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#1 gogators4life
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BioWare VS Bethesda, who is the better PC RPG developer?
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#2 Jade_Monkey
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Bioware without batting an eye. In my opinion Bioware has continued to pump out great games while with each new Bethesda game I have lost a little more faith in them.
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#3 dyscr33t
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I would have to say Bioware, Bethesda would be nothing without the modding community.
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#4 aliblabla2007
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I haven't played a single game from either - but I'm going to say that BioWare is going to win this very easily.

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#5 Jade_Monkey
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I haven't played a single game from either

aliblabla2007

Not an RPG fan ?

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#6 DanielDust
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It's more of a joke than a contest :). Bioware
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#7 fatshodan
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You should alter the poll details. Bethesda didn't develop the Fallout series. They can take credit - or rather responsibility - for Fallout 3, but no other Fallout games.

Bethesda is a joke, anyway. I don't like BioWare's RPGs, but they're lightyears ahead of Bethesda's.

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#8 aliblabla2007
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[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

I haven't played a single game from either

Jade_Monkey

Not an RPG fan ?

Nope.

You see those RPGs I rated in my profile? Fallout 2 is there because I accidentally rated it a 1.0 when checking out the GS page, and I couldn't let that pass. The others just happen to be ones that my parents bought out of impulse when I was younger.

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#9 aliblabla2007
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You should alter the poll details. Bethesda didn't develop the Fallout series. They can take credit - or rather responsibility - for Fallout 3, but no other Fallout games.

fatshodan

Yeah. Come on, Gogators, you gave credit to the guys who turned a Black Isle masterpiece series into an FPSs with RPG elements glued on! What the hell were you thinking?

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#10 wackys
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There really is no contest here.Bioware wins always.Plus Betsheda didn't develop F1 or F2 they are only developing F3.If they developed the first 2 then they might have had a chance.
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#11 tanerb
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easily bethesda. morrowind is way better than any rpg bioware came with
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#12 modai119
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Bioware.... Bethesda lost its touch after Morrowind...
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#13 lordaltay1
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Bioware. elder schools 4 sucked.
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#14 JnWycliffe
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bioware: creators of awesome rpgs.

bethesda: creators of absolutely nothing good in recent years but were pretty cool back in the days when they did terminator games and daggerfall and arena.

btw, "bethesda: fallout series" is wrong in so many ways.

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#15 Johnny_Rock
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Wow.... that's tough. They've both made some serious stinkers of late, but I'd have to say Bethesda has made fewer bad games than Bioware, who hasn't made a decent game (IMO) since BG2.
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#16 naval
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bioware easily, though currently i would say currently obsidian is the best : NWN 2 >> Jade Empire and NWN 2 : MotB >> Mass Effect
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#17 gogators4life
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Bioware is dominating........................
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#18 wackys
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Bioware is dominating........................gogators4life
:lol: what did you expect.
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#20 chesterocks7
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I don't care if BGII was the only game bioware made, it easily beats all the games Bethesda ever made combined.
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#21 Vastano
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I would have to say Bioware, Bethesda would be nothing without the modding community.dyscr33t

I agree.

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#23 tanerb
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[QUOTE="tanerb"]easily bethesda. morrowind is way better than any rpg bioware came withweirjf

:lol: good one!!

wait, you weren't joking? :shock:

no i wasnt. i believe bioware did not do anything good after BG2. their rpgs are way shallow compared to bethesdas, with no replay value. i played morrowind for nearly a year. mass effect took 1 week to get bored.

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#24 irelevent
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[QUOTE="weirjf"]

[QUOTE="tanerb"]easily bethesda. morrowind is way better than any rpg bioware came withtanerb

:lol: good one!!

wait, you weren't joking? :shock:

no i wasnt. i believe bioware did not do anything good after BG2. their rpgs are way shallow compared to bethesdas, with no replay value. i played morrowind for nearly a year. mass effect took 1 week to get bored.

and some would say oblivion has no play value. Bioware Constantly makes games that are cinematic in style you may or may not like that. a game that is a real epic (story wise) should never take longer than a couple days to complete. while oblivion is more like a boring, fight this monster, rescue this dude, shut 16 gates of oblivion. The whole time i was playing oblivion it was like playing an MMORPG, without the PVP, and with the annoying guards who would try to arrest me every 5 seconds.

