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#1 milla777
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1. What will YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing. Highend Gaming 2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread $1000, give or take 3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from. USA 4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc. No preference 6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads. Yes I have searched many forums for answers 7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds. Maybe later on 8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with. Not sure 9. WHEN do you plan to build it? Early November THIS IS MY FIRST BUILD How are these components? This is all $1020 and I still have to buy an OS, monitor, optical drive, power supply, and whatever else I've forgotten about. I would really appreciate your input and suggestions. I'm looking to be able to play all the current games out there are on high settings, especially Starcraft 2 on Ultra settings. Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145260 Motherboard: MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130223 Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103808 GPU: HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161330 Case: Corsair 800D http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139002 HD Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EARS 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136513
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#2 iliatay
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i'd slap down $10 more for this gpu instead:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187110or i'd suggest not spending that much on a case and getting something like this instead:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163154and get this gpu with the money saved:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125316

.... but thats just me

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#3 NLahren
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take a cheaper case like haf 932 big tower and will do a good job too, with the money that u save from case u can buy a better gfx card like 5870 or gtx 480and maybe a good aftermarket cpu cooler to oc your cpu u need psu take a good brand like corsair
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#4 milla777
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Thanks guys so basically it sounds like the case is the only thing I need to change...
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#5 ionusX
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your computer needs more PSU!!!!

jk OP im not out to troll or anything.. but seriosuly youve neglected to list a power supply..

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#6 iliatay
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[QUOTE="milla777"]Thanks guys so basically it sounds like the case is the only thing I need to change...

i would also definitely change the gpu too
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#7 ionusX
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[QUOTE="milla777"]Thanks guys so basically it sounds like the case is the only thing I need to change...iliatay
i would also definitely change the gpu too

illatay your never gonna convince him.. some people jsut wont listen..

give up go home :|

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#8 milla777
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Should I go with the gtx 470 instead of the ati 5850?
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#9 jtcraft
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The 470 has performance between the 5850 and 5870. And it can perform just as well as the 5870 in some games. The downside to the GTX 470 is that it runs hotter than 5800 series ATI cards and uses more power. Go with the HAF 932 instead of the 800D as it has better airflow which will mean lower temps. The 800D is geared more towards someone using a water cooling setup.
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#10 freesafety13
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I put this together for you on Newegg.  I should have cropped the image but dont have any cropping tools on my work pc.
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#11 milla777
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[QUOTE="freesafety13"]I put this together for you on Newegg. I should have cropped the image but dont have any cropping tools on my work pc.

This looks PERFECT. Right in my budget too :) What kind of settings do you think I could run Crysis, Starcraft 2, and Bad Company 2 at? What monitor would you guys recommend? I don't think I want to spend more than 200 for one What do you guys think of this one? ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor-$169 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
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#12 ravenguard90
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Came up with another build for you. Managed to squeeze a better video card:

Lite-ON DVD Drive
Scythe Case Fan (to put in the front of the case)
Corsair 650TX 650w Power Supply w/ WD Caviar Black 1TB Hard Drive
Corsair 4GB DDR3-1600 4GB Memory w/ NZXT M59 Case
Gigabyte HD 5870 Video Card w/ AMD Phenom II X4 965 Processor
Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H Motherboard w/ Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Operating System

Grand total, including shipping: $1000.05

- I switched the processor because quad-cores are more than enough for games nowadays, and it is much faster compared to the X6 in terms of frequency. Assuming you're not looking into overclocking, the 965 would be a better buy for your needs.

- Changed the power supply to a 650w because it is more than enough for a single-GPU setup. Granted, you will need to upgrade your power supply when you do decide to get a second one, but single-GPU cards out currently are more than enough to handle any game running at resolutions up to 1080p, and even more in some.

- Changed the hard drive to a Caviar Black as it is one of the fastest platter drives you can get right now. This will help with load times, be it booting into Windows or loading a game.

- Changed the memory because it was in a combo with the case. The M59 is one of the best value for your money in terms of cases. It has ample room for extra fans, it has cable management capabilities, andit can support cards as long as the 5870, which is the longest single-GPU card in the market currently.

- Changed the video card as it is faster than the 5850. It will handle all those games you mentioned very well.

- Changed the motherboard to a Gigabyte as I find them to be a more reliable brand. ASRock is decent, but if you can afford a Gigabyte or ASUS, then I would suggest getting those instead. Combo'd the operating system with it too.

And as for your inquiry about the monitor, I personally used a VH202T-P before, and all I had was good things to say about it. ASUS is a good brand for monitors, and that looks to be no different with that one.

