BFG 9800GTX OCX vs. Sapphire Radeon 4870

ATI one is:

Core Clock: 750 MHz ,Memory Clock: 900 MHz, 3.6Gbps

Core Clock755MHz Shader Clock1890MHz

who's better?! price doesnt mathers mather

First thing, fix your grammer. O_O

Second, HD4870 all the way (since you're not concerned about the price).

You still get what you pay for. I would say that the price/performance ratio of those 2 should be the same.

i had some pro with tihs topic,so dont worry about my grammer

second in israel it cost me 1400 for ati.and for bfg is 1770, its like 100 dollars difrence

what card do you have?

Benchmarks to make your choice very easy.

i had some pro with tihs topic,so dont worry about my grammer

second in israel it cost me 1400 for ati.and for bfg is 1770, its like 100 dollars difrence

what card do you have?

lielshalev

The 9800GTX costs more? The 4870 is a considerably more powerful card, so you'd be paying less for a better card.

I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

most likely your pc system is bottle necked sinse 4870 much better than 8800gts and WILL see inprovements, ur CPU probaly too slow or RAM ect. 4870 best single card to get atm,for the price it is it a dam good card

I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

I think you are having some a serious bottleneck there yoshi. :(

I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

I agree. The performance is really lackluster. I cant even Run Crysis on any kind of settings without getting low FPS. I have no clue why. But it's definitely going back to newegg.com and I'm also returning my crossfire mobo. I'll probably switch to Nvidia now. I'm not impressed with the HD4870.

All of you guys are wrong. The Nvidia 9800 does extreme performance rather than the ATI 4870.D3LLUser

You have my attention. Please elaborate.

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.wklzip

I think you are having some a serious bottleneck there yos\i. :(

E6600 @ 3.0Ghz will not bottleneck any single GPU setup imo. Also, it's an 8800GTS 640mb, not 512 Rayvin.

My current setup runs crysis at 1680x1050 all settings on high around 20fps. The Hd4870 initially allowed me to run at the same settings + 2x AA at 30fps, but that began to drop after 15 minutes of gameplay and become excessively choppy. It also caused my system to fail to post twice in 3 power-ons. The fact that it's taking ATI this long to release drivers for their cards (almost a month) also puts me off, even if they help the situation. I'm going back to my 8800 and holding out until this winter / next year for a newer card. If they add physx support to the 8 series card like they are supposed to, I may not upgrade my GPU for some time. (I like to play with crysis physics :)) IDK if it's just me, but high end 8 series card owners don't have to fall into the upgrade trap.... your cards are fine for a good while :) Other than the synthetic improvement (3dmark score) I saw no noticable performance gains in any application, and often worse performance. Maybe it just didn't like my motherboard or something, but I've decided that even if the problems can be resolved, that $280 can be spent better elsewhere :)

[QUOTE="wklzip"]

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

I think you are having some a serious bottleneck there yos\i. :(

E6600 @ 3.0Ghz will not bottleneck any single GPU setup imo. Also, it's an 8800GTS 640mb, not 512 Rayvin.

My current setup runs crysis at 1680x1050 all settings on high around 20fps. The Hd4870 initially allowed me to run at the same settings + 2x AA at 30fps, but that began to drop after 15 minutes of gameplay and become excessively choppy. It also caused my system to fail to post twice in 3 power-ons. The fact that it's taking ATI this long to release drivers for their cards (almost a month) also puts me off, even if they help the situation. I'm going back to my 8800 and holding out until this winter / next year for a newer card. If they add physx support to the 8 series card like they are supposed to, I may not upgrade my GPU for some time. (I like to play with crysis physics :)) IDK if it's just me, but high end 8 series card owners don't have to fall into the upgrade trap.... your cards are fine for a good while :) Other than the synthetic improvement (3dmark score) I saw no noticable performance gains in any application, and often worse performance. Maybe it just didn't like my motherboard or something, but I've decided that even if the problems can be resolved, that $280 can be spent better elsewhere :)

Thats kind of sad my 9800gtx no AA high at 1680x1050 gets around 30 fps. That very odd.

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"][QUOTE="wklzip"]

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.artiedeadat40

I think you are having some a serious bottleneck there yos\i. :(

E6600 @ 3.0Ghz will not bottleneck any single GPU setup imo. Also, it's an 8800GTS 640mb, not 512 Rayvin.