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#25 Treflis
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Bioware is the best due to they having much more products out.

However I think Bethesda is pretty good too.

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#26 JnWycliffe
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[QUOTE="weirjf"]

[QUOTE="tanerb"]easily bethesda. morrowind is way better than any rpg bioware came withtanerb

:lol: good one!!

wait, you weren't joking? :shock:

no i wasnt. i believe bioware did not do anything good after BG2. their rpgs are way shallow compared to bethesdas, with no replay value. i played morrowind for nearly a year. mass effect took 1 week to get bored.

oblivion is the very definition of shallow. i know - i looked it up!

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#27 J-REAL
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A better match would be Bioware vs Square.

And Square wins that battle.

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#28 DanielDust
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A better match would be Bioware vs Square.

And Square wins that battle.

J-REAL

Square as in what? Square Enix? because if it is SE then LOL. Joke of the year.

If it isn't then I never heard about Square o_0

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#29 Treflis
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[QUOTE="J-REAL"]

A better match would be Bioware vs Square.

And Square wins that battle.

DanielDust

Square as in what? Square Enix? because if it is SE then LOL. Joke of the year.

If it isn't then I never heard about Square o_0

Square is the former name of Square Enix, they changed the name around the time they released Final Fantasy 10
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#30 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="J-REAL"]

A better match would be Bioware vs Square.

And Square wins that battle.

Treflis

Square as in what? Square Enix? because if it is SE then LOL. Joke of the year.

If it isn't then I never heard about Square o_0

Square is the former name of Square Enix, they changed the name around the time they released Final Fantasy 10

Thanks for the info, tho I can swear I saw anime from the 90's that were published by Sqare Enix and not just Square, but anyway thanks ;). Now I know he made a bad joke.

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#31 Treflis
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[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="J-REAL"]

A better match would be Bioware vs Square.

And Square wins that battle.

DanielDust

Square as in what? Square Enix? because if it is SE then LOL. Joke of the year.

If it isn't then I never heard about Square o_0

Square is the former name of Square Enix, they changed the name around the time they released Final Fantasy 10

Thanks for the info, tho I can swear I saw anime from the 90's that were published by Sqare Enix and not just Square, but anyway thanks ;). Now I know he made a bad joke.

No problem, I realized I forgot the last part of the original name, it wasn't just Square, It was Squaresoft.

xP

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#32 tanerb
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lol, guards try to arrest you because you committed a crime. Oblivion may not be as good as morrowind but gameplay is much better than mass effect. if you think oblivion is boring, what about the side missions im mass effect? they must have designed them in 10 minutes.
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#33 DanielDust
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lol, guards try to arrest you because you committed a crime. Oblivion may not be as good as morrowind but gameplay is much better than mass effect. if you think oblivion is boring, what about the side missions im mass effect? they must have designed them in 10 minutes.tanerb

True, but look at Oblivion's dialogs, story, combat system, animations, world, at how over populated it's towns are (6 people on the streets and it's crowded), voice acting (tho I have nothing against the actors :)).

No it's not boring and lacks in substance, that would be an understatement.
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#34 mechwarrior_bob
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Bioware...with KotOR they hands down beat anything Bethesda can come up with
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#35 eggdog1234
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I just started a replay of KOTOR, and it is better than I remembered it being. I am still trying to find a reason to finish Oblivion.
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#36 Royas
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As much as I love the Elder Scrolls games, Morrowind especially, Bioware is the more consistent developer of RPG's. Every RPG they put out is golden, while Bethesda is getting... iffy. Oblivion wasn't half the RPG Morrowind was, for example. They also don't have nearly as large a catalog of RPG's. Bioware not only makes more consistent RPG's, they make them more quickly, and with fewer bugs, I feel. So, while Morrowind is my all time second favorite RPG (Fallout 2 is number one), I have to give the nod to Bioware as the better dev. Shame they are a part of EA now.
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#37 TenP
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Bioware... by at least 1,000 lightyears.
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#38 StrawberryHill
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I've had fun playing Bethseda's games...yes, even Oblivion. But I've had a complete blast playing a lot of BioWare's games.