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#13 iliatay
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[QUOTE="iliatay"][QUOTE="milla777"]Thanks guys so basically it sounds like the case is the only thing I need to change...ionusX

i would also definitely change the gpu too

illatay your never gonna convince him.. some people jsut wont listen..

give up go home :|

why so offensive? :? it was just a suggestion.

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#14 Kratier
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if you look at any of the latest video card news youd see that they are going to push out a new line of video cards for the holiday season, i'd suggest waiting til then,

otherwise in 3 months your brand new 1000$ computer will already be outdated

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#15 milla777
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In regards to Ravenguard's system: How would this system perform with dual 5870's? (down the road, of course). This looks like a great system. Do you think the price of the 5870 will go down if I buy this in early November since the 6000 series is coming out? P.S. I tried to quote his post but it said my html wasn't well formed....
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Upon further review, it actually looks like the 880G chipset that the Gigabyte motherboard has does not support Crossfire, so no dual 5870's with this board. However, if you do get another motherboard that supports 16x/4x Crossfire, the performance does not look to be affected very much, if at all. As long as you stick with resolutions below 2560x1600, it should be fine. If you are interested in getting a Crossfire-capable motherboard, then let me know, and I'll go and see what I can find for you.

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Upon further review, it actually looks like the 880G chipset that the Gigabyte motherboard has does not support Crossfire, so no dual 5870's with this board. However, if you do get another motherboard that supports 16x/4x Crossfire, the performance does not look to be affected very much, if at all. As long as you stick with resolutions below 2560x1600, it should be fine. If you are interested in getting a Crossfire-capable motherboard, then let me know, and I'll go and see what I can find for you.

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Well I have no problem with the 880G paired with the 5870. I looked at a review and it looked like two 5870 GPU's are hardly better than just one (in most scenarios). I guess the only concern I have is 6-12 months down the road when I have to upgrade to play some fancy new game on super high settings, would it be good to have a crossfire ready motherboard, or would a single high end GPU be just as good...or even better (less power consumption and heat). Can AMD motherboards go SLI or is that only intel? I read that SLI can work for GeForce AND ati, but crossfire cannot do Geforce. In the research I've been doing it seems like Geforce SLI systems are way superior of ATI Crossfire systems. I think I'm pretty set on getting the 5870 for now though, along with the x4 965 processor, and pretty much everything else you listed.
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#18 jtcraft
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[QUOTE="ravenguard90"]

Upon further review, it actually looks like the 880G chipset that the Gigabyte motherboard has does not support Crossfire, so no dual 5870's with this board. However, if you do get another motherboard that supports 16x/4x Crossfire, the performance does not look to be affected very much, if at all. As long as you stick with resolutions below 2560x1600, it should be fine. If you are interested in getting a Crossfire-capable motherboard, then let me know, and I'll go and see what I can find for you.

milla777

Well I have no problem with the 880G paired with the 5870. I looked at a review and it looked like two 5870 GPU's are hardly better than just one (in most scenarios). I guess the only concern I have is 6-12 months down the road when I have to upgrade to play some fancy new game on super high settings, would it be good to have a crossfire ready motherboard, or would a single high end GPU be just as good...or even better (less power consumption and heat). Can AMD motherboards go SLI or is that only intel? I read that SLI can work for GeForce AND ati, but crossfire cannot do Geforce. In the research I've been doing it seems like Geforce SLI systems are way superior of ATI Crossfire systems. I think I'm pretty set on getting the 5870 for now though, along with the x4 965 processor, and pretty much everything else you listed.

Some prefer to go with just one high end card rather than a multi-gpu setup (SLI & Crossfire). You can run into bugs and problems with a multi-gpu setup. I have two GTX 470's in SLI (my first time with SLI) and have had great performance and haven't run into any bugs/problems so far. If you want to SLI (Nvidia's multi-gpu tech) with an AMD cpu then you will need an AM3 mobo with an nforce chipset. An AMD mobo with an Nforce chipset can only do SLI not Crossfire, though it can still run a single AMD gpu. There are only a few AMD mobo's that use the Nforce chipset. Most use an AMD chipset that allows Crossfire (AMD/ATI multi-gpu tech). Intel's P55 (socket 1156) and X58 (socket 1366) mobo's are capable of running both SLI and Crossfire.

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looks fine but don't get the wd caviar green, it runs at 5400rpm rather than 7200 and is designed to be quiet rather than be performance driven, for gaming I'd recommend the black which is made for performance.
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[QUOTE="milla777"][QUOTE="freesafety13"]I put this together for you on Newegg. I should have cropped the image but dont have any cropping tools on my work pc.

