Buying USB headphones, will they work?

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#1 Chaay
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I am going to go out and buy a set of headphones to use for my PC and my Xbox 360 (probably http://tiny.cc/3yd3n in case you are interested), but I've never bought a pair before and I don't know if it will work with my computer speakers. I just have a pair of ordinary desktop computer speakers that came with a sub-woofer that plug into the back of the computer. I get the picture on my Xbox 360 off my computer monitor and my sound from the speakers. Though the desktop tower itself has sound, its way too quiet and that is why I have the speakers. Now, from what I understand the headphones I am going to buy plug in via USB. So I am wondering if anyone can tell me whether or not they think the headphones will get sound on my computer and on my Xbox 360. The problem I think I would have is that my speakers do not have a headphone jack, but since the headphones I will buy plug in via USB I don't think it will be an issue. I apologize if this doesn't make since, but I'm totally inexperienced when it comes to audio tech. Sorry!
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#2 Bozanimal
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Good evening, Chaay, and welcome to the Audio/Video forums!

To start, I would strongly suggest reading the Headphones sticky at the top of the forum. Then, if you have particular questions regarding your needs, come back and ask additional questions. There are lots of members here willing to assist.

Happy gaming,

Boz

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#3 Chaay
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Hi, thank you for the welcome. I actually checked out your sticky beforehand and it was very informative. However, the way I have my computer and Xbox rigged up is kind of odd I think, so it may just be best for me to buy the headphones and see if they work or not. I will just list my basic setup and continue searching and clicking those links in the sticky, and reading any replies I get here. I connect my Xbox 360 to my PC monitor with the Microsoft HD VGA cable and then plug the audio jacks into an adapter which goes into the line-in port on the back of my desktop tower. My speakers plug into the audio port on the back of my desktop tower. I'm not audio savvy, but I think that the computer speakers I have (two of them that sit on either side of the computer) draw power from the sound card in my desktop tower. So I "think" my question is: If I purchase the X11 Turtle Beaches (or any USB Headphones) to use for my Xbox 360 and PC, will they work properly? Because I imagine the headphones would draw power from the computer speakers which draw power from the sound card, and I don't think there's enough audio ports on the computer to accomplish that. But I might just be confused and I don't even need the computer speakers plugged in; I just need to make sure I am not using the default sound card only as it is way too quiet. I apologize if this is covered in the sticky. I have searched quite a bit and have not found an answer, but I will continue looking. Thanks for any replies!
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...plug the audio jacks into an adapter which goes into the line-in port on the back of my desktop tower. My speakers plug into the audio port on the back of my desktop tower. I'm not audio savvy, but I think that the computer speakers I have (two of them that sit on either side of the computer) draw power from the sound card in my desktop tower.Chaay
There are a number of things that could be happening here, but let's start with some follow-up questions:

  1. Do your computer speakers require an external power source, meaning do they have a plug that goes into the wall or require batteries? If not (i.e. they do not turn on in any way), they run off the power of your PC's speaker output jack.
  2. Does your computer have a front-panel audio output jack? If you don't see one, look around for a small panel; most PCs made in the past five years have some form of front-panel jack. It is typically marked, though not always, with a green ring. If you have a front-panel jack (a 3.5mm jack), you can plug a pair of regular headphones into that jack directly; that's what it was meant for, really. Grab a pair of headphones - any headphones - and test to see if it works. When you plug your headphones into the front audio jack it should automatically disable the PC speakers. Report back; if you do not have a front-panel jack, reply accordingly and move on to the next question!
  3. Do you require a microphone, meaning a headset with a mic built-in? Generally if you are using this kind of setup your PC microphone jack will not communicate with your XBox360, and you'll have to jack into the XBox360 directly regardless.

So I "think" my question is: If I purchase the X11 Turtle Beaches (or any USB Headphones) to use for my Xbox 360 and PC, will they work properly?Chaay
The Turtle Beach software should disable your speakers when the headphones are plugged in. If they do not, you can go into the default Windows "Volume Control" and adjust your PC Speaker output. Just go into "Options," then "Properties," and enable the check box for "PC Speaker." This will allow you to adjust its volume independently.
Because I imagine the headphones would draw power from the computer speakers which draw power from the sound card, and I don't think there's enough audio ports on the computer to accomplish that. But I might just be confused and I don't even need the computer speakers plugged in; I just need to make sure I am not using the default sound card only as it is way too quiet.Chaay
You will not hurt your PC plugging lots of PC speakers into the various jacks; it's actually quite difficult to hurt a PC by plugging something into the wrong jack, since each plug on a PC is designed for a specific purpose. A power cable from the PSU will not go into a SATA plug which will not go into an IDE slot which will not attach to a Power On header; so no worries, there.

I think that's enough for now.