My current setup runs crysis at 1680x1050 all settings on high around 20fps. The Hd4870 initially allowed me to run at the same settings + 2x AA at 30fps, but that began to drop after 15 minutes of gameplay and become excessively choppy. It also caused my system to fail to post twice in 3 power-ons. The fact that it's taking ATI this long to release drivers for their cards (almost a month) also puts me off, even if they help the situation. I'm going back to my 8800 and holding out until this winter / next year for a newer card. If they add physx support to the 8 series card like they are supposed to, I may not upgrade my GPU for some time. (I like to play with crysis physics :)) IDK if it's just me, but high end 8 series card owners don't have to fall into the upgrade trap.... your cards are fine for a good while :) Other than the synthetic improvement (3dmark score) I saw no noticable performance gains in any application, and often worse performance. Maybe it just didn't like my motherboard or something, but I've decided that even if the problems can be resolved, that $280 can be spent better elsewhere :)

Thats kind of sad my 9800gtx no AA high at 1680x1050 gets around 30 fps. That very odd.

I agree. That's very odd Yoshi. I understand that you're frustrated. Hell, I would be too but there must be something that can solve this besides switching brand. If you would take a look on the other thread, I posted a couple of youtube vids and a lot of people are running HD4870 single gpu on very high and they're spanking Crysis, with 35fps to 50fps. Something is definitely up with your setup or your GPU. With 3.0ghz CPU, you should be fine. The gentleman on youtube was rocking 3.2ghz with an E64** something.. I forgot, but it's lower model than yours. He was running very high, 1680x1050. Again, very very odd.

[QUOTE="wklzip"]

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]I got no performance gain from my HD4870 going from a 8800GTS outside of my 3dmark score increasing by 2.5k. It's going back to Amazon and I'm waiting until christmas or later to buy another card. The HD4870 is technically the better card but having used it firsthand I can't recommend it due to its myriad of quirks and lackluster performance.Staryoshi87

I think you are having some a serious bottleneck there yos\i. :(

E6600 @ 3.0Ghz will not bottleneck any single GPU setup imo. Also, it's an 8800GTS 640mb, not 512 Rayvin.

My current setup runs crysis at 1680x1050 all settings on high around 20fps. The Hd4870 initially allowed me to run at the same settings + 2x AA at 30fps, but that began to drop after 15 minutes of gameplay and become excessively choppy. It also caused my system to fail to post twice in 3 power-ons. The fact that it's taking ATI this long to release drivers for their cards (almost a month) also puts me off, even if they help the situation. I'm going back to my 8800 and holding out until this winter / next year for a newer card. If they add physx support to the 8 series card like they are supposed to, I may not upgrade my GPU for some time. (I like to play with crysis physics :)) IDK if it's just me, but high end 8 series card owners don't have to fall into the upgrade trap.... your cards are fine for a good while :) Other than the synthetic improvement (3dmark score) I saw no noticable performance gains in any application, and often worse performance. Maybe it just didn't like my motherboard or something, but I've decided that even if the problems can be resolved, that $280 can be spent better elsewhere :)

You were actually searching a big performance gain from 8800GTS to HD4870? Yes, HD4870 is better, but not good enough to go for it instead of 8800GTS. What were you thinking?

if you get a gtx9800 then it ur wasted money.

tbh the facts and bench marks and tests 100% show 4870 is the best card for value and will run games on high settings upto high res..but not super high res ect.

the main reson you having problems is ur CPU 6600 IS too slow for the card sadly, my mate got 4870 on a x38 motherboard and e8400 and runnign crysis on high settings and high res and getting great FPS.

in any case i think it either ur bottlenecks or maybe a bad card. either way it proven 4870 the best value card atm, even beats GTX260 ......

basicaly for the not so clever...:

1:4870 will run high settings and good res.

2:will NOT run super stupidly high res 1900x1600 ect 24"screens..

3:4870 it best card atm from most peoples views and most reveiws show this to be best to get.

4:if you love nvdia and feel a sense of love to them then by all means give them your cash for a card thats OK, but 4870 can do same for less.

your money to throw away dude up to you.

Personally, I'm very happy with the performance of the HD 4870 and I have zero issues.

Also, it's an 8800GTS 640mb, not 512 Rayvin.

The fact that it's taking ATI this long to release drivers for their cards (almost a month) also puts me off, even if they help the situation.

IDK if it's just me, but high end 8 series card owners don't have to fall into the upgrade trap.... your cards are fine for a good while :) Other than the synthetic improvement (3dmark score) I saw no noticable performance gains in any application, and often worse performance. Maybe it just didn't like my motherboard or something, but I've decided that even if the problems can be resolved, that $280 can be spent better elsewhere :)

Staryoshi87

The G92 honestly wasn't that much better than G80 - it was priced much better, but it didn't really offer any significant improvements over its predecessor.

ATI releases drivers once a month - it's their fault that drivers weren't ready upon release, but once a month is how ATI puts out drivers.

And I could have told you that last bit. I tell lots of people actually - to see any appreciable performance gains you almost always have to skip a graphics generation or two if you've got a high-end card. Some generations are rare in that they really give things a kick to the nuts (8800GTX), but by and large you're better off waiting two generations or at least one generation and one revision before buying a new card.