buliding my first pc

my specs so far(please dont tell me my cpu is bad)

cpu: Pentium D 3.4ghz

Ram: 3gb

GPU: ???

i need a gpu that wont be bottlenecked by my cpu too much and possibly 100 dollars or around that much, i also apologize for having the same topic in the software forum, i did that by accident

You're not "building" a PC if it includes a 7 year old CPU.

As I've said in your other thread, I think a 3.4 GHz dual core is enough for games and for a GTX 460.

Most games nowadays are more GPU dependent anyway(with a few exceptions of course) so you can get away with a crappy CPU as long as you have a decent GPU.

As I've said in your other thread, I think a 3.4 GHz dual core is enough for games and for a GTX 460.

Most games nowadays are more GPU dependent anyway(with a few exceptions of course) so you can get away with a crappy CPU as long as you have a decent GPU.

not_wanted

That's a Core 2 Duo equivalent? Jeez these Pentium brands are really deceiving.

If that's the case, you would also need to take the PSU into account if you want to upgrade the GPU.

i think my PSU is 400 watts and the pentium D isnt a core2duo equivalent its worse, i think ill go with a 4850 is that alright?

and the pentium D isnt a core2duo equivalent its worse

Clipper591

Well then you're not really "building" a new PC. You're just adding a GPU.

And yes, a 4850 is still a great buy. I would recommend a 5750 instead, however, because I'm afraid the 4850 uses quite a bit of power. The 5750 doesn't.

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and the pentium D isnt a core2duo equivalent its worse

kaitanuvax

Well then you're not really "building" a new PC. You're just adding a GPU.

And yes, a 4850 is still a great buy. I would recommend a 5750 instead, however, because I'm afraid the 4850 uses quite a bit of power. The 5750 doesn't.

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and the pentium D isnt a core2duo equivalent its worse

Clipper591

Well then you're not really "building" a new PC. You're just adding a GPU.

And yes, a 4850 is still a great buy. I would recommend a 5750 instead, however, because I'm afraid the 4850 uses quite a bit of power. The 5750 doesn't.

hmm i can get a gtx 460 for 130 dollars and id be able to carry that over when i upgrade my mobo and cpu, but would that be a bottlenecking nightmare? how much fps would i say get on crysis, at 1280x768 with settings on high but not very high

I doubt your PSU would be able to run a 460.

hmm i can get a gtx 460 for 130 dollars and id be able to carry that over when i upgrade my mobo and cpu, but would that be a bottlenecking nightmare? how much fps would i say get on crysis, at 1280x768 with settings on high but not very high

Clipper591

depends on the game. There are games that are way to GPU depended and there are games that are also CPU depended

For instance Metro 2033 is GPU depended while strategy games usually require you to have a good CPU as well ( for instance with shogun 2 i would say its a no-no with that CPU you have )

Take a look at those to get an idea

Bulletstorm GPU & CPU Performance In-depth ( cpu helps but not that important so you can get by with even an old dual core )

Metro 2033 is completely GPU depended and going from single to quad core will make almost no difference same going from to 2 to 4ghz ( of course the Cpu tested here is newer architecture so dont expect similar results but goes to show metro 2033 is way to gpu depended aka the way nvidia wants it )

Now take a look in something strategy like world in conflict(this is cpu depdended and while increasing resolution GPU becomes more important having a good CPU still is important)

GTA4 also is CPU depended

But even with games that are way to GPU depended the pentium D will still be a limiting factor

Again i dont agree using gtx460 on a pentium D since it will seriously bottleneck that card but said you are gonna upgrade to a better CPU/mobo and you are gonna keep the gtx460. If thats the case then go for it just dont wait to long to upgrade. For instance if you upgrade in 12 months or more from now the gtx460 will be a waste since by that time the limiting factor will probably be the gtx460 to your new CPU

