money. But when I found about the i5s coming in the fall with their own mobo socket and that the core i7 920 will get discontinued, I decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE. SImilar gaming performance for much cheaper price. Good enough for me :)machiavell8x8
the I5's are the cheaper versions of the I7, to my knowledge the I7's will be around for a while, and they will be releaseing a 6core version i believe end of this year. so even thow the 920 might get discontinued it most likely will be replaced by something better and for the same socket unless something has changed i don't know about

This article http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3570 made me change my mind about picking intel.

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#31 JDV28
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Personally, i find it outrageous to pay THAT MUCH extra, for a cpu that has a slower clock speed, and isnt as good for gaming. I would never even consider intel. AMD is just as great, with just as much good CPUs, but they dont try to steal every last penny out of your bank account.
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#32 goleafsguy
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Personally, i find it outrageous to pay THAT MUCH extra, for a cpu that has a slower clock speed, and isnt as good for gaming. I would never even consider intel. AMD is just as great, with just as much good CPUs, but they dont try to steal every last penny out of your bank account.JDV28

Hate to burst your bubble but the i7 is the performance king even with the lower clock speeds an i7 920 will bear any amd processor, and it is the best processor for gaming (i'm not talking about price/performance or anything, just performance.)

I take intel simply because right now they have the best technology by far, I mean think about it, Amd was only able to catch up to around kentsfield/yorkfield level and Kentsfield is over 2 years old, with Nehalem I think the reason we haven't seen them start to dominate the other processors in games as they do in everything else is because the software hasn't caught up.

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#33 ryokinshin6x3
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Ati and AMD know what the meaning of price/performance means and they are going to rule the market.
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#34 Daytona_178
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With graphics cards i normally prefer NVIDIA because of their unique benefits like CUDA and loads of other stuff....but with CPU's its just a case of price/performance....i see no point in having a favorite.

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#35 machiavell8x8
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Ati and AMD know what the meaning of price/performance means and they are going to rule the market.ryokinshin6x3
i like amd, but honestly they look closer to croaking than anything, if you look on newegg what do you notice http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=REVIEWS the biggest reason i say that is how slow they are to release cpu's, i notice they finally have a AM3 quad BE and thats great n all, but i honestly think they are just to late and it feels like it took everything they had to make it happen
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#36 ryokinshin6x3
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This has got to be the dumbest and worst fanboy bias....lmao, you 2 continue thinking like that and I guess this is why Nvidia and Intel will continue to charge as much as they want, we prefer it.

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#37 TerroRizing
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I have always liked amd, I havent had a bad experience yet.

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#38 machiavell8x8
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This has got to be the dumbest and worst fanboy bias....lmao, you 2 continue thinking like that and I guess this is why Nvidia and Intel will continue to charge as much as they want, we prefer it.

ryokinshin6x3

ryokin what you wrote was alot more bias than me and how can i be bias if i admit i prefer amd, how can you say amd is going to rule the market when they clearly arn't and don't even show any signs. it took them a god aweful long time to get that BE AM3, how far do you think they will be behind next round?

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#39 Mitjastiskovski
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I prefer AMD. I dislike Intel cause they are way to expensive and whats with this crap i3, i5, i7.... How many freaking sockets do you need? Can't you keep it simple like AM3.

One socket should be enought, three is a joke IMO.

Plus who needs i7. Sure its a beast of a platform but what's the point since you hardly need this power, you are just paying more while AMD can provide pretty much the same experience. In general task you can't tell the difference between Intel/AMD so why pay more for crap you don't need?

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#40 SinfulPotato
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I prefer AMD. I dislike Intel cause they are way to expensive and whats with this crap i3, i5, i7.... How many freaking sockets do you need? Can't you keep it simple like AMD3.

One socket should be enought, three is a joke IMO.

Plus who needs i7. Sure its a beast of a platform but what's the point since you hardly need this power, you are just paying more while AMD can provide pretty much the same experience. In general task you can't tell the difference between Intel/AMD so why pay more for crap you don't need?

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#41 JasperTech
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I dont 'like' any company. Why? Because they take my money! But honestly i just want the best performance, right now intel gives me that performance.
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#42 Electro057
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I bought an intel cause I like blue.........j/k

I bought an intel cause I like Nvidia and I have this notion that if I buy an AMD and an Nvidia card it will cause the card to spontaneously combust cause of the hate. So I think intel is better in short.

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#43 chessmaster1989
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If I wanted to spend extra money, I'd get the Intel core i7. I'm building a rig atm and don't feel like going for the i7, so I'm getting the AMD Phenom II X4 (quad-core) at 3.0GHz. Only cost me $190, same as the Intel Quad-core 2.66 or the Intel Core 2 Duo 3.2.
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#44 -GeordiLaForge-
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I buy the best performing CPU on the market that I can afford. Last gen, it was AMD (Athlon 64). This gen, it was Intel (Core 2 Duo). But I'm glad to see that AMD is back in the game, as I'm really looking forward to the day when they start really taking advantage of acquiring ATI...
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#45 Staryoshi87
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First off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dYpnd_9TFs

Second: There is no denying that Intel is strongly ahead of the curve in terms of its technology. AMD tries to compete by offering strong price/performance products, mainly geared toward mainstream and low-end consumer cpus.

Both provide their various products at varying prices, but this is a general, acceptable rule.

It really just comes down to what amount of $$$ you're willing to spend and the price/perf ratios of the CPUs within that range, which varies as new tech emerges.

For my (I'd like to think it's somewhat high-end) gaming machine, I went with Intel. My E8500 @ 3.8Ghz is not a bottleneck for any game out there.

I just ordered a second set of parts to build a moderate AMD rig (mostly for fun). Phenom X2 550 (Hope to unlock at least one core), 4GB Ram, Biostar TA790GX (or something), HD4670, etc. Not a world killer, but nice for mid-range gaming.

Buy whichever brand you prefer, but smart consumers will buy the best in their price range that does what they want it to do, not the brand. (Buying AMD because it isn't Intel does not a savvy consumer make :D)

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#46 bike749
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due this year core i3 core i5 and also 6 core end of 2009, today as you all know intel king right now.

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#47 jtschmitz
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I think that AMD positioned themselves perfectly right now. It is an interesting discussion because it goes far beyond one processor vs. the next. It is budgeting, marketing, planning, strategy, and technology. If AMD had a processor that could compete with the i7 but cost as much they would release it right??? Right? I am not so sure. But that's just my opinion. Being biased and fan-boy like about one system or another is just silly. Geeks and their prejudices :)

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#48 sentenced83
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i heard that the Phenom 2 is competting with the i7 (on some level)

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#49 jtschmitz
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i heard that the Phenom 2 is competting with the i7 (on some level)

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True, and they are doing it cheaper and thats what I meant. AMD might have a chip (I guess I just refuse to believe they don't have the tech) but it might not be economically feasible to release right now, or there analysts are telling them or maybe i'm crazy and don't know anything. :)

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#50 SinfulPotato
Member since 2005 • 1381 Posts

i heard that the Phenom 2 is competting with the i7 (on some level)

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In many gaming benches the Phenom II X4 955 is out doing the i7.