Benchmark: AGP vs PCIe

Source: CHIP magazine

website: www.chip.com.sg

Our test on a few of the PCI-e graphics cards show a lack of PCI-Express dominance.  In terms of performance, the PCI-Express cards perform similarly with the AGP 8x cards.  In previou tests, we surmised that the presence of a HIS bridge brought minimal impact to the performance of bridged cards versus natively PCI-Express cards.  The AGP to PCI-Express bottleneck was not a factor at all.

for my point of view ... AGP cards heats faster and PCI-e cards heats slow in a certain of time.  I also do test before when im still using AGP cards(AGP geforce FX5500) with my PCI-e(PCI-e geforce 7600GS) that im using today. 

i test an AGP 7600GS with my PCI-E 7600GS and they do run smoothly with the game i tested (C&C3).  But after a while i played ffor 3 hours, AGP 7600GS card runs the game slow because of overheating but with PIC-E after 3 hours, it runs well.

Or that could just be your case cooling.RikkAndrsn

nope. 

[QUOTE="RikkAndrsn"]Or that could just be your case cooling.nic4games

nope.

 AGP Not Dead yet with DirectX 10 Radeon HD 2400 Pro, 2600Pro and 2600XT.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39722

AGP cards run hotter because most of them have a bridge chip - that converts from PCI-E to AGP.Cyborg-21

You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:

roulettethedog

You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:

roulettethedog

i think your over reacting about this?  This is not about dx10 and 8800...

You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:roulettethedog

We are talking about no card needing more then the 8x bandwidth that AGP has to offer.

Going from a PCI-e 16x card/slot to the same card with an AGP card/slot the performance is very similar.  No card needs the 16x that PCI-e has to offer, as demonstrated by the benchmarks of 8800GTX running on an SLI 8x board and then on a SLI 16x board.

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:LordEC911

We are talking about no card needing more then the 8x bandwidth that AGP has to offer.

Going from a PCI-e 16x card/slot to the same card with an AGP card/slot the performance is very similar.  No card needs the 16x that PCI-e has to offer, as demonstrated by the benchmarks of 8800GTX running on an SLI 8x board and then on a SLI 16x board.

as always, accurate.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:roulettethedog

We are talking about no card needing more then the 8x bandwidth that AGP has to offer.

Going from a PCI-e 16x card/slot to the same card with an AGP card/slot the performance is very similar.  No card needs the 16x that PCI-e has to offer, as demonstrated by the benchmarks of 8800GTX running on an SLI 8x board and then on a SLI 16x board.

I know that I over dramatised it,but the simple fact is that newer games require faster C.P.U.'s and almost all the mobo's out now are pci-express, so the original posters argument is irrelevant. Having a Core2 or X2 C.P.U. for a minimum requirement is not that far off.

 then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it?  It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still.  And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards.  Am i correct?

forget AGP if they really wanted to they probably could make a card run just as fast as pci-e using a regular pci interface.Random__Guy

Not really... 

[QUOTE="Random__Guy"]forget AGP if they really wanted to they probably could make a card run just as fast as pci-e using a regular pci interface.LordEC911

Not really...

All they gotta do is raise the pci bus speed.

Plus most motherboards have at least 3 PCI slots, you could make a card that connects to all 3 slots and that would effectively triple the bandwidth right there.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Random__Guy"]forget AGP if they really wanted to they probably could make a card run just as fast as pci-e using a regular pci interface.Random__Guy

Not really...

All they gotta do is raise the pci bus speed.

[QUOTE="nic4games"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:roulettethedog

We are talking about no card needing more then the 8x bandwidth that AGP has to offer.

Going from a PCI-e 16x card/slot to the same card with an AGP card/slot the performance is very similar.  No card needs the 16x that PCI-e has to offer, as demonstrated by the benchmarks of 8800GTX running on an SLI 8x board and then on a SLI 16x board.

I know that I over dramatised it,but the simple fact is that newer games require faster C.P.U.'s and almost all the mobo's out now are pci-express, so the original posters argument is irrelevant. Having a Core2 or X2 C.P.U. for a minimum requirement is not that far off.

 then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it?  It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still.  And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards.  Am i correct?

As long as there is a market for AGP cards, companies will make AGP. The AGP market will die off once new games requirements for C.P.U.'s are higher then the old AGP mobo's can handle. Heck there is still a pci video card market.:D

AGP cards will still survive ten years or so...

