Best headphones for $300-400?

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#1 kris9031998
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Was thinking of these , because they are on sale...and they're sennheisers.

Is there anything better?

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My understanding is that the Denon AHD-2000 is the "best" headphone in that range. It's subjective, though, since the Denon is flatter in some areas and the Sennheiser in others (generally you want a perfectly flat response):

Further, you'll need a good Headphone Amp to power them (that's NVIDIATI's department).

Good luck,

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Depends on the sound you like. There are quite a few headphones in the same quality tier, but with very different sounds to appeal to different people . My choice would be the Grado SR325is because I listen to tons of rock and metal, but I own the HD650s and they are pretty fantastic, but I can finally agree- only get them if you're going to properly amp them.
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#4 kris9031998
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My understanding is that the Denon AHD-2000 is the "best" headphone in that range. It's subjective, though, since the Denon is flatter in some areas and the Sennheiser in others (generally you want a perfectly flat response):

Further, you'll need a good Headphone Amp to power them (that's NVIDIATI's department).

Good luck,

Boz

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Depends on the sound you like. There are quite a few headphones in the same quality tier, but with very different sounds to appeal to different people . My choice would be the Grado SR325is because I listen to tons of rock and metal, but I own the HD650s and they are pretty fantastic, but I can finally agree- only get them if you're going to properly amp them. DivergeUnify

Do you mean like how the guy above said? As in, i need a good one to get a nice, proper sound of how its supposed to sound like or what?

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When you're getting into that price range, you not only need to budget for the headphone itself, but the amplifier to drive it. The HD650 is said to be rather insensitive; you'd want something along the lines of a FiiO E9 at the minimum. You might be able to get a Stax Lambda system of some sort for that much, depending on current used offerings. I really like mine for the sense of atmosphere and clarity it conveys, but there's something about electrostatics in general that many people may never be able to adjust to...quoth this review:

First thing I have to tell you. If you are, like me, coming from a dynamic background you have to leave your preconceived notion of presentation of bass behind. The stax system does not push air into your ear canal, in fact it presents it just outside your ear giving a slightly brighter presentation, fantastic detail and attack but perhaps not any bass slam. Now when I say bass slam I mean oomph not bass itself. This is what I mean - you have to re-educate yourself on how bass is really presented to the listener as more of an extension into the mix to give depth where needed or to emphasize a moment. This means you understand bass is there - in shed loads if I may say so, but not in a slam slam manner, but more in a deep cavernous manner designed to broaden what already is a massive sound stage.

This actually brings to light another important point, and it's that different headphones have different sound signatures. Some have pounding bass, others have lots of treble, still others make the vocals in the midrange jump out from the rest of the music. Some headphones like to have the sound just flow more into your ear, while others will force it in. If you tell us what you're going to be listening to with these headphones (music genres, games, etc.) and any particular requirements (such as isolation; open-back headphones leak sound in and out, which can be both bothersome and beneficial if you live with others), it'll help us recommend you models more to your taste.
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#6 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]

My understanding is that the Denon AHD-2000 is the "best" headphone in that range. It's subjective, though, since the Denon is flatter in some areas and the Sennheiser in others (generally you want a perfectly flat response):

Further, you'll need a good Headphone Amp to power them (that's NVIDIATI's department).

Good luck,

Boz

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Want amp do you recommend?

Depends on the sound you like. There are quite a few headphones in the same quality tier, but with very different sounds to appeal to different people . My choice would be the Grado SR325is because I listen to tons of rock and metal, but I own the HD650s and they are pretty fantastic, but I can finally agree- only get them if you're going to properly amp them. DivergeUnify

Do you mean like how the guy above said? As in, i need a good one to get a nice, proper sound of how its supposed to sound like or what?

Correct

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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]When you're getting into that price range, you not only need to budget for the headphone itself, but the amplifier to drive it. The HD650 is said to be rather insensitive; you'd want something along the lines of a FiiO E9 at the minimum. You might be able to get a Stax Lambda system of some sort for that much, depending on current used offerings. I really like mine for the sense of atmosphere and clarity it conveys, but there's something about electrostatics in general that many people may never be able to adjust to...quoth this review:

First thing I have to tell you. If you are, like me, coming from a dynamic background you have to leave your preconceived notion of presentation of bass behind. The stax system does not push air into your ear canal, in fact it presents it just outside your ear giving a slightly brighter presentation, fantastic detail and attack but perhaps not any bass slam. Now when I say bass slam I mean oomph not bass itself. This is what I mean - you have to re-educate yourself on how bass is really presented to the listener as more of an extension into the mix to give depth where needed or to emphasize a moment. This means you understand bass is there - in shed loads if I may say so, but not in a slam slam manner, but more in a deep cavernous manner designed to broaden what already is a massive sound stage.