This looks PERFECT. Right in my budget too :) What kind of settings do you think I could run Crysis, Starcraft 2, and Bad Company 2 at? What monitor would you guys recommend? I don't think I want to spend more than 200 for one What do you guys think of this one? ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor-$169 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Considering I can run crysis and bad company on med with a 8800gt and phenom 2 940 I would think it would run fine on high. I'd recommend a monitor around 20-24" with a resolution of 1680 x1050 - 1920 x1200 depending on what you do, for gaming and movies a 1920 x 1080p one would be best but for general computing a 1920 x 1200 would be better but you can by 2 1080p monitors for the same price as 1 1920 x 1200 monitor so probably not the best idea when 2 monitors is always better than one for general computing.
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[QUOTE="milla777"][QUOTE="ravenguard90"]

Upon further review, it actually looks like the 880G chipset that the Gigabyte motherboard has does not support Crossfire, so no dual 5870's with this board. However, if you do get another motherboard that supports 16x/4x Crossfire, the performance does not look to be affected very much, if at all. As long as you stick with resolutions below 2560x1600, it should be fine. If you are interested in getting a Crossfire-capable motherboard, then let me know, and I'll go and see what I can find for you.

jtcraft

Well I have no problem with the 880G paired with the 5870. I looked at a review and it looked like two 5870 GPU's are hardly better than just one (in most scenarios). I guess the only concern I have is 6-12 months down the road when I have to upgrade to play some fancy new game on super high settings, would it be good to have a crossfire ready motherboard, or would a single high end GPU be just as good...or even better (less power consumption and heat). Can AMD motherboards go SLI or is that only intel? I read that SLI can work for GeForce AND ati, but crossfire cannot do Geforce. In the research I've been doing it seems like Geforce SLI systems are way superior of ATI Crossfire systems. I think I'm pretty set on getting the 5870 for now though, along with the x4 965 processor, and pretty much everything else you listed.

Some prefer to go with just one high end card rather than a multi-gpu setup (SLI & Crossfire). You can run into bugs and problems with a multi-gpu setup. I have two GTX 470's in SLI (my first time with SLI) and have had great performance and haven't run into any bugs/problems so far. If you want to SLI (Nvidia's multi-gpu tech) with an AMD cpu then you will need an AM3 mobo with an nforce chipset. An AMD mobo with an Nforce chipset can only do SLI not Crossfire, though it can still run a single AMD gpu. There are only a few AMD mobo's that use the Nforce chipset. Most use an AMD chipset that allows Crossfire (AMD/ATI multi-gpu tech). Intel's P55 (socket 1156) and X58 (socket 1366) mobo's are capable of running both SLI and Crossfire.

I agree, have never seen the point in dual card setups unless you run crazy resolutions or need more than 2 monitors. 3 years later and my 8800gt can still run any game I throw at it. Sure two would be better but the gains are not worth the extra you have to spend on the motherboard as well as extra gpu.
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#22 milla777
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="milla777"][QUOTE="freesafety13"]I put this together for you on Newegg. I should have cropped the image but dont have any cropping tools on my work pc.

This looks PERFECT. Right in my budget too :) What kind of settings do you think I could run Crysis, Starcraft 2, and Bad Company 2 at? What monitor would you guys recommend? I don't think I want to spend more than 200 for one What do you guys think of this one? ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor-$169 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Considering I can run crysis and bad company on med with a 8800gt and phenom 2 940 I would think it would run fine on high. I'd recommend a monitor around 20-24" with a resolution of 1680 x1050 - 1920 x1200 depending on what you do, for gaming and movies a 1920 x 1080p one would be best but for general computing a 1920 x 1200 would be better but you can by 2 1080p monitors for the same price as 1 1920 x 1200 monitor so probably not the best idea when 2 monitors is always better than one for general computing.

This computer will pretty much be used only for gaming. So I'm guessing that ASUS I listed is a good choice...
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#23 milla777
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Would my 32" sanyo 720p HDTV work as a monitor? or at least as a temporary one?
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I don't see why not... As long as it has an HDMI or a VGA port on it, then you would be able to use it.

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Just wanted to let you know that the build I put together has the power supply and motherboard to support crossfire, thus why I only suggested 1 5850 for the time being with the ability to upgrade to a crossfire 5850 in the future.
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#26 paladinqueen
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i have see a lot ,so i have no any idea..

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#27 milla777
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Sounds pretty awesome. I will be ordering my new computer very shortly. Anyone recommend any good youtube videos or anything to help me actually put it together?
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#28 ravenguard90
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Sounds pretty awesome. I will be ordering my new computer very shortly. Anyone recommend any good youtube videos or anything to help me actually put it together?milla777

There's a stickied guide on this very forum that shows you how to put everything together. It looks to cover everything that you'll need to know.