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"][QUOTE="nic4games"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]You are trying to tell me that the 8800gtx is not much better then any AGP card.:roll: What cards were compared ,at what resolution, and what games were these cards tested on? Your like is a dead one like your argument.:lol:nic4games

We are talking about no card needing more then the 8x bandwidth that AGP has to offer.

Going from a PCI-e 16x card/slot to the same card with an AGP card/slot the performance is very similar.  No card needs the 16x that PCI-e has to offer, as demonstrated by the benchmarks of 8800GTX running on an SLI 8x board and then on a SLI 16x board.

I know that I over dramatised it,but the simple fact is that newer games require faster C.P.U.'s and almost all the mobo's out now are pci-express, so the original posters argument is irrelevant. Having a Core2 or X2 C.P.U. for a minimum requirement is not that far off.

 then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it?  It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still.  And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards.  Am i correct?

As long as there is a market for AGP cards, companies will make AGP. The AGP market will die off once new games requirements for C.P.U.'s are higher then the old AGP mobo's can handle. Heck there is still a pci video card market.:D

AGP cards will still survive ten years or so...

are PCI cards bought anymore, are they.no sir, the AGP cards will survive as long as the CPU requirements stay in single core territory

are PCI cards bought anymore, are they.no sir, the AGP cards will survive as long as the CPU requirements stay in single core territory

saifiii

What about these?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-005-AK&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat= 

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=0&model=1276&modelmenu=1

So "nic4games" you are sayng that difference betwen agp and pci-e is none or minor right

exept the heating (i mean comparing with the card of same ****ex. 7600gs agp vs 7600gs pci-e) because i have 7600gs agp and i'm about to buy now an sapphire 2600xt agp(it will cost me less then upgrading to pci-e and i will gain about 50% better performance:), so acording to you i wont lose performance with the new 2600xt agp comparing to 2600xt pci-e exept in heating right ?

I don't know this was mentioned but when PCI-E 16x came out, the AGP 8x only ran at 4x because the boards couldn't run it. As a result PCI-E 16x cards ran at 8x for a while. I believe that both the AGP 8x and the PCI-E 16x still run at 8x. The PCI-E cards still have more bus memory or something. I have a AGP card and it runs just as fast as it's PCI-E conterparts.

Corect me if I'm wrong, I read this somewhere.

I don't know this was mentioned but when PCI-E 16x came out, the AGP 8x only ran at 4x because the boards couldn't run it. As a result PCI-E 16x cards ran at 8x for a while. I believe that both the AGP 8x and the PCI-E 16x still run at 8x. The PCI-E cards still have more bus memory or something. I have a AGP card and it runs just as fast as it's PCI-E conterparts.

Corect me if I'm wrong, I read this somewhere.

Angry_Bosmer

Cool then

So you believe i wont lose performance with 2600xt agp comparing to 2600xt pci-e

Btw what gpu you have and what are it scores

thanks in advance

[QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"]

I don't know this was mentioned but when PCI-E 16x came out, the AGP 8x only ran at 4x because the boards couldn't run it. As a result PCI-E 16x cards ran at 8x for a while. I believe that both the AGP 8x and the PCI-E 16x still run at 8x. The PCI-E cards still have more bus memory or something. I have a AGP card and it runs just as fast as it's PCI-E conterparts.

Corect me if I'm wrong, I read this somewhere.

loli_17_florian

Cool then

So you believe i wont lose performance with 2600xt agp comparing to 2600xt pci-e

Btw what gpu you have and what are it scores

thanks in advance

The same one: a hd 2600XT AGP. But since PCI-E is obsolete you sould do like me and plan for something new. But the hd 2600Xt is a good card. I play Crysis smoothly on med with 800x600 and 2x AA. Also On max res I get 14000 in GLexcess on max res. It's a good free benchmark.

http://www.glexcess.com/

[QUOTE="loli_17_florian"][QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"]

I don't know this was mentioned but when PCI-E 16x came out, the AGP 8x only ran at 4x because the boards couldn't run it. As a result PCI-E 16x cards ran at 8x for a while. I believe that both the AGP 8x and the PCI-E 16x still run at 8x. The PCI-E cards still have more bus memory or something. I have a AGP card and it runs just as fast as it's PCI-E conterparts.