This actually brings to light another important point, and it's that different headphones have different sound signatures. Some have pounding bass, others have lots of treble, still others make the vocals in the midrange jump out from the rest of the music. Some headphones like to have the sound just flow more into your ear, while others will force it in. If you tell us what you're going to be listening to with these headphones (music genres, games, etc.) and any particular requirements (such as isolation; open-back headphones leak sound in and out, which can be both bothersome and beneficial if you live with others), it'll help us recommend you models more to your taste.

Well, im looking to use these for mostly alt. rock, possibly pop and maybe techno. For games, i plan on using them on FPS games mostly - As in something with very strong sound effects (ex. BF3). And the 300-400 price should only be for the headphones, so i dont mind shelling out another 100 for the amp. I prefer isolation.
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Well, im looking to use these for mostly alt. rock, possibly pop and maybe techno. For games, i plan on using them on FPS games mostly - As in something with very strong sound effects (ex. BF3). And the 300-400 price should only be for the headphones, so i dont mind shelling out another 100 for the amp. I prefer isolation. kris9031998
If you prefer isolation, then scratch the HD650 off your list right now, it's open. The D2000 is closed, but allegedly isn't all that isolating for a closed headphone (haven't tried it myself). Still, people seem to be quite pleased with its overall sound quality. I actually can't think of very many other notable closed headphones, other than the Thunderpants (Fostex T50RP drivers in custom wood cups, $500 and out of your budget) and varying Ultrasone models (but what worries me there is an allegedly recessed midrange on most of them; not good for rock and pop if you ask me, since I like my vocals to stand out from the music). There's also countless Audio-Technica closed models I haven't investigated (A-series and W-series).
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]Well, im looking to use these for mostly alt. rock, possibly pop and maybe techno. For games, i plan on using them on FPS games mostly - As in something with very strong sound effects (ex. BF3). And the 300-400 price should only be for the headphones, so i dont mind shelling out another 100 for the amp. I prefer isolation. NamelessPlayer
If you prefer isolation, then scratch the HD650 off your list right now, it's open. The D2000 is closed, but allegedly isn't all that isolating for a closed headphone (haven't tried it myself). Still, people seem to be quite pleased with its overall sound quality. I actually can't think of very many other notable closed headphones, other than the Thunderpants (Fostex T50RP drivers in custom wood cups, $500 and out of your budget) and varying Ultrasone models (but what worries me there is an allegedly recessed midrange on most of them; not good for rock and pop if you ask me, since I like my vocals to stand out from the music). There's also countless Audio-Technica closed models I haven't investigated (A-series and W-series).

I would say HD650s are fine. Sure people prefer isolation in that, they don't want to hear a screaming outside world, but that isn't really the reality for most people in a location suitable for headphone gear to begin with. The 650s do have a slight muffling effect on outside noises, and they definitely are great for gaming( Battlefield 3 sounds amazing through them) I haven't heard the D2000s so I can't really comment on that
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="kris9031998"]Well, im looking to use these for mostly alt. rock, possibly pop and maybe techno. For games, i plan on using them on FPS games mostly - As in something with very strong sound effects (ex. BF3). And the 300-400 price should only be for the headphones, so i dont mind shelling out another 100 for the amp. I prefer isolation. DivergeUnify
If you prefer isolation, then scratch the HD650 off your list right now, it's open. The D2000 is closed, but allegedly isn't all that isolating for a closed headphone (haven't tried it myself). Still, people seem to be quite pleased with its overall sound quality. I actually can't think of very many other notable closed headphones, other than the Thunderpants (Fostex T50RP drivers in custom wood cups, $500 and out of your budget) and varying Ultrasone models (but what worries me there is an allegedly recessed midrange on most of them; not good for rock and pop if you ask me, since I like my vocals to stand out from the music). There's also countless Audio-Technica closed models I haven't investigated (A-series and W-series).

I would say HD650s are fine. Sure people prefer isolation in that, they don't want to hear a screaming outside world, but that isn't really the reality for most people in a location suitable for headphone gear to begin with. The 650s do have a slight muffling effect on outside noises, and they definitely are great for gaming( Battlefield 3 sounds amazing through them) I haven't heard the D2000s so I can't really comment on that

Yeah, i prefer isolation but im fine as long as i dont hear everything around me.
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#11 Bozanimal
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You'll prefer the D2000 if you want to block out external sound; both are excellent, the Denon's will be better at isolation by their nature (closed-back). Good luck, Boz