Now if you are gonna upgrade within this year i say go for it

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hmm i can get a gtx 460 for 130 dollars and id be able to carry that over when i upgrade my mobo and cpu, but would that be a bottlenecking nightmare? how much fps would i say get on crysis, at 1280x768 with settings on high but not very high

adamosmaki

depends on the game. There are games that are way to GPU depended and there are games that are also CPU depended

For instance Metro 2033 is GPU depended while strategy games usually require you to have a good CPU as well ( for instance with shogun 2 i would say its a no-no with that CPU you have )

Take a look at those to get an idea

Bulletstorm GPU & CPU Performance In-depth ( cpu helps but not that important so you can get by with even an old dual core )

Metro 2033 is completely GPU depended and going from single to quad core will make almost no difference same going from to 2 to 4ghz ( of course the Cpu tested here is newer architecture so dont expect similar results but goes to show metro 2033 is way to gpu depended aka the way nvidia wants it )

Now take a look in something strategy like world in conflict(this is cpu depdended and while increasing resolution GPU becomes more important having a good CPU still is important)

GTA4 also is CPU depended

But even with games that are way to GPU depended the pentium D will still be a limiting factor

Again i dont agree using gtx460 on a pentium D since it will seriously bottleneck that card but said you are gonna upgrade to a better CPU/mobo and you are gonna keep the gtx460. If thats the case then go for it just dont wait to long to upgrade. For instance if you upgrade in 12 months or more from now the gtx460 will be a waste since by that time the limiting factor will probably be the gtx460 to your new CPU

Now if you are gonna upgrade within this year i say go for it

alright now im confused, my psu is older and i dont think it has pcie connectors to provide extra power, so does the 5570 need to be connectoed to the psu? or do i have to buy a new PSU entirely?

alright now im confused, my psu is older and i dont think it has pcie connectors to provide extra power, so does the 5570 need to be connectoed to the psu? or do i have to buy a new PSU entirely?

Clipper591

alright now im confused, my psu is older and i dont think it has pcie connectors to provide extra power, so does the 5570 need to be connectoed to the psu? or do i have to buy a new PSU entirely?

Clipper591

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alright now im confused, my psu is older and i dont think it has pcie connectors to provide extra power, so does the 5570 need to be connectoed to the psu? or do i have to buy a new PSU entirely?

gmaster456

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alright now im confused, my psu is older and i dont think it has pcie connectors to provide extra power, so does the 5570 need to be connectoed to the psu? or do i have to buy a new PSU entirely?

swehunt

i think the 5570 is better as i DO have to get a new psu and with shipping ant taxes that can be 250 dollars, and in 6 months when i upgrade i will still need a new GPU, but with the 5570 i pay like 80 dollars and save more money

i think the 5570 is better as i DO have to get a new psu and with shipping ant taxes that can be 250 dollars, and in 6 months when i upgrade i will still need a new GPU, but with the 5570 i pay like 80 dollars and save more money

Clipper591

The HD5570 would let you play less demanding games if your CPU would.

My brother had a simular issue few years ago, he had a P4 w HT @ 3.8Ghz (little better than what you have) brougth a HD3850 (better than what you have) and could still play some games well but modern games would not untill he got himself a stronger C2D later on but when he did the HD3850 was still to slow.

Now C2D's are the past and so is the HD3850, both is outdated a quad and a HD4850 seems to be the lower specs if your intrested in running games very good.

Im just advicing you against doing the same as he did, it'll cost you that $80 in the end.

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i think the 5570 is better as i DO have to get a new psu and with shipping ant taxes that can be 250 dollars, and in 6 months when i upgrade i will still need a new GPU, but with the 5570 i pay like 80 dollars and save more money

swehunt

The HD5570 would let you play less demanding games if your CPU would.

My brother had a simular issue few years ago, he had a P4 w HT @ 3.8Ghz (little better than what you have) brougth a HD3850 (better than what you have) and could still play some games well but modern games would not untill he got himself a stronger C2D later on but when he did the HD3850 was still to slow.

Now C2D's are the past and so is the HD3850, both is outdated a quad and a HD4850 seems to be the lower specs if your intrested in running games very good.