Corect me if I'm wrong, I read this somewhere.

Angry_Bosmer

Cool then

So you believe i wont lose performance with 2600xt agp comparing to 2600xt pci-e

Btw what gpu you have and what are it scores

thanks in advance

The same one: a hd 2600XT AGP. But since PCI-E is obsolete you sould do like me and plan for something new. But the hd 2600Xt is a good card. I play Crysis smoothly on med with 800x600 and 2x AA. Also On max res I get 14000 in GLexcess on max res. It's a good free benchmark.

http://www.glexcess.com/

wow... i didnt expect that 2600xt can run crysis smoothly on med with 800x600 and 2x AA i'm very happy about it :), thanks for the information , i will try that GLexcess too. Btw my pc specs are : cpu: 3.0Ghz 1mb cache , 2gb ram

(4x512 mb ddr 400mhz) , 7600gs 256mb (i will buy these days 2600xt 256mb) And once again thanks for replying

Hey "Angry_Bosmer" just one more question. Did you run your card (2600xt agp) on 3dmark 05 or 06 and if yes than with what cpu and ram

thanks in advance

PCI-E is super overkill. We should still be using AGP.Hellsing2o2

Hey "Angry_Bosmer" just one more question. Did you run your card (2600xt agp) on 3dmark 05 or 06 and if yes than with what cpu and ram

thanks in advance

loli_17_florian

No, I didn't geta copy of 3dmark.

If you want a good AGP card:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HIS-A385_5

thats much better!

PCI-E is super overkill. We should still be using AGP.Hellsing2o2

But Asus, MSI and friends have to sell more mobos, notice they don't make agp cards yet sapphire and HIS still make them.

[QUOTE="loli_17_florian"]

Hey "Angry_Bosmer" just one more question. Did you run your card (2600xt agp) on 3dmark 05 or 06 and if yes than with what cpu and ram

thanks in advance

Angry_Bosmer

No, I didn't geta copy of 3dmark.

If you want a good AGP card:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HIS-A385_5

thats much better!

Heh yeah i know the HD3850 it is much better but i'm not going to spend that much about agp :p thanks anyway

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]PCI-E is super overkill. We should still be using AGP.Makari

Theoretically, PCI-E is souposse to run twice as fast like I said earlier. But they don't, still we have to upgrade. It's when Gamecube players are forced to buy a Wii to get the new games.

[QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"][QUOTE="loli_17_florian"]

Hey "Angry_Bosmer" just one more question. Did you run your card (2600xt agp) on 3dmark 05 or 06 and if yes than with what cpu and ram

thanks in advance

loli_17_florian

No, I didn't geta copy of 3dmark.

If you want a good AGP card:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HIS-A385_5

thats much better!

Heh yeah i know the HD3850 it is much better but i'm not going to spend that much about agp :p thanks anyway

Then the 2600XT is perfect. :)

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

nic4games

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

[QUOTE="nic4games"]

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

swehunt

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

Actualy most of the time it just seems faster. All the companies want is us to buy new CPUs, GPUs, mobos and RAM with the promis of speed. Like I said about PCI-E, it doesn't run at the speeds they're ment to be ran at because either the drivers can't take it, the OS can't take it, the programs/games don't use it or the mobo can't. Like quad cores a 3.0Ghz quad core vs a 3.0Ghz dual core scored the same. Why did Agia Phyxs not work on anything, nothing supported it. Ok some games did like GRAW and UT III.

[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]PCI-E is super overkill. We should still be using AGP.Makari

I never knew about that. Makes alot more sense. I thought PCI-E was all about being faster which I thought was so stupid.

[QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="nic4games"]

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

Angry_Bosmer

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

Actualy most of the time it just seems faster. All the companies want is us to buy new CPUs, GPUs, mobos and RAM with the promis of speed. Like I said about PCI-E, it doesn't run at the speeds they're ment to be ran at because either the drivers can't take it, the OS can't take it, the programs/games don't use it or the mobo can't. Like quad cores a 3.0Ghz quad core vs a 3.0Ghz dual core scored the same. Why did Agia Phyxs not work on anything, nothing supported it. Ok some games did like GRAW and UT III.

