Btw, I never played WoW. When I was talking about casualising the genre, I was talking about WoW having faction based PvP which was meaningless and instanced-based PvE which protects you from PvP during PvE. Basically, the fact that you don't get to fight for your PvE in WoW and have clan vs clan battles and the such. That's what I meant by carebear. Carebears, in open PvP games like L2, were called the clans that completely avoided PvP all the time so they could PvE. They wouldn't accept clan wars, they wouldn't flag during raid PvP fights, practically, they were cowards. WoW was basically centered around this type of gameplay, completely cutting out player interaction outside the raid group during dungeons/raids and the such with lolinstances. At least as far as I know the actual PvE was quite challenging. And you guys say they casualised this even more?
No wonder this genre is going downhill. Hope the casuals and the people who want to play a story-driven campaign in an MMO (lol) lose interest soon and the genre goes back to it's roots.
QQabitmoar
this may help you: wow has a few different ways to level:1. questing in an open world interacting with everyone from both factions: horde and alliance. If you are on a pvp server, everyone is automatically flagged for pvp and you have no choice in the matter, you must fight or hide. this can be extremely frustrating just starting out because you will be ganked countless times before max level by other players that are already maxxed level. If you are on a RP (role play) server, same scenario about questing and interaction with both factions but you must flag yourself to participate in pvp (unless you enter a zone controlled by the enemy faction, or designated places in the world such as world arenas or world pvp objectives. both will flag you for pvp if you want it or not.
2. instanced dungeons, (you are right about this, the instances are set up to keep your group or raid separate from the rest of those pesky players that would try to grief you during your 3 hour plus raid or dungeon group. a player can level to max level by just using the dungeon finder. the dungeon finder is a tool you can use that will automatically find a group of players to group with you to run instanced dungeons without having to stand in a city yelling in the chat channel "looking for group". another advantage to dungeon finder is: you can do instanced dungeons with either people you know from your server, people you know from a different server, or people you never met before from a mixture of your server and other servers)
3. Battlegrounds. Battlegrounds are on both pvp and pve servers. Battlegrounds are instanced pvp that pit you against the opposing faction in a cross server pvp environment. there are several different objective type games such as: capture the flag, raid the other teams raid boss after destroying the gates of their fortress with vehicles, raid the other teams raid boss after fighting the other team to gain access to their raid boss. although wows pvp is pretty unbalanced, it has it, and unless you are on an RP server you cant avoid it. also there are rated arena 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5, and rated battlegrounds.
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