Im just advicing you against doing the same as he did, it'll cost you that $80 in the end.

but i seem to have run into a problem, the hd5570 is pcie 2.1 while all i have is a pciex16 slot, i know that pcie 2.0 is backwards compatible, but i heard that 2.1 isnt. Is this true?

but i seem to have run into a problem, the hd5570 is pcie 2.1 while all i have is a pciex16 slot, i know that pcie 2.0 is backwards compatible, but i heard that 2.1 isnt. Is this true?

Clipper591

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but i seem to have run into a problem, the hd5570 is pcie 2.1 while all i have is a pciex16 slot, i know that pcie 2.0 is backwards compatible, but i heard that 2.1 isnt. Is this true?

swehunt

You're not building a computer. You're taking a 7 year old Dell and putting a 2 year old graphics card in it.

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but i seem to have run into a problem, the hd5570 is pcie 2.1 while all i have is a pciex16 slot, i know that pcie 2.0 is backwards compatible, but i heard that 2.1 isnt. Is this true?

Clipper591

it isnt a 7 year old dell, i got this mobo in 2006, but only started pc gaming recently but cant afford a new comp yet

and does a gt 240 require to be connected to the PSU?

also im not trying to run the most recent games, heres DMC4 running at high with 60fps which is great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvecENic7Nk

would this http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=VC-AS-ENGT240%2FDI%2F1GD3%2FAneed to be connected to the psu?

would this http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=VC-AS-ENGT240%2FDI%2F1GD3%2FAneed to be connected to the psu?

Clipper591

It's not worth to upgrade an old PC, I know I did, and still couldn't play games decently. Just wasted money. With a GTX 460 you can play Crysis 2 on hardcore (max settings) in DX 9 on 1680x1050 res (see benchmark on nvidia's site). Or if you don't have the money just wait as you said another six month and get all the parts then.

I think it's worth the wait and you'll upgrade just in time for games like Rage, Battlefield 3 and Skyrim.

i can afford it but it would be wasted as i cant use it to its full potential, and in 6 or 7 months the gtx 460 would be older and i would be looking to gte a new card like a 580 or so

i can afford it but it would be wasted as i cant use it to its full potential, and in 6 or 7 months the gtx 460 would be older and i would be looking to gte a new card like a 580 or so

Clipper591

dude im not waiting until the end of they year with 15+games i cant run, i need a pc thats proper and i will save later

pentium D 3.4ghz is much better than a pentium 4, pentium d is dual core Clipper591

i can afford it but it would be wasted as i cant use it to its full potential, and in 6 or 7 months the gtx 460 would be older and i would be looking to gte a new card like a 580 or so

Clipper591

dude im not waiting until the end of they year with 15+games i cant run, i need a pc thats proper and i will save later

Clipper591

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dude im not waiting until the end of they year with 15+games i cant run, i need a pc thats proper and i will save later

gmaster456

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i can afford it but it would be wasted as i cant use it to its full potential, and in 6 or 7 months the gtx 460 would be older and i would be looking to gte a new card like a 580 or so

not_wanted

bump does a GT 240 need to be hooked up to a PSU?

bump does a GT 240 need to be hooked up to a PSU?

Clipper591

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bump does a GT 240 need to be hooked up to a PSU?

swehunt

and i can play at a max res of 1440x1900 would it make any diffirence to get a 1gb card over a 512mb?

and i can play at a max res of 1440x1900 would it make any diffirence to get a 1gb card over a 512mb?

Clipper591

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and i can play at a max res of 1440x1900 would it make any diffirence to get a 1gb card over a 512mb?

not_wanted

A 5670 is miles better than either the GT 240 512MB or 1GB while cheaper too.

A 5670 is miles better than either the GT 240 512MB or 1GB while cheaper too.

kaitanuvax

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and i can play at a max res of 1440x1900 would it make any diffirence to get a 1gb card over a 512mb?

Clipper591