BF3 - Post AA on or off?

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#1 spittis
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Yeah sorry for just another BF3 thread. But I'm a bit curious about this. First time I started the game Post Anti Aliasing was set to high. At first I thought the game was running at wrong resolution because of the weird blurriness, and I was quite puzzled until I tried setting it off. I suppose it does it's job in removing any possible jaggies but I think the blur especially at long distances looks very weird, and the colours seem more washed out aswell. I took two screenshots for comparison but it seems that on a picture the Post AA looks much better than in motion. Post AA OFF:  Post AA on HIGH:
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#2 Wasdie  Moderator
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Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

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#3 streetridaz
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Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

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Exactly not worth giving up 10fps for very slightly better filtering
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#4 SickStench
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To be honest the difference within those screenshots is so minimalistic I don't think that it even matters whether or not you have it on. I couldn't really tell the difference. Maybe when playing the game myself I'll be more keen to notice something that, but as it stands now it looks like a waste according to your screen shots.

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#5 trastamad03
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I use Post AA on Medium. Looks good for me... I just don't get why people still use MSAA anymore.... they should just drop it and use these new AA methods more.
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#6 streetridaz
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To be honest the difference within those screenshots is so minimalistic I don't think that it even matters whether or not you have it on. I couldn't really tell the difference. Maybe when playing the game myself I'll be more keen to notice something that, but as it stands now it looks like a waste according to your screen shots.

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in game while playing it's a big difference. Those screen shot like all screen shots and internet videos don't do it justice.
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#7 streetridaz
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I use Post AA on Medium. Looks good for me... I just don't get why people still use MSAA anymore.... they should just drop it and use these new AA methods more.trastamad03
Agreed.....with MSAA you get a very slightly better quality for a huge performance drop.
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#8 samuraiguns
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Better to have the option than have none at all.

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#9 DevilMightCry
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AA off, and Post AA set to low. Anything over that makes the game blurry. At least it does on 1920x1200
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#10 Phoenix534
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Post AA on high and MSAA off. Why we still use MSAA is beyond me.

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#11 Bikouchu35
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I say 2x on games for me. Base on the pictures AA made the pq softer meh which is dont like.

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#12 red12355
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Post AA on high and MSAA off. Why we still use MSAA is beyond me.

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Because post aa can be blurry.
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#13 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

Post AA on high and MSAA off. Why we still use MSAA is beyond me.

red12355

Because post aa can be blurry.

But there are other forms of AA that are a billion times better than MSAA.

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#14 FatSlasH
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Post AA is awful, blurry as hell.

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#15 spittis
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I'm aware of that the difference in those screenshots is minimal, barely able to notice it, but at least on my monitor there's a big difference when actually playing the game, with post AA scenery and objects far away look very blurry.
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#16 DJ_Headshot
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You downsampled those pics to 1200x675 so comparasion is invalid post full resolution screen shots.

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#17 edinsftw
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I have mine on 4x super sampling and it still runs great

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#18 Elann2008
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Post AA is also very taxing. Textures being one of the least taxing. I gotta find that chart again.

I kinda like the pic with Post AA "off." With Post AA on, everything looks blurred on the edges of all the objects. Hmmm

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#19 CUDGEdave
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Cant see much differdnce to be honest,mind you im a bit boozed up.:?

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#21 Phoenix534
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Since you brought it to my attention :P, I just tested it out. I can't tell the difference. :s Although I'm getting several more frame rates because of it and it's much smoother and more stable in terms performance. I was getting 55-60fps, mostly 60fps. Elann2008

Really? Maybe I should turn that off or at least down to medium...

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#22 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Since you brought it to my attention :P, I just tested it out. I can't tell the difference. :s Although I'm getting several more frame rates because of it and it's much smoother and more stable in terms performance. I was getting 55-60fps, mostly 60fps. Phoenix534

Really? Maybe I should turn that off or at least down to medium...

Yup. But you guys are also right about MSAA. It's useless. Post AA "on" with everything on Ultra, I'm getting mostly 60fps but it does dip down to 47fps (minimum). I'm gonna try to turn them BOTH off later tonight. Gotta go to work now. :P
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#23 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Since you brought it to my attention :P, I just tested it out. I can't tell the difference. :s Although I'm getting several more frame rates because of it and it's much smoother and more stable in terms performance. I was getting 55-60fps, mostly 60fps. Phoenix534

Really? Maybe I should turn that off or at least down to medium...

I'd also like to add that at high resolution 1080p, 1200p, none of it really matters anyways (Post AA, and MSAA). I turned them all off and I'm getting 60fps without a hitch, all Ultra. I don't see any jaggies that are too noticeable. Things look sharp and clean for the most part. And much, much better performance maxed out, @ 1200p. Thanks guys for the suggestions. Helped a lot. :)
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#24 mitu123
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Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

Wasdie

That also makes it use less VRAM.

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#25 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

mitu123

That also makes it use less VRAM.

