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#1 timoi890
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Hi how do i connect speakers through bi wiring?

The section i want to connect to has red and black things that look like srews.

When i bi wire can i get everything connected through HDMI, the red and white stuff the Wii uses for audio running through 5.1 channel if it's a 6.1 channel amp?

Do i also need to use it the other way where you just put it in?

Can you show me pics, so i make sure i don't do it wrong?

When connecting a speaker which of the 2 split sections on a cable is possitive and which is negative how can u tell?

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#2 Boxcutters
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Bi wiring is a waste, doesn't add anything for sound.

Wii only uses 2.1 pro logic sound.

Please use google.com for bi-wiring as well.

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#3 timoi890
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Thanks.
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Hi how do i connect speakers through bi wiring?

The section i want to connect to has red and black things that look like srews.

When i bi wire can i get everything connected through HDMI, the red and white stuff the Wii uses for audio running through 5.1 channel if it's a 6.1 channel amp?

Do i also need to use it the other way where you just put it in?

Can you show me pics, so i make sure i don't do it wrong?

When connecting a speaker which of the 2 split sections on a cable is possitive and which is negative how can u tell?

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To bi-wire speakers you need two main things: speakers capable of bi-wiring and, from the sound of it, a receiver that supports bi-wiring.

To determine if your speakers are capable of bi-wiring, simply look at the back of the speaker to see how many binding posts (the read and black things that look like screws) are present. If there are four binding posts, you can bi-wire the speakers. If there are only two, you can't bi-wire the speakers.

If you own a separate amplifier bi-wiring shouldn't present any problems. If you're using an A/V receiver, though, you may not be able to bi-wire speakers. You'll have to check the owners manual or contact the manufacturer to determine if the receiver supports bi-wiring and how to set it up. There are a few receivers capable of bi-wiring even though it isn't officially supported.

If you find you have speakers capable of bi-wiring and a receiver that supports it, bi-wiring is simply a matter of removing the plate or jumper connecting the two sets of binding posts together on the back of the speaker, then wiring one amplifier channel to one set of binding posts and a second amplifier channel to the second set of binding posts. That's all there is to it. It's not any more involved than wiring two speakers.

Since bi-wiring requires the use of four amplifier channels for two speakers, a five or six channel amplifier can't provide 5.1 or 6.1 channel surround sound when bi-wired.

The positive speaker wire is the one you've connected to the positive terminal on your receiver. The negative speaker wire is the one you've connected to the negative terminal on your receiver. There's usually a colored stripe or "+" sign to denote positive from negative, but that's just to help you keep track of what goes were. The wire itself doesn't have a polarity.

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#5 HowardB
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Bi wiring is a waste, doesn't add anything for sound.

Wii only uses 2.1 pro logic sound.

Please use google.com for bi-wiring as well.

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If you think bi-wiring is a waste, you've never owned a pair of power hungry speakers before. Bi-wiring speakers can provide a dramatic difference in overall sound, especially with speakers featuring large and / or multiple subs that tend to soak up most of the power.

There is no 2.1 Pro Logic Surround format.

Dolby Surround is a 3.0 matrix surround format, providing left front, right front, and mixed mono rear.

Dolby Pro Logic is a 4.0 matrix surround format, providing left front, right front, center, and mixed mono rear.

Dolby Pro Logic II (the format both the GC and Wii support) is a 5.1 matrix surround format, providing left front, right front, center, left rear, right rear, and an LFE channel.

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#6 Boxcutters
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Dolby Pro Logic II I'm sorry but with red/white cable is 2.1 audio

Bi-wiring is a waste go search on avsforums.com

It's a waste of speaker cables, and sounds same.

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#7 HowardB
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Dolby Pro Logic II I'm sorry but with red/white cable is 2.1 audio

Bi-wiring is a waste go search on avsforums.com

It's a waste of speaker cables, and sounds same.

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I see you're unfamiliar with matrix surround sound. Perhaps these articles will clear things up for you.