Definitely BioWare, for me.

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#39 Fuzzy_Bear123
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Bioware... by at least 1,000 lightyears.TenP

Agreed, and listing bethesda as responsible for the fallout series is wrong on many many levels.

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#40 Guiltfeeder566
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Bioware in an instant. Bethesda layed off most of the staff from the good Elder Scrolls game (1-3) and all they did of Fallout is 3, which looks like its going to be Oblivion with guns.
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#41 astri_14
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Both suck now.

Oblivion and Fallout 3 are jokes and Mass Effect was a buggy mess and to my knowledge still isn't fixed. Also took several months to release the Bring Down the Sky content they promised for release.

Dead to me.

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#42 LordVanil
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First of all: the poll is misleading. Bethesda is only responsible for developing Fallout 3. The first two games in the series were developed by Interplay. Do your homework if you're going to compare two long-lived, heavyweight developers like BioWare and Bethesda.

That being said, I prefer BioWare by far. I truly despise The Elder Scrolls series and Oblivion was no exception. I'm not a very big fan of Mass Effect either but BioWare has admittedly been responsible for some truly classic games like Baldur's Gate and Knights of the Old Republic.

~V

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#43 Mazoch
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Eh meh.. I'm a pretty big RPG fan but I've kinda lost faith in both:

Betheda: Defiantly lot more technically capable. Biowares games tend to be simple graphics and enviroments, simple combat and essentially 2d enviroments (Noticed how KotOR doesn't really have a Y axis?).

Bioware: Miles ahead of Betheda when it comes to telling a good story with engaging characters.. however I do feel that biowares latest games tend to kinda.. flow together. The stories feel kinda similar, the characters like someone you've seen before, the surprise twist' not that big a surprise anymore.

I'd ideally reserve judgement until I try Fallout 3, but here and now I'd say bioware simply because I enjoy their games a lot more in spite of their flaws.

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#44 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Beth's latest game, Oblivion. Was the definition of shallow in every way possible.. Dumbing down is usually a myth in my book, but Oblivion was a clear dumbed down of Morrowind and RPG's in general.. Fallout 3 looks to be the exact same, and I seriously want to curb stomp the magazines and gaming sites crying out its like the coming of christ.
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#45 foxhound_fox
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The only really "quality" RPG Bethesda ever released was Daggerfall. Both Morrowind and Oblivion failed to live up to their predecessors.

BioWare is still releasing quality games. They may not be "true" to the RPG styIes of yore but they are still quality releases.
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#46 nevereathim
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[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

You should alter the poll details. Bethesda didn't develop the Fallout series. They can take credit - or rather responsibility - for Fallout 3, but no other Fallout games.

aliblabla2007

Yeah. Come on, Gogators, you gave credit to the guys who turned a Black Isle masterpiece series into an FPSs with RPG elements glued on! What the hell were you thinking?

No, and honestly, can you stop making the same thread about which developer is better..it's starting to get annoying (I bet I'll get modded for this because people will say I'm "trolling" but I'm just being honest"

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#47 teardropmina
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Mass Effect was a buggy mess and to my knowledge still isn't fixed.

astri_14

there are quite a few reasons for me to consider ME as the worse Bioware effort, but bug isn't one of them.

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#48 naval
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Bioware: Miles ahead of Betheda when it comes to telling a good story with engaging characters.. however I do feel that biowares latest games tend to kinda.. flow together. The stories feel kinda similar, the characters like someone you've seen before, the surprise twist' not that big a surprise anymore. Mazoch

agreed the story in bioware games seem pretty generic and dragon age sadly looks to be same

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#49 bkhorizon
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that's funny I finished the game with only a few crashes, which is fine for me for almost 40 hours of gameplay. I am going to say Bioware fo sho, KOTOR and Mass Effect ftw.
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#50 Grim_Wolf88
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My vote goes to Bioware. Bethesda lost their ability to make an RPG after Daggerfall though it could be argued that it happened after Morrowind. Bioware however has kept strong despite the bump they hit with Mass Effect. Hopefully Dragon Age will bring them back from that.