Good luck,

Boz

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#7 Chaay
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I want to preface my post by saying that Google Chrome is not working well with Gamespot and making it difficult to quote and causing paragraphs to jumble up, so bear with me here. Yes, my speakers do have an external power source. My speakers hook into a subwoofer and the subwoofer plugs into the wall for power.

My computer does have a front-panel jack for headphone and microphone. However, the headphones will then only use the sound from the sound card, not the speakers. The sound card(I think its integrated) is way, way too quiet, whereas if I can play through the speakers the sound volume is fine. Normally I could just plug the headphones into the speakers, but the speakers lack any jack. I have two questions of my own which I will list below which might solve my problem entirely that will not require me to purchase new speakers.

Do you require a microphone, meaning a headset with a mic built-in? Generally if you are using this kind of setup your PC microphone jack will not communicate with your XBox360, and you'll have to jack into the XBox360 directly regardless.

I do not require a microphone. After reading the sticky, Turtle Beaches have a negative outlook; I just heard about them through word of mouth while online. I do not understand your second setence:?

The Turtle Beach software should disable your speakers when the headphones are plugged in. If they do not, you can go into the default Windows "Volume Control" and adjust your PC Speaker output. Just go into "Options," then "Properties," and enable the check box for "PC Speaker." This will allow you to adjust its volume independently.

Here is one of the two questions I had. From what I understand, the desktop speakers I have possess their own drivers and, using an external power source, are able to amplify my sound card so I can get a louder sound with bass, etc. (this might be all wrong, I have no idea). So I am wondering if the Turtle Beaches, or any $50+ headphones really also possess their own drivers and use their own sound totally and would not need to use my desktop speakers whatsoever? This way I wouldn't have to plug in my speakers and that would free up the audio port for the headphones.

You will not hurt your PC plugging lots of PC speakers into the various jacks; it's actually quite difficult to hurt a PC by plugging something into the wrong jack, since each plug on a PC is designed for a specific purpose. A power cable from the PSU will not go into a SATA plug which will not go into an IDE slot which will not attach to a Power On header; so no worries, there.

My second question is about port availability. I have my Xbox 360 plugged into the line-in port via an HD AV cable, and my speakers in that green audio port. So I think it's impossible for me to add 3.5mm headphones because I have no ports left, right? Unless either: USB Headphones will work, or if headphones have their own drivers and don't need the desktop speakers to be plugged in to get high volume (keep in mind that my sound card volume is super low). I've read about buying sound cards, but my computer is on loan through my college, so I need an external "amp" like my computer speakers until I buy a computer of my own. Again thanks for being so helpful, I don't expect anyone to pick through my wall of text, but if someone reads it I will check back often.

So in tl:dr form, I think I need a pair of headphones that either rely on my speakers' drivers or their own drivers for sound volume/quality/bass/etc. But I've only plugged in earbuds before to the front-panel headphone jack. I turned the Windows volume all the way up and it was too quiet. Maybe something like the Turtle Beaches that has its own volume control might be loud enough even plugged into that head phone jack, but that's something I hope a forum-goer could answer.
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Allow me to summarize, and correct me if I'm wrong: Your speakers work fine, but the audio output on the front panel of your PC seems to be too quiet when you plug in your earbuds.


I am inclined to believe you have a software issue. Even the least expensive motherboard (mobo) chipset will still blow your ears out if you have earbuds plugged into the 3.5mm audio output and the volume maxxed out.

The front and rear 3.5mm audio output is identical. It is sending a low-wattage audio signal to either your headphones or speakers. If you plugged your speakers into the front jack, you should have the same result as you do now with them plugged into the rear jack. The reason plugging headphones into the front jack disables the rear is because, by design, the mobo is designed to assume front-audio jacks take priority. The same actual holds true for home stereos, too. When I plug headphones into my Yamaha receiver, it disables the speaker outputs.

Just for giggles, try unplugging your speakers and plugging your earbuds directly into the audio jack on the rear of your PC and seeing if the volume remains too low. If it works in the rear jack but is still quiet in the front jack, it could be a loose mobo wire (the wire connecting the mobo chipset to the front port). It could still also be a software issue.

Make sure that you have gone into Control Panel and adjusted the audio settings. Check for any third-party software that may also affect the audio settings. Sometimes you can have the Volume cranked up, but the "WAV" volume is turned down, and so you get very little volume.

Also, if you have not already determined your sound card model, do so. For example, my previous Gigabyte mobo was the GA-P35-DS3R, which uses a Realtek ALC889A audio chipset. You may also have a seperate sound card, though this is less likely. You should determine your chipset or sound card model so that you can download the most updated drivers, which may include a hardware fix. Updated drivers also often contain better audio controls than the default windows controls.