Here's a brief description of Pro Logic II from Dolby Labs. Of particular interest is this portion:

"Dolby Pro Logic II also enables video game consoles to encode five-channel surround sound information into a stereo signal with virtually no impact on the console's CPU, which means all this extra audio won't slow your game down."

This is from an interview with Jim Fosgate, the creator of Pro Logic II.

"A few months later, Roger came out here to Heber, and we performed a few tests together. We encoded the five channels from a Dolby Digital DVD down to two channels and ran that stereo signal through the PLII. That way, we could compare the sound of original discrete five-channel mix to the PLII's matrixed five channels. And at first we thought the switching system wasn't working—the sound hardly changed when we hit the switch. After pulling cables and checking out everything, we realized, by God, it is working! The A/B'd sound was that close!"

Pro Logic II is a 5.1 matrix surround sound, not 2.1.

Apparently my nomenclature is a bit dated. What I've always known as bi-wiring is now referred to as passive bi-amping – wiring two channels from the same amplifier to a single speaker. I have to concede that bi-wiring, by the definition used now, is unlikely to offer any benefits.

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#8 Boxcutters
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I am familiar do you even have a surround sound system, not home theater in a box.

The Wii has no optical outs, it uses red/white stereo which 2.1. It uses a fake pro logic matrix mode.

I play the WII on prologic 2, and nothing is coming from the back speakers.

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I am familiar do you even have a surround sound system, not home theater in a box.

The Wii has no optical outs, it uses red/white stereo which 2.1. It uses a fake pro logic matrix mode.

I play the WII on prologic 2, and nothing is coming from the back speakers.

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From the same Dolby Labs article I linked to earlier.

"Dolby Pro Logic II technology processes any high quality stereo (two-channel) movie and music audio into five playback channels of full-bandwidth surround sound."

Even if the Wii couldn't encode Pro Logic II on the fly, which it can, the Pro Logic II decoder will produce a 5.1 matrix surround sound from the stereo signal. Jim Fosgate, the man who created Pro Logic II, states this very fact several times in the interview I linked to.

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#10 Boxcutters
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LOL! I guess you haven't heard the Wii's "surround sound"

Red/white cable = stereo sound. You won't hear anything from the surrounds from the Wii. Even so the games have to support that and only a few mario games do support pro logic 2.

At least PS2 as an optical out where it sounds like pro logic 2.

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#11 HowardB
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LOL! I guess you haven't heard the Wii's "surround sound"

Red/white cable = stereo sound. You won't hear anything from the surrounds from the Wii. Even so the games have to support that and only a few mario games do support pro logic 2.

At least PS2 as an optical out where it sounds like pro logic 2.

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First, your reading comprehension is hovering near zero. I provided two links refuting your misinformed claims, even posting relevant portions of the articles, yet you still continue with the same claims.

Second, you don't know the first thing about matrix surround sound. Matrix surround sound takes multi-channel audio and encodes it into two channels. In the case of Pro Logic, four channels of audio are encoded into two channels. With Pro Logic II, five channels of audio are encoded into two channels. This is stated in both articles I linked to earlier.

Third, you still don't understand the concept behind Pro Logic II. Even though a matrix encoding process exists, the Pro Logic II decoder doesn't require an encoded signal to produce multi-channel audio. The Pro Logic II decoder is capable of producing multi-channel audio from any standard two channel source. Again, this is stated in both previous links.

Fourth, Pro Logic II works equally well with digital or analog signals. This not only makes the PS2's optical out and the Wii's lack of one irrelevant, it further highlights your complete lack of comprehension.

Lastly, it's painfully obvious you are the one that doesn't actually own a receiver. If you did, you would receive sound from the rear speakers with Pro Logic II enabled while listening to even a standard two channel (red/white = stereo) source. Even the older Pro Logic decoder provided a mixed mono signal to the rear speakers when using a stereo source.

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#12 Boxcutters
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I own the lastest in hdmi recievers, and if you connect a Wii and listen to it, your recevier won't light up DOLBY, it's pro logic 2
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#13 timoi890
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Thanks guys.