First, dont mix Drivers/programs/ageia physix against AGP vs. PCIe they have nothing to do with eachother, nor does CPU quad or dualcore, that means 0 to AGP vs. PCIe.

What we are writing on is just the way the cards communicate to the rest of your hardware and wether it's a needed to go ahead before somthing is limmited by an old standard.

Ofc. a card that supports PCIe 2.0 is not dubble the speed of what a PCIe card is, thats just the highest possible speed before the limmit is maxed out, but AGP has it's limmit already filled by fast cards today.

It's time to move on to a faster medium before it reach to the maximum, it's not really matter of it's needed for this or that card.

What it's all about is to be able to have the movment in advance, or else we "kill" the market. If someone didn't move on from PCI we would not be able to do very much at all with GFX today and still sit with our horrible bad PCI cards. :?

AGP has cards able to be limmited by it's bandwidth, PCIe is not very far away either, PCIe 2.0 is taking over the standard now but PCIe v2.0 will be outdated someday also and somthing new would be the standard before PCIe v2.0 has reach it's limmit.

To say "it was better before" in related to PC's is just wrong!

Syntax Error :D

[QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"][QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="nic4games"]

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

swehunt

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

Actualy most of the time it just seems faster. All the companies want is us to buy new CPUs, GPUs, mobos and RAM with the promis of speed. Like I said about PCI-E, it doesn't run at the speeds they're ment to be ran at because either the drivers can't take it, the OS can't take it, the programs/games don't use it or the mobo can't. Like quad cores a 3.0Ghz quad core vs a 3.0Ghz dual core scored the same. Why did Agia Phyxs not work on anything, nothing supported it. Ok some games did like GRAW and UT III.

First, dont mix Drivers/programs/ageia physix against AGP vs. PCIe they have nothing to do with eachother, nor does CPU quad or dualcore, that means 0 to AGP vs. PCIe.

What we are writing on is just the way the cards communicate to the rest of your hardware and wether it's a needed to go ahead before somthing is limmited by an old standard.

Ofc. a card that supports PCIe 2.0 is not dubble the speed of what a PCIe card is, thats just the highest possible speed before the limmit is maxed out, but AGP has it's limmit already filled by fast cards today.

It's time to move on to a faster medium before it reach to the maximum, it's not really matter of it's needed for this or that card.

What it's all about is to be able to have the movment in advance, or else we "kill" the market. If someone didn't move on from PCI we would not be able to do very much at all with GFX today and still sit with our horrible bad PCI cards. :?

AGP has cards able to be limmited by it's bandwidth, PCIe is not very far away either, PCIe 2.0 is taking over the standard now but PCIe v2.0 will be outdated someday also and somthing new would be the standard before PCIe v2.0 has reach it's limmit.

To say "it was better before" in related to PC's is just wrong!

Syntax Error :D

OK, I'm for PCI-E but I just pointed out that it's mainly a marketing skeem like quad core and friends. The present PCI-E runs at the same speed as the AGP. But now is the time to go PCI-E because ATI will stop making AGP.

[QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"][QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="nic4games"]

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

Angry_Bosmer

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

Actualy most of the time it just seems faster. All the companies want is us to buy new CPUs, GPUs, mobos and RAM with the promis of speed. Like I said about PCI-E, it doesn't run at the speeds they're ment to be ran at because either the drivers can't take it, the OS can't take it, the programs/games don't use it or the mobo can't. Like quad cores a 3.0Ghz quad core vs a 3.0Ghz dual core scored the same. Why did Agia Phyxs not work on anything, nothing supported it. Ok some games did like GRAW and UT III.

First, dont mix Drivers/programs/ageia physix against AGP vs. PCIe they have nothing to do with eachother, nor does CPU quad or dualcore, that means 0 to AGP vs. PCIe.

What we are writing on is just the way the cards communicate to the rest of your hardware and wether it's a needed to go ahead before somthing is limmited by an old standard.

Ofc. a card that supports PCIe 2.0 is not dubble the speed of what a PCIe card is, thats just the highest possible speed before the limmit is maxed out, but AGP has it's limmit already filled by fast cards today.

It's time to move on to a faster medium before it reach to the maximum, it's not really matter of it's needed for this or that card.

What it's all about is to be able to have the movment in advance, or else we "kill" the market. If someone didn't move on from PCI we would not be able to do very much at all with GFX today and still sit with our horrible bad PCI cards. :?