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)
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#27 davaniius
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I do not like post aa at all. It looks too blurry for my tastes so I use 2msaa as it looks sharper.

The post aa doesn't help with fences especially on Caspian border. Don't like it at all.

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#28 davaniius
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

Elann2008

That also makes it use less VRAM.

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)

I bought 8gb of ram yesterday as I was getting black screens which resulted in the game quitting the servers whenever I alt tabbed out to check on the unlocks in the battlelog.

The game was using up to 3.6gb of the 4gb I had installed so I put in 8gb and now the game uses up to 4.6gb.

Now there is instant alt tabbing and faster load times as well.

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#29 spittis
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="mitu123"] That also makes it use less VRAM.

davaniius

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)

I bought 8gb of ram yesterday as I was getting black screens which resulted in the game quitting the servers whenever I alt tabbed out to check on the unlocks in the battlelog.

The game was using up to 3.6gb of the 4gb I had installed so I put in 8gb and now the game uses up to 4.6gb.

Now there is instant alt tabbing and faster load times as well.

mitu talks about Video RAM.
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#30 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="davaniius"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)spittis

I bought 8gb of ram yesterday as I was getting black screens which resulted in the game quitting the servers whenever I alt tabbed out to check on the unlocks in the battlelog.

The game was using up to 3.6gb of the 4gb I had installed so I put in 8gb and now the game uses up to 4.6gb.

Now there is instant alt tabbing and faster load times as well.

mitu talks about Video RAM.

Oh crud! Totally missed that. /brainfart thanks for the correction hehe :P It's too early/late 4am I think when I posted that
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#31 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="mitu123"] That also makes it use less VRAM.

davaniius

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)

I bought 8gb of ram yesterday as I was getting black screens which resulted in the game quitting the servers whenever I alt tabbed out to check on the unlocks in the battlelog.

The game was using up to 3.6gb of the 4gb I had installed so I put in 8gb and now the game uses up to 4.6gb.

Now there is instant alt tabbing and faster load times as well.

That's the memory leak a Gamespot member was talking about. Others have reported it as well. I would get freezes from alt-tabbing 30% of the time. Hmmm

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#32 davaniius
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I checked my vram usage and it was 1507 on a gtx 580. Lol.

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#33 Elann2008
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I checked my vram usage and it was 1507 on a gtx 580. Lol.

davaniius

LOL! Mine hovers around 900-1000mb.


You must have the "Get ready for BF3 edition" even though it's registered as 1.5GB. :P

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i had fraps running in the background along with a couple of monitoring programs to see how hot my cpu and gfx card were getting and checked my ram usage in task manager: was using 5.7 gigs of ram with 6 gigs reserved lol.
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#35 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Post AA on, MSAA off. That's the best. MSAA is stupidly taxing.

Elann2008

That also makes it use less VRAM.

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)

Not about that.:P If you set it to Ultra and turn off MSAA it really doesn't even touch 1GB.

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#36 topgunmv
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Post bigger screenshots.

When they're that small they look exactly the same.

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#37 1q3er5
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with newer LCD monitors supporting such high resolutions, jaggies seem like a non issue. I don't use AA at all.
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#38 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="mitu123"] That also makes it use less VRAM.

mitu123

That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)

Not about that.:P If you set it to Ultra and turn off MSAA it really doesn't even touch 1GB.

Yeah, we thought you were talking about system RAM. Yeah, my VRAM doesn't touch 900mb even with Post AA and MSAA, but I have those both turned off because I don't like the way post AA blurs the edges of objects. And MSAA is useless at my resolution. Even with it on, I cannot tell the difference and not worth the performance hit.
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#39 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] That's great news. :) This is the first game that actually made me consider buying more RAM. Newegg.com has like 8GB of Kingston or G.Skill ram for only $50, but still $50 that I would like to save, unless I really need more ram. Good to know. ;)Elann2008

Not about that.:P If you set it to Ultra and turn off MSAA it really doesn't even touch 1GB.

Yeah, we thought you were talking about system RAM. Yeah, my VRAM doesn't touch 900mb even with Post AA and MSAA, but I have those both turned off because I don't like the way post AA blurs the edges of objects. And MSAA is useless at my resolution. Even with it on, I cannot tell the difference and not worth the performance hit.

Hmm, it does far more on my rig:

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#40 mrbojangles25
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imo, the only time you really notice a difference (at a decent resolution) between AA and no AA is when you take a screenshot.

In motion, a lot of that stuff doesn't really add anything to your experience. In fact, it often takes away from it.

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#41 Am_Confucius
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imo, the only time you really notice a difference (at a decent resolution) between AA and no AA is when you take a screenshot.

In motion, a lot of that stuff doesn't really add anything to your experience. In fact, it often takes away from it.

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That depends on how close to the screen you are. My monitor is right in front of a wall, so I have to sit close, causing the jaggies to be a real pain.