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#1 kris9031998
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Amps are not a problem; automatically going to be bought so they can be excluded from the price.

Preference wise, im fine either way. It can be closed or open, i dont care too much.

So, what are the best headphones out there now for that price?

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Amps are not a problem; automatically going to be bought so they can be excluded from the price.

Preference wise, im fine either way. It can be closed or open, i dont care too much.

So, what are the best headphones out there now for that price?

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Will you consider a used headphone? (ex. STAX). I don't know if you should exclude amp from the budget as in many cases they can exceed the value of the headphones, not to mention you'll need a good DAC.

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]

Amps are not a problem; automatically going to be bought so they can be excluded from the price.

Preference wise, im fine either way. It can be closed or open, i dont care too much.

So, what are the best headphones out there now for that price?

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Will you consider a used headphone? (ex. STAX). I don't know if you should exclude amp from the budget as in many cases they can exceed the value of the headphones, not to mention you'll need a good DAC.

Wouldn't take used ones, simple for paranoia-type reasons. And the amp shouldn't be too bad, because i plan on getting 2 amps - 1 portable Fiio E9 and 1 desktop Fiio E7
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Hifiman HE-4? Sennheiser HD650? What kind of mix of highs/mids/lows you looking for?
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Hifiman HE-4? Sennheiser HD650? What kind of mix of highs/mids/lows you looking for?

Hmm...well i definitely need a good amount of lows, i love dat bass. But that doesnt mean the entire headphone should only be bass, i mean. So i want a decent mix of all, i guess.
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And the amp shouldn't be too bad, because i plan on getting 2 amps - 1 portable Fiio E9 and 1 desktop Fiio E7kris9031998
Here we run into a problem, there is no point in getting headphones ~$500 when the rest of your system will be sub par in comparison. You should better balance your budget between the headphones, amp and DAC.

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]And the amp shouldn't be too bad, because i plan on getting 2 amps - 1 portable Fiio E9 and 1 desktop Fiio E7NVIDIATI

Here we run into a problem, there is no point in getting headphones ~$500 when the rest of your system will be sub par in comparison. You should better balance your budget between the headphones, amp and DAC.

Well, what kind of amp should i get then?
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Well, what kind of amp should i get then?kris9031998
That depends on your headphones. Dynamic/moving-coil and orthodynamic/isodynamic/planar-magnetic headphones have plenty of amps out there to choose from. When it comes to Stax and other electrostatics, on the other hand, they require their own specialized amplifiers, which are often just as expensive or moreso than the headphones themselves. $500 can buy you a new SR-207 or SR-307, but unless you have another $500 to spend on an SRM-252S (which is quite ludicrous for such an amp; you can easily buy an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro used for that much), they're dead weight. This is why you have to budget for both headphone and amp.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]Well, what kind of amp should i get then?NamelessPlayer
That depends on your headphones. Dynamic/moving-coil and orthodynamic/isodynamic/planar-magnetic headphones have plenty of amps out there to choose from. When it comes to Stax and other electrostatics, on the other hand, they require their own specialized amplifiers, which are often just as expensive or moreso than the headphones themselves. $500 can buy you a new SR-207 or SR-307, but unless you have another $500 to spend on an SRM-252S (which is quite ludicrous for such an amp; you can easily buy an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro used for that much), they're dead weight. This is why you have to budget for both headphone and amp.

And how about a Sennheiser HD 650? Its the one ive been looking at the most, and some people have used the two amps with it just fine.
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="kris9031998"]Well, what kind of amp should i get then?kris9031998
That depends on your headphones. Dynamic/moving-coil and orthodynamic/isodynamic/planar-magnetic headphones have plenty of amps out there to choose from. When it comes to Stax and other electrostatics, on the other hand, they require their own specialized amplifiers, which are often just as expensive or moreso than the headphones themselves. $500 can buy you a new SR-207 or SR-307, but unless you have another $500 to spend on an SRM-252S (which is quite ludicrous for such an amp; you can easily buy an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro used for that much), they're dead weight. This is why you have to budget for both headphone and amp.

And how about a Sennheiser HD 650? Its the one ive been looking at the most, and some people have used the two amps with it just fine.