Here is one of the two questions I had. From what I understand, the desktop speakers I have possess their own drivers...Chaay
This is actually unlikely. Most PC speakers simply amplify the audio output of your card. Unless they plug into a USB outlet or use your SPDIF output (which I do not believe they do in this instance), they are unlikely to have software drivers. If you provide your speaker model I can better assist.
I have my Xbox 360 plugged into the line-in port via an HD AV cable, and my speakers in that green audio port. So I think it's impossible for me to add 3.5mm headphones because I have no ports left, right?Chaay
Ideally we want to try to use that front-panel headphone output. This will give you access to a wider range of quality headphones, and you'll be able to use those headphones with more devices (e.g. your mp3 players, DS, etc.). If we cannot get your headphone jack working, depending on your budget we can either:

  1. Get a new sound card and install it inside your PC (likely no feasible since yours is on loan)
  2. Get a USB soundcard (easy, inexpensive)
  3. Get a USB headset (least desirable, typically low quality)

I have more feedback, but start with this, and come back with details. Honestly I'm hoping you'll be able to plug your headphones into the front jack, fiddle with the volume control settings, and get it working.

Happy gaming,

Boz

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Thank you again for your help, I so much appreciate it, and I just want to reply with something short and simple about the front jack, in case it avoids anything complicated. I went into the audio settings and noticed that the rear panel and microphone settings were turned down to about 25% volume. I turned them both up to 100%. I don't know what option the front headphone jack falls under, but everything is at 100% volume now. My earbuds broke a couple weeks back, but after turning the rear panel volume up, I did notice that my speakers become significantly louder when playing a video, so I think headphones will work fine. An issue that comes up about using the front jack though, is that I noticed when playing Xbox that it would only allow me to adjust volume with the computer controls. This means that instead of adjusting the volume slider on my speakers, I would have to swap back to the computer screen (remember I play Xbox on my comp monitor), mouse click on my volume slider, and manually adjust every time. I believe I would run into problems unless the headphones had its own volume controls.
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#10 Bozanimal
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I'm glad you're familiarizing yourself with the settings, and have gotten you volume controls, er, under control!

To follow-up, you are unlikely to be adjusting your volume frequently. I imagine you'll find a volume you're comfortable with and know where to set it before switching to your XBox. That said, if you do find you need on-the-fly volume control, and external control is cheap and easily available (like this girl I once dated).

If your headphones are broken, take a look in the sticky for whatever fits in your budget.

If you have any further questions, come on back. Helping is its own reward.

Happy gaming,

Boz

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#11 Chaay
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Thank you so much for solving my audio problem, Boz! I will now search for a pair of headphones to buy. I didn't even know those external volume sliders existed, I will most definitely pick one of those up too. One last question I had, that maybe could go as a recommendation for the sticky. Since I am living at the college, I will need the headphones to be relatively quiet. As in, there can't be too much noise escaping from the cans. I know I can't just blast the volume up, but this would mean that I should probably go for over-the-ear headphones, right? As opposed to on-ear, which I would think noise could escape more easily.
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#12 Bozanimal
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If you're concerned about your headphone's ambient noise you'll want a pair of over-the-ear, closed-back headphones. This means that many over-the-ear, open-back headphones like the popular Sennheiser HD555s are not an option for you.

I didn't really get into that level of detail in the sticky, so let me know your preferred budget and I'll come back with a couple recommendations. I would also suggest making a login at Head-Fi and posting the same request for suggestions in your budget range in this thread. Head-Fi regulars are headphone enthusiasts; I'm just a guy that knows too much about a lot of random consumer electronics stuff.

Happy gaming,

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My preferred budget range is $50-$100, closer to $50 if possible, but can go over triple digits if going under will sacrifice quality too much. If there are great closed-back headphones actually under $50, all the better. I will go check out Head-Fi right now as well. Edit: To add further detail, I have a roommate, so I definitely want to keep them in mind but also not have to sacrifice sound quality significantly if at all possible. So I can pay more if highly suggested, but my preferred budget is better for the time being.
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#14 Bozanimal
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Unless you have a gigantic head like I do I would strongly consider the JVC HARX900, which is about $60, closed-back, and sound fantastic. They do tend to be a tight fit and they're BIG, but are otherwise a very good value. Alternatively there are some Sony and Shure options available, but you'll have to chat up the Head-Fi folks for recommendations in your price range.

One thing I neglected to mention: Over-the-ear headphones will give you a sweaty head if you are prone to such things (most people are not). If so you might consider opting for a nice pair of earbuds.

Good luck!

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#15 Chaay
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Thank you for the suggestion, those do look nice and the price range is good. Sweatiness should not be a problem and I doubt earbuds would give me the quality I desire. So I finally will stop bothering you and will start researching to see if your suggestion meets my needs (sufficient bass, sound detection, etc.). Thank you so much again for all your help. I also posted on Head-Fi earlier as you suggested and will take their thoughts into consideration as well.