AGP has cards able to be limmited by it's bandwidth, PCIe is not very far away either, PCIe 2.0 is taking over the standard now but PCIe v2.0 will be outdated someday also and somthing new would be the standard before PCIe v2.0 has reach it's limmit.

To say "it was better before" in related to PC's is just wrong!

Syntax Error :D

OK, I'm for PCI-E but I just pointed out that it's mainly a marketing skeem like quad core and friends. The present PCI-E runs at the same speed as the AGP. But now is the time to go PCI-E because ATI will stop making AGP.

Yes I agree on that, you are correct, they want to get to our money, and sometimes they scam us to get it, but thats not the case of why AGP was outtaken by PCIe. :)

Someone wrote (makari) that it was because of that PCIe is cheaper to produce, thats true but PCIe also has the capabillity to move 4times as much data per second and in both directions, and PCIe is a much simpler design and has less problem dou to the making of PCB.

[QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"][QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="Angry_Bosmer"][QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="nic4games"]

then why some manufacturers still manufacture AGP cards? Like geforce 7950 AGP

if you said that PCIe already outfaced AGP then why some manufacturers still manufacture it? It means that AGP is still alive and can be used still. And i think, AGP will only be outface if the manufacturers themselves will stop making AGP cards. Am i correct?

swehunt

It's time to stop for this utterly stupid thinking.

Ofc. the makers of hardware want to milk the people as much as they can, and thats what they do.

AGP still is alive because someone (or more some few) still want to get a little better hardware for their OLD PC.

Why are we having LGA775 soon to be replaced by the nahalem socket?

Why did AGP replace PCI, and why did PCIe replace AGP?

It's faster!, when the bandwidth are not enough to handle the next card out it's time to move on to a faster medium, this is the way it always has been in the PC's whole liftime, and this is the way it will be for many, many years ahead.

If you don't move on to faster bandwidth all hardware will stall and stop evolving.

...Or I guess you can go play with a Spectrum or Commondore 64 cos thats even older than AGP. O.o

Actualy most of the time it just seems faster. All the companies want is us to buy new CPUs, GPUs, mobos and RAM with the promis of speed. Like I said about PCI-E, it doesn't run at the speeds they're ment to be ran at because either the drivers can't take it, the OS can't take it, the programs/games don't use it or the mobo can't. Like quad cores a 3.0Ghz quad core vs a 3.0Ghz dual core scored the same. Why did Agia Phyxs not work on anything, nothing supported it. Ok some games did like GRAW and UT III.

First, dont mix Drivers/programs/ageia physix against AGP vs. PCIe they have nothing to do with eachother, nor does CPU quad or dualcore, that means 0 to AGP vs. PCIe.

What we are writing on is just the way the cards communicate to the rest of your hardware and wether it's a needed to go ahead before somthing is limmited by an old standard.

Ofc. a card that supports PCIe 2.0 is not dubble the speed of what a PCIe card is, thats just the highest possible speed before the limmit is maxed out, but AGP has it's limmit already filled by fast cards today.

It's time to move on to a faster medium before it reach to the maximum, it's not really matter of it's needed for this or that card.

What it's all about is to be able to have the movment in advance, or else we "kill" the market. If someone didn't move on from PCI we would not be able to do very much at all with GFX today and still sit with our horrible bad PCI cards. :?

AGP has cards able to be limmited by it's bandwidth, PCIe is not very far away either, PCIe 2.0 is taking over the standard now but PCIe v2.0 will be outdated someday also and somthing new would be the standard before PCIe v2.0 has reach it's limmit.

To say "it was better before" in related to PC's is just wrong!

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OK, I'm for PCI-E but I just pointed out that it's mainly a marketing skeem like quad core and friends. The present PCI-E runs at the same speed as the AGP. But now is the time to go PCI-E because ATI will stop making AGP.

Yes I agree on that, you are correct, they want to get to our money, and sometimes they scam us to get it, but thats not the case of why AGP was outtaken by PCIe. :)

Someone wrote (makari) that it was because of that PCIe is cheaper to produce, thats true but PCIe also has the capabillity to move 4times as much data per second and in both directions, and PCIe is a much simpler design and has less problem dou to the making of PCB.

I agree.