I've had a few hours of time with the HD650 while amped by the E7/E9. You WILL NOT be disappointed. They sound absolutely fantastic. I can't say they produce some of the best mids known to man, as I haven't heard all headphones, but they're some of the best mids known to man :P Bass response also goes quite low, although it doesn't have a ton of slam if thats what you're looking for( I doubt you would care though- the whole presentation is great)

I normally use them out of a nuforce udac2 and they still sound pretty great, although much more lethargic and boring.

I'm sure there are better amps out there and I've been talking to NVIDIA about them, such as the Audio GD NFB 12

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]Well, what kind of amp should i get then?NamelessPlayer
That depends on your headphones. Dynamic/moving-coil and orthodynamic/isodynamic/planar-magnetic headphones have plenty of amps out there to choose from. When it comes to Stax and other electrostatics, on the other hand, they require their own specialized amplifiers, which are often just as expensive or moreso than the headphones themselves. $500 can buy you a new SR-207 or SR-307, but unless you have another $500 to spend on an SRM-252S (which is quite ludicrous for such an amp; you can easily buy an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro used for that much), they're dead weight. This is why you have to budget for both headphone and amp.

You and your Stax :P
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"] That depends on your headphones. Dynamic/moving-coil and orthodynamic/isodynamic/planar-magnetic headphones have plenty of amps out there to choose from. When it comes to Stax and other electrostatics, on the other hand, they require their own specialized amplifiers, which are often just as expensive or moreso than the headphones themselves. $500 can buy you a new SR-207 or SR-307, but unless you have another $500 to spend on an SRM-252S (which is quite ludicrous for such an amp; you can easily buy an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro used for that much), they're dead weight. This is why you have to budget for both headphone and amp.DivergeUnify

And how about a Sennheiser HD 650? Its the one ive been looking at the most, and some people have used the two amps with it just fine.

I've had a few hours of time with the HD650 while amped by the E7/E9. You WILL NOT be disappointed. They sound absolutely fantastic. I can't say they produce some of the best mids known to man, as I haven't heard all headphones, but they're some of the best mids known to man :P Bass response also goes quite low, although it doesn't have a ton of slam if thats what you're looking for( I doubt you would care though- the whole presentation is great)

I normally use them out of a nuforce udac2 and they still sound pretty great, although much more lethargic and boring.

I'm sure there are better amps out there and I've been talking to NVIDIA about them, such as the Audio GD NFB 12

Anyways, so how is the 650 is general? Its my top pick right now, but i want to know, how good is the bass? I mean i dont want an overwhelming bass (beats, which suck) but i want a pretty good bass at minimum.
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

[QUOTE="kris9031998"] And how about a Sennheiser HD 650? Its the one ive been looking at the most, and some people have used the two amps with it just fine.kris9031998

I've had a few hours of time with the HD650 while amped by the E7/E9. You WILL NOT be disappointed. They sound absolutely fantastic. I can't say they produce some of the best mids known to man, as I haven't heard all headphones, but they're some of the best mids known to man :P Bass response also goes quite low, although it doesn't have a ton of slam if thats what you're looking for( I doubt you would care though- the whole presentation is great)

I normally use them out of a nuforce udac2 and they still sound pretty great, although much more lethargic and boring.

I'm sure there are better amps out there and I've been talking to NVIDIA about them, such as the Audio GD NFB 12

Anyways, so how is the 650 is general? Its my top pick right now, but i want to know, how good is the bass? I mean i dont want an overwhelming bass (beats, which suck) but i want a pretty good bass at minimum.

Bass is very good, goes low, and gives a dark tone overall to the headphones, but definitely is not overpowering at all. Like I said it doesn't have too much slam and I wouldn't consider it a bassy headphones. The mids are excellent, so beautiful and full. The highs are a little rolled off, but there is definitely detail there( some songs they have better treble extension than my Grados which have a lot more treble overall) What kind of music do you llisten to?
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] I've had a few hours of time with the HD650 while amped by the E7/E9. You WILL NOT be disappointed. They sound absolutely fantastic. I can't say they produce some of the best mids known to man, as I haven't heard all headphones, but they're some of the best mids known to man :P Bass response also goes quite low, although it doesn't have a ton of slam if thats what you're looking for( I doubt you would care though- the whole presentation is great)

I normally use them out of a nuforce udac2 and they still sound pretty great, although much more lethargic and boring.

I'm sure there are better amps out there and I've been talking to NVIDIA about them, such as the Audio GD NFB 12

DivergeUnify

Anyways, so how is the 650 is general? Its my top pick right now, but i want to know, how good is the bass? I mean i dont want an overwhelming bass (beats, which suck) but i want a pretty good bass at minimum.

Bass is very good, goes low, and gives a dark tone overall to the headphones, but definitely is not overpowering at all. Like I said it doesn't have too much slam and I wouldn't consider it a bassy headphones. The mids are excellent, so beautiful and full. The highs are a little rolled off, but there is definitely detail there( some songs they have better treble extension than my Grados which have a lot more treble overall) What kind of music do you llisten to?

A bit of everything, alt rock, (rarely) rap, some techno/electronica, (again, rarely) pop, etc.

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="kris9031998"] Anyways, so how is the 650 is general? Its my top pick right now, but i want to know, how good is the bass? I mean i dont want an overwhelming bass (beats, which suck) but i want a pretty good bass at minimum.kris9031998

Bass is very good, goes low, and gives a dark tone overall to the headphones, but definitely is not overpowering at all. Like I said it doesn't have too much slam and I wouldn't consider it a bassy headphones. The mids are excellent, so beautiful and full. The highs are a little rolled off, but there is definitely detail there( some songs they have better treble extension than my Grados which have a lot more treble overall) What kind of music do you llisten to?

A bit of everything, alt rock, (rarely) rap, some techno/electronica, (again, rarely) pop, etc.

Its a great all around headphone, probably the most versatile I've personally heard( although its also the most expensive headphone I've heard). Do you have any pair of headphones now?
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Bass is very good, goes low, and gives a dark tone overall to the headphones, but definitely is not overpowering at all. Like I said it doesn't have too much slam and I wouldn't consider it a bassy headphones. The mids are excellent, so beautiful and full. The highs are a little rolled off, but there is definitely detail there( some songs they have better treble extension than my Grados which have a lot more treble overall) What kind of music do you llisten to? DivergeUnify

A bit of everything, alt rock, (rarely) rap, some techno/electronica, (again, rarely) pop, etc.

Its a great all around headphone, probably the most versatile I've personally heard( although its also the most expensive headphone I've heard). Do you have any pair of headphones now?

Nope, but i have before. Very low quality, and was only used to talk with people online. But what genre of music is it best for? And how is it for gaming?
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="kris9031998"]

A bit of everything, alt rock, (rarely) rap, some techno/electronica, (again, rarely) pop, etc.

kris9031998

Its a great all around headphone, probably the most versatile I've personally heard( although its also the most expensive headphone I've heard). Do you have any pair of headphones now?

Nope, but i have before. Very low quality, and was only used to talk with people online. But what genre of music is it best for? And how is it for gaming?

I think it best suits music with electronic elements and jazz, and goes pretty well with rock( although I don't think its preferable to a pair of Grados for rock, but again, its more versatile overall). For gaming I haven't used it too much. I've played Battlefield 3 with them for about 30 minutes and it was a blissful experience :D

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Its a great all around headphone, probably the most versatile I've personally heard( although its also the most expensive headphone I've heard). Do you have any pair of headphones now? DivergeUnify

Nope, but i have before. Very low quality, and was only used to talk with people online. But what genre of music is it best for? And how is it for gaming?

I think it best suits music with electronic elements and jazz, and goes pretty well with rock( although I don't think its preferable to a pair of Grados for rock, but again, its more versatile overall). For gaming I haven't used it too much. I've played Battlefield 3 with them for about 30 minutes and it was a blissful experience :D

Mmm...good. Very good.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]And the amp shouldn't be too bad, because i plan on getting 2 amps - 1 portable Fiio E9 and 1 desktop Fiio E7NVIDIATI

Here we run into a problem, there is no point in getting headphones ~$500 when the rest of your system will be sub par in comparison. You should better balance your budget between the headphones, amp and DAC.

Is the purpose of an external DAC just to bypass whatever is in the source? I'll just say I'm skeptical about the benefits of one.
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There is no "best" headphone at $500; headphones are very, very much a personal preference thing. You also did not mention what you would be using these for; are you using them at work? While traveling? Do they need to be compact? At home only? On your PC? With a portable device (if so, which one)? The more information you provide the better we'll be able to give you guidance!

That said, based on what you've said thus far I'd look very closely at the Denon AH-D2000 and, if you can swing it, the Denon AH-D5000. Those will give you the clarity of the Sennheiser HD650, but with a little more emphasis on low-frequency response (i.e. bass). There are always tradeoffs: The HD650 is going to have a wider soundstage, but the Denons will have deeper, more defined bass. You cannot have both by the nature of their design. Also: I find most Sennheisers to have too much clamping pressure; your mileage may vary. I haven't used the HD650's personally, only the 555, 595, and 598s.

I would also encourage you to consider Grado RS2i. I was priveleged to get an audition recently, and was impressed by both their open soundstage and solid bass. These are love/hate headphones, no question, but take a look at them.

Be very, very careful buying headphones that you do so from a reputable retailer. Sennheiser and Audio Technica are particularly prone to knock-offs, so if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.

Lastly, if you're dropping this much on a pair of headphones, I urge you to create an account over at Head-Fi and pose your question there. Those folks are hardcore headphone enthusiasts, and will give you comprehensive feedback.

Good luck,

Boz

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And how about a Sennheiser HD 650? Its the one ive been looking at the most, and some people have used the two amps with it just fine.kris9031998
That's a dynamic/moving-coil headphone, so you have plenty of amps to choose from. Some say a FiiO E9 is enough, others might pay up for more expensive amps to drive it. Regardless, it's considered insensitive enough that you wouldn't want to drive it out of most sources without a dedicated amp.
You and your Stax :P DivergeUnify
Can't help it...I feel that people should at least be aware of the option. Although in this particular case, the OP wants good bass, and electrostatic bass isn't pleasing to those seeking visceral impact. (Which isn't to say it's bad by any means, but most people don't seem to be talking about the sound itself when it comes to bass.) [QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Is the purpose of an external DAC just to bypass whatever is in the source? I'll just say I'm skeptical about the benefits of one.

They're supposed to have better analog output stages, anyway...but I don't know for sure whether they're really worth $300, $500, $1000, or even more. Since this is a gaming forum, though, I should point out that having a sound card with gaming DSP features that work over S/PDIF and feeding an external DAC that way will work out better than a USB DAC for that purpose.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"]

Amps are not a problem; automatically going to be bought so they can be excluded from the price.

Preference wise, im fine either way. It can be closed or open, i dont care too much.

So, what are the best headphones out there now for that price?

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Will you consider a used headphone? (ex. STAX). I don't know if you should exclude amp from the budget as in many cases they can exceed the value of the headphones, not to mention you'll need a good DAC.

Can you even get STAX headphones for $500 used? I saw a used pair for $1000, that came with an amp. Damn what a deal.
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Can you even get STAX headphones for $500 used? I saw a used pair for $1000, that came with an amp. Damn what a deal.Mozelleple112
I got two sets. One for $250, one for $365 or so when factoring in a replacement headband part and a step-down transformer for the amp's AC adapter (just a small SRM-212, not like the bigger, beefier ones that have the AC transformer circuitry inside), shipping included. You just have to keep your eyes peeled. (However, the cheaper set was bundled with a transformer box, meaning that if you don't already have some form of speaker amp like an A/V receiver, that's even more money spent.) Then there was that guy who somehow scored an SR-303 and SRM-313 for $200 shipped on eBay. I'm pretty damn jealous there. It's like the best deals always show up when I'm not looking and don't have the money to spend.
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Can you even get STAX headphones for $500 used? I saw a used pair for $1000, that came with an amp. Damn what a deal.NamelessPlayer
I got two sets. One for $250, one for $365 or so when factoring in a replacement headband part and a step-down transformer for the amp's AC adapter (just a small SRM-212, not like the bigger, beefier ones that have the AC transformer circuitry inside), shipping included. You just have to keep your eyes peeled. (However, the cheaper set was bundled with a transformer box, meaning that if you don't already have some form of speaker amp like an A/V receiver, that's even more money spent.) Then there was that guy who somehow scored an SR-303 and SRM-313 for $200 shipped on eBay. I'm pretty damn jealous there. It's like the best deals always show up when I'm not looking and don't have the money to spend.

I saw someone get a Sennheiser 650 for $280 on ebay, new. Not